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Release date: 19 October 2012
Style: Extreme power metal, Progressive folk metal

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Disc I
01. When Time Fades Away
02. Sons Of Winter And Stars
    1 - Rain Of Stars
    2 - Surrounded By Darkness
    3 - Journey Inside A Dream
    4 - Sons Of Winter And Stars
03. Land Of Snow And Sorrow
04. Darkness And Frost
05. Time
06. [hidden track] [Mediabook & Mailorder edition bonus]

Disc II [DVD] [Mediabook bonus]
+ Time I Live Rehearsals At Sonic Pump Studios
+ Licks & Tricks
+ Sons Of Winter And Stars - Project Demonstration
+ Photo Gallery

Disc III [instrumental CD] [Mailorder edition bonus]
01. When Time Fades Away
02. Sons Of Winter And Stars
    1 - Rain Of Stars
    2 - Surrounded By Darkness
    3 - Journey Inside A Dream
    4 - Sons Of Winter And Stars
03. Land Of Snow And Sorrow
04. Darkness And Frost
05. Time

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Line-up
Teemu Mäntysaari - guitars
Kai Hahto - drums
Jari Mäenpää - bass, guitars, keyboards, vocals
Jukka Koskinen - bass

Guest musicians
Sami Hinkka - choirs
Olli Vänskä - choirs
Mathias "Warlord" Nygård - choirs
Jukka-Pekka Miettinen - choirs
Mikko "Ilmarinen" Salovaara - choirs
Markus Toivonen - choirs
Heri Joensen - choirs
Alpha Valtias Mustatuuli - additional growling


Additional info

Release dates:
  • October 19: Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, Norway
  • October 22: North America, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, Portugal, Poland (+ all other European countries not mentioned in this list)
  • October 23: Italy
  • October 24: Sweden
Formats:
  • Limited Mediabook (hard cover, wide format) CD+DVD
  • Limited Mediabook (hard cover, wide format) CD+DVD + Instrumental CD of Time I, Certificate (limited to 500 copies, exclusively available at Nuclear Blast)
  • Limited Mediabook (hard cover, wide format) CD+DVD + Signed photo card Jari Mäenpää (limited to 1000 copies, exclusively available at Amazon.de)
  • Limited Mediabook (hard cover, wide format) CD+DVD + Wintersun logo shirt gray/black (exclusively available at Levykauppa Äx)
  • Limited Mediabook (hard cover, wide format) CD+DVD + Shirt (black) (EMP exclusive)
  • CD Jewel Case + Shirt (Nuclear Blast USA exclusive)
  • CD Jewel Case
  • Blue vinyl (180g vinyl in gatefold including poster)
  • White vinyl (180g vinyl in gatefold including poster. Strictly limited to 200 hand-numbered copies) (exclusive at Nuclear Blast mailorder)
  • Digital download
  • iTunes digital download with Time I booklet

Staff review by
Baz Anderson

Rating:
7.5
One of the most highly anticipated albums of the last decade; Time I finally ends the eight year silence, but was the wait worth it?

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wormdrink414 - 19.10.2012 at 00:40  
 
Written by Druss on 19.10.2012 at 00:31

Like has been said before, synth is way, WAY too heavily used...

Agree. The whole thing sounds like the cover looks.

Still play their first album every now and then, but definitely can't see myself choosing to listen to this again in the future... like, ever.
Valaskjalf - 19.10.2012 at 00:59  
Rating: 10 I bet this shit sounds awesome in good quality and with headphones on...oh and I dont know why everyone is complaining about the orchestrations. As far as I understand that was the point with this release and the more guitar driven songs will be on Time II. ie "The Way of the Fire" which in itself has one of the most ridiculous and long solos Ive heard - and that was in poor quality!
Maco - 19.10.2012 at 02:17  
  Finally for fuck sakes, this is awesome like the 2004 album
Vermoorden - 19.10.2012 at 02:52  
Rating: 10 Passes the 2004 release, easy. I nearly cried when I heard the first song kick in. Yes, I am a huge wintersun fanboy. But my expectations were through the roof, and its every bit as good as I was expecting
iMorphball - 19.10.2012 at 03:08  
Rating: 8 Lived up the hype, and I can understand why he needed so much RAM.
Wes - 19.10.2012 at 08:17  
Rating: 10
Written by Vermoorden on 19.10.2012 at 02:52

Passes the 2004 release, easy. I nearly cried when I heard the first song kick in. Yes, I am a huge wintersun fanboy. But my expectations were through the roof, and its every bit as good as I was expecting


I feel you man! I actually did cry upon hearing the first song (first song I heard was Time, right after Darkness and Frost), and many other times as well. I'm so happy it's finally here, or at least half of it. Truly beautiful music.
kaspair - 19.10.2012 at 09:14  
Rating: 10 Best music I've ever heard.
SOLEHOLE - 19.10.2012 at 09:27  
  Don't care what anyone thinks, this is just what I expected from Jari and friends. Great return for Win(ter)suN !!!!
Death - 19.10.2012 at 09:59  
Rating: 8
Written by wormdrink414 on 19.10.2012 at 00:40

Written by Druss on 19.10.2012 at 00:31

Like has been said before, synth is way, WAY too heavily used...

