LascaillesShroud
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21.08.2014 - 18:04Rating: 9
Pale Communion is excellent to my ears, listened to it numerous times and can't wait for my pre-order to arrive. I really enjoyed Heritage and I enjoy this much more, a bit more modern but still with a lot of warmth and 'class' of the vintage prog it calls upon. Love it, in short
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Written by Desert Father on 21.08.2014 at 01:37
Not a fan of Mikael's new "dirty clean" vocals that he started using in Watershed, to me he now sounds quite one-dimensional.
That was what ruined this album, and made it sound generic, in my opinion.
Worse still clearly Mikael can sing like he did in Damnation, that is, with clean and soft vocals. That you can hear a snippet of the song Moon Above, Sun Below.
I wonder how this album would sound without much mellotrons and the singing style he used in Damnation.
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Erik M.
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21.08.2014 - 21:13Rating: 7
Written by [user id=124808] on 20.08.2014 at 19:14
The vocals are great... more organic
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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Written by Erik M. on 21.08.2014 at 21:13
Written by [user id=124808] on 20.08.2014 at 19:14
The vocals are great... more organic
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
vocals can sound organic, so I don't see any problem with him saying that they sound more organic than before.
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Written by Erik M. on 21.08.2014 at 21:13
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Check out Angela Gossow's vocals circa Doomsday Machine and you'll see exactly what he means.
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Erik M.
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21.08.2014 - 23:50Rating: 7
What the hell does "organic vocals" mean? What's the definition of "organic" in this context?
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Written by Erik M. on 21.08.2014 at 23:50
What the hell does "organic vocals" mean? What's the definition of "organic" in this context?
Same as organic sounding guitars, organic sounding ddrums, organic sound bass.
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Karlabos Meat and Potatos
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Written by Erik M. on 21.08.2014 at 23:50
What the hell does "organic vocals" mean? What's the definition of "organic" in this context?
It means that it's not a software who's singing, like Hatsune Miku
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Erik M.
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22.08.2014 - 00:08Rating: 7
Well, in that case I understand what it means in this context. I just never use words like "organic" and "plastic" when it comes to music.
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Written by Erik M. on 22.08.2014 at 00:08
I just never use words like "organic" and "plastic" when it comes to music.
So, it is clearly your problem then
You don't even use the word 'plastic' to describe the sound of a band such as Sabaton, for example?
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Erik is too busy thinking everything is atmospheric
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Written by [user id=4365] on 22.08.2014 at 00:17
Erik is too busy thinking everything is atmospheric
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Erik M.
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22.08.2014 - 00:24Rating: 7
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2014 at 00:13
So, it is clearly your problem then
You don't even use the word 'plastic' to describe the sound of a band such as Sabaton, for example?
Problem? I know the real definitions of those words, hence why I wouldn't easily use the words when I want to describe a certain band's sound.
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Erik M.
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22.08.2014 - 00:24Rating: 7
Written by [user id=4365] on 22.08.2014 at 00:17
Erik is too busy thinking everything is atmospheric
On the contrary. As you know, I make a clear distinction between non-atmospheric and atmospheric music.
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Written by Erik M. on 22.08.2014 at 00:24
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2014 at 00:13
So, it is clearly your problem then
You don't even use the word 'plastic' to describe the sound of a band such as Sabaton, for example?
Problem? I know the real definitions of those words, hence why I wouldn't easily use the words when I want to describe a certain band's sound.
Using organic the way we did is totally normal and is one of the maany real definitions of that word.
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Alex F Slick Dick Rick
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22.08.2014 - 01:15Rating: 6
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Written by Erik M. on 22.08.2014 at 00:24
Problem? I know the real definitions of those words, hence why I wouldn't easily use the words when I want to describe a certain band's sound.
Is it possible that the reason is because English isn't your first language? No offense, but it could explain why you contradict so many well established norms in rhetoric (in English that is)
Also sorry to bring this further off topic. Pale Communion is mediocrity at it's most mediocre. A bland, boring, stale album that has nothing interesting nor good to offer me. But then again I don't like Opeth....so that was to be expected
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Fallen Ghost Craft Beer Geek
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Hands down to one of, if not the most boring Opeth records I've listened to..
EDIT: At least the Japanese version doesn't look so bad.. It got Atonement and Demon Of The Fall on it
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Desert Father
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22.08.2014 - 02:05Rating: 9
^ It's probably got the acoustic version of Demon... that they play nowadays.