Agree. The whole thing sounds like the cover looks.

Still play their first album every now and then, but definitely can't see myself choosing to listen to this again in the future... like, ever.


This is only the first half of the album. I'm sure you'll give it another round when Time 2 is released.
PocketMetal - 19.10.2012 at 10:16  
Rating: 8
Written by opeth771 on 16.10.2012 at 00:50

This is probably the worst mixing I have heard in an album.... You can barely hear the guitars or drums because they are covered by the orchestrations.... Same thing when it comes to vocals...

I can't believe they even released something like this... It feels like an unfinished project...

That's a shame, because the album REALLY had potential and tons of great ideas.... With a better mix, it could have been the album of the year.



they wanted to pull-off an exact Diablo 3 , if you know what I mean .
beyondtehdarksun - 19.10.2012 at 10:19  
Rating: 10 Jari's compositions leave me awestruck - "Time I" makes Nightwish sound like playing MIDI files. Only the intro and the part where the blast beats kick in makes it worth listening.
StratoDan1990 - 19.10.2012 at 13:42  
Rating: 10 I don't care what people say about the Orchestrations, no other band sounds like this... the songs are all a fucking masterpiece. Could have done with being a whole album though.. never the less, I am stunned.
Sword_Chant - 19.10.2012 at 13:48  
Rating: 10 Agree with above.. it's a masterpeice of epic proportions.
Malaghost - 19.10.2012 at 14:12  
Rating: 7 Attack of phunboys ! Save yourself.
Warman - 19.10.2012 at 14:29  
Rating: 9
Written by Risto on 17.10.2012 at 22:29

Väinämöinen. At least it's an obvious thematical reference.

Yeah, I know. But that was not really what I was talking about.
Risto - 19.10.2012 at 14:41  
Rating: 7 I've never seen any album get 111 votes in 14 hours
Alex Fenger - 19.10.2012 at 15:39  
Rating: 3 Didn't live up to the hype, and the hype was not warranted. The debut was decent, this is just bad
sciacallo010 - 19.10.2012 at 15:53  
Rating: 10 Totally different genre than the debut, so, guys, avoid comparison.
Fucking amazing album!
Aw Yiss - 19.10.2012 at 15:59  
Rating: 10
Written by jester_race on 17.10.2012 at 08:32

Protectors of REAL metal....you and your metal-infused agitated genitals will hate this.


Well said sir, well said. There couldn't be a more accurate statement. Just look at all the criticism.
It saddens me, people's failure (or rather 'rejection') to understand that Wintersun's Time 1 is primarily a MUSIC album. It's not ought to be a compilation of solely amazing guitar solos, intensive blast beats and kickass riffs. Every bit of 'over-the-top' orchestration, choir, whatnot.. mean Wintersun has more to offer than just a metal band.
Risto - 19.10.2012 at 15:59  
Rating: 7
Written by sciacallo010 on 19.10.2012 at 15:53

Totally different genre than the debut, so, guys, avoid comparison.

Not really... all I'd do is add "symphonic".
Ellrohir - 19.10.2012 at 16:17  
 

i always fall asleep with the first tones of "Sons Of Winter And Stars" and i dont wake up earlier than in the middle of "Time"...this album is just plain dull...
Ozman - 19.10.2012 at 16:50  
 
Written by Guest on 19.10.2012 at 16:48

Anyone else who didn't get the Mailorder edition today? Nuclear Blast sent it on Wednesday... Wednesday? Well, 'luckily' I ordered another bundle from Finland and it did arrive on time.


Yes, so they sent it on Wednesday. You'll probably get it coming Tuesday.
I don't see anything weird with NB sending the stuff two days prior to release date.
Ozman - 19.10.2012 at 16:56  
 
Written by Guest on 19.10.2012 at 16:53

Written by Ozman on 19.10.2012 at 16:50

Yes, so they sent it on Wednesday. You'll probably get it coming Tuesday.
I don't see anything weird with NB sending the stuff two days prior to release date.

It should here now, on this very Friday, unless there's a new, disinformed and specific release date for the Mailorder edition.


release date means the day it will be sold by stores and is readily available from distros all over. It does not mean that when you pre-ordered it from the label it will arrive at your doorstep on that date, especially not when yoú live abroad. A lot of times the label only receives the finished product from the pressing plant a day before the release date.

And so what if it arrives tomorrow or next week.
Rulatore - 19.10.2012 at 17:34  
Rating: 7
Written by iMorphball on 19.10.2012 at 03:08

I can understand why he needed so much RAM.

Isn't every computer that handle that much of keyboard/orchestrations
Hooman - 19.10.2012 at 17:51  
Rating: 9 I'm happy to hear "when time fades away" in a metal album. Good album indeed.
Dargor - 19.10.2012 at 19:23  
  I never understood why this band was the source of so much drama. It took me a while to get into the first album and I admit I like it very much now. It is definitely my kind of music; A lot of choirs, epic moments, screams, 10+m long songs. Yeah, I dig that. So I really like Time 1.

But at the same time, I do not think it is the greatest album ever. It has its flaws (a LOT of it is overdone, overused, etc.) but its not a big pile of steaming poo either.

I think it is a good album. Period.
People should stop pissing and/or wanking so much on this band.
Erik M. - 19.10.2012 at 20:23  
 
Written by Ozman on 19.10.2012 at 16:56

And so what if it arrives tomorrow or next week.


I have to agree with this. What is 1 day or week compared to 8 years of waiting? I never understood people who want their stuff (music, games etc.) exactly on the release day and not a single day later.

Hell, I'm only buying this album when there's a combo pack of Time I and II available, which would be next year. Though I'll probably be listening to the songs on Youtube every now and then.
Dinruth - 19.10.2012 at 20:43  
 
Written by Dargor on 19.10.2012 at 19:23

I never understood why this band was the source of so much drama. It took me a while to get into the first album and I admit I like it very much now. It is definitely my kind of music; A lot of choirs, epic moments, screams, 10+m long songs. Yeah, I dig that. So I really like Time 1.

But at the same time, I do not think it is the greatest album ever. It has its flaws (a LOT of it is overdone, overused, etc.) but its not a big pile of steaming poo either.

I think it is a good album. Period.
People should stop pissing and/or wanking so much on this band.


In general I pretty much feel the same as you do .. but there's just one thing .. if people wanna hate on omething let em hate on something and if they praise it to the sky let em do so ... I really don't get the whole "fanboy" thing .. well if people like it (and I am one of these people) goo for them .. how is that being a fanboy?.. and if people don't like it, how does that make them "haters" .. just let people live with their opinions and stop giving eachother shit if we disagree with something ..
EmeraldSword - 19.10.2012 at 20:59  
Rating: 9 Heh.. I just hope next time they seriously upgrade Jari's studio with a top of the line recording studio to handle his multiple layered tracks of orchestration/synth, etc. He's a talented guy that deserves the proper resources/tech/equipment to pull off his compositions.

Interestingly enough, Jari reminds me of Arjen Anthony Lucassen. A renaissance man of metal. He blends many different styles into his own. He can vision how each different musical instrument harmonies together once added all up. He may not be the best person to get along with, and battles personal setbacks, but is still a musical genius.

Back on topic... I do like Time I. I just wish the album was mixed a bit longer to work out inconsistencies in production. Some of the tracks felt like they had abrupt endings with the exception of the first track which blends into the second song.
Wes - 19.10.2012 at 21:30  
Rating: 10 So many people against positive opinions of this band, it's a whole cliche of it own.

Still loving the album more than anything I've ever heard.
moe5512 - 19.10.2012 at 22:16  
Rating: 8 Very good songs, but god how overproduced! I really don't get why this album took 8+ years to make, Ensiferum's From Afar and Nightwish's 2 newest albums have at least as much orchestrations and their studio time was like 2-5 months. I also feel that Jari tried too hard to make it special. I'm talking about small stuff like weird rhythm shit and guitar work. He also said in a interview that he cries every time he hear the intro. I've heard much more epic intros even with less orchestrations. And only 3 (!) "real" songs. I've paid 20 € for 3 metal songs and 2 instrumental songs... overpriced maybe?

A lot of negative criticism but the songs are still great. I like the "folk metal veteran" choir in SoWaS
Erik M. - 19.10.2012 at 22:47  
 
Written by EmeraldSword on 19.10.2012 at 20:59

Heh.. I just hope next time they seriously upgrade Jari's studio with a top of the line recording studio to handle his multiple layered tracks of orchestration/synth, etc. He's a talented guy that deserves the proper resources/tech/equipment to pull off his compositions.