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It could have been much better if he sang well as it did in Damnation. I think Mikael simply fails when trying to reach high notes in a long vibrato.
You can also hear an instrument which exaggerates in his presence, it sounds like a mellotron, possibly a collaboration of Steven Wilson.
If better swinging the presence of that instrument and the 'good' Mikael vocals, the album would be different, no doubt.
At least they did what they wanted to do.
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Opethian
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22.08.2014 - 21:15Rating: 8
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.08.2014 at 23:27
Written by LeKiwi on 20.08.2014 at 23:21
What this album lacks in flare as found in Heritage, it makes up in refinement. As a whole, however, Heritage is the superior album.
Heritage flair?
That was a total recycle bin of 60s and 70s progrock.
lmao!
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♱ RaVeN ♱
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Written by seafood on 20.08.2014 at 13:12
Written by MaiSweettShaadow on 20.08.2014 at 11:06
Mikael´s vocals are awufl, he really lost his voice. He sounds like a drunk teenager singing, Sorry, I´m a Big fan of Opeth but this album is very bad. Even Heritage is better.
Interesting, I thought his vocals on this album were best do date (naturally, considering clear vocals only). Oh, people and their different opinions
His vocals aren't bad on every single song but if you listen to Elysian Woes for instance it's absolutely horrendous! I think his clean vocals on the other songs have been heavily edited to add effects so they sound half decent. But i would like to listen to him perform those songs live... now that would be challenging!
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Erik M.
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24.08.2014 - 00:12Rating: 7
Written by Alex F on 22.08.2014 at 01:15
Is it possible that the reason is because English isn't your first language? No offense, but it could explain why you contradict so many well established norms in rhetoric (in English that is)
Also sorry to bring this further off topic. Pale Communion is mediocrity at it's most mediocre. A bland, boring, stale album that has nothing interesting nor good to offer me. But then again I don't like Opeth....so that was to be expected
It's more a matter of not using certain words in a certain context (like in case of "organic" and "plastic"). I also think my English writing skills are way above average (for a Dutchman, that is). I also speak English quite a lot at work due to the majority of my colleagues being from lots of different countries from all over the world.
And to reply to your last sentence: this album and Heritage are very different from everything that came before them. Their whole discography is brilliant aside from these two albums, for me. They played a very unique style of progressive metal and really had their own sound, after all.
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Erik M.
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24.08.2014 - 00:21Rating: 7
Written by ♱ RaVeN ♱ on 23.08.2014 at 06:27
His vocals aren't bad on every single song but if you listen to Elysian Woes for instance it's absolutely horrendous! I think his clean vocals on the other songs have been heavily edited to add effects so they sound half decent. But i would like to listen to him perform those songs live... now that would be challenging!
Yeah, his vocals can sound pretty bad sometimes. But the last part of Elysian Woes is one of the best parts of the whole album. Very Watershed-like, which was their last great record for me.
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copycat
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27.08.2014 - 04:49Rating: 7
Written by metal2head on 26.08.2014 at 00:42
Very well written!
This album seems more interesting in terms of composition than Heritage
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metalody
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07.09.2014 - 14:03Rating: 10
This album is a masterpiece. Wonderful melodies, great songs. The 7.5 average rating is very unfair and not representative for its quality. Ok, it is not metal, so what? The inspiration flows non-stop in the veins of that guy. Well done, Mikael.
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crucifiedjesus
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26.09.2014 - 03:22Rating: 9
This should at the very least silence critics of Axenrot the drumming on this album is sublime
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Ace Frawley The Spaceman
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26.09.2014 - 05:12Rating: 8
Written by crucifiedjesus on 26.09.2014 at 03:22
This should at the very least silence critics of Axenrot the drumming on this album is sublime
Agree with that entirely. Absolutely love Axe's drumming on this album. And the recorded sound is really good too. Whole album is really the surprise of the year for me, because I wasn't expecting much.
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theembryo
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30.09.2014 - 05:49Rating: 8
River seems to be the tune I favor most, I very much enjoy the guitar in "Cusp Of Eternity" as well. I agree with a couple of folks mentioning hearing a few tracks live should prove intriguing. "Folklore" live I thought proved to be absolutely great. The North American tour with co-headliners In Flames shoud also be quite good, seeing how "Siren Charms" came out.....
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