Interestingly enough, Jari reminds me of Arjen Anthony Lucassen. A renaissance man of metal. He blends many different styles into his own. He can vision how each different musical instrument harmonies together once added all up. He may not be the best person to get along with, and battles personal setbacks, but is still a musical genius.


I see what you mean about him reminding you of Arjen Lucassen, though Arjen is way more versatile than Jari, and, unlike Jari, he works with many different people. At least, for Ayreon he does. His other bands/projects are less extreme in that sense (like Star One or Stream Of Passion). To be honest I think Lucassen is an amazing musician (own every album except for the last one) who's already been into music for decades, but Jari has just made one great album (maybe two, but I haven't heard Time I yet) on his own (Ensiferum wasn't "his" band, Wintersun is). I recall reading Arjen had to sell his house in order to complete and produce his first Ayreon album... though I don't know if it's true.

Seeing as Wintersun is pretty popular in the Metal-world, I suppose Jari would earn enough money from Time I to get the proper equipment.
moe5512 - 19.10.2012 at 23:12  
Rating: 8
Written by Guest on 19.10.2012 at 22:39

Noise is overproduced. Or not. Is it? What? What's overproduced?

Things don't have to be EPIC in order to reach tears. It's an album; it could have been split into 100 tracks, would you be happy then? 100 songs! wohoo.

Imo It would sound better if he cut down on some orchestrations (from 500+ tracks in a song to 100). It's also weirdly mixed on some parts but it's hard to explain how.

Okay you're right about the EPIC!!! thingy but I'll put it like this: I wasn't touched by the intro. It sounded good but I don't think it was anything special. I also like it when it's EPIIIIIIIICCCCCCCC. All the teasers by Jari and NB gave me the idea that the whole albums is epic as hell. Which is not. not epic. at all. in my opinion.
essbee - 19.10.2012 at 23:41  
Rating: 5 After listening to it more and more, I find this pretty god damn average. I'll maybe end up giving it a 7 eventually.
Unhealer - 19.10.2012 at 23:55  
Rating: 6 The intro is a really effective build-up and SoWaS has some excellent moments in all it's lenght, very impressive track.
The rest of the album is meh.
Death_95 - 20.10.2012 at 00:19  
 
Written by Guest on 19.10.2012 at 22:39

Written by moe5512 on 19.10.2012 at 22:16

Very good songs, but god how overproduced! I really don't get why this album took 8+ years to make, Ensiferum's From Afar and Nightwish's 2 newest albums have at least as much orchestrations and their studio time was like 2-5 months. I also feel that Jari tried too hard to make it special. I'm talking about small stuff like weird rhythm shit and guitar work. He also said in a interview that he cries every time he hear the intro. I've heard much more epic intros even with less orchestrations. And only 3 (!) "real" songs. I've paid 20 € for 3 metal songs and 2 instrumental songs... overpriced maybe?

A lot of negative criticism but the songs are still great. I like the "folk metal veteran" choir in SoWaS

Noise is overproduced. Or not. Is it? What? What's overproduced? It's nothing. This wasn't made for eight years, and anyway Time I & II both took the time and kinda still do. Ensiferum and Nightwish were already big, and albums are not composed in a studio (well, I guess there are few weird exceptions). Things don't have to be EPIC in order to reach tears. It's an album; it could have been split into 100 tracks, would you be happy then? 100 songs! wohoo.

This might be a stupid question but I never really got what people mean by the 'overproduced' term? What does it mean?
Unhealer - 20.10.2012 at 00:40  
Rating: 6
Written by Death_95 on 20.10.2012 at 00:19

This might be a stupid question but I never really got what people mean by the 'overproduced' term? What does it mean?


Here you can give yourself an idea
It is a very arguable term, but in this case at least it has been used to refer to the high amount of layers on the songs of the album, mainly by the orchestra.
LordHypnos - 20.10.2012 at 01:14  
  Sons Of Winter And Stars is easily the best song in this album (or should I call it Demo? EP?). I think this album is a disappointment just because it only has 3 songs in it; that leaves me with almost no options.
LordHypnos - 20.10.2012 at 01:18  
  I'll only buy this album if they release a 2CD version, just like KOTSK pt1&2 from Helloween.
elseif - 20.10.2012 at 01:26  
Rating: 7 This album is good but feels a bit short with only 3 real songs.
Erik M. - 20.10.2012 at 01:44  
 
Written by LordHypnos on 20.10.2012 at 01:18

I'll only buy this album if they release a 2CD version, just like KOTSK pt1&2 from Helloween.


Yep, that's pretty much my idea as well. I'm not going to buy an incomplete album of only 40 minutes for the full price. However, I do own albums of 40 minutes (Reason from Officium Triste for example), but those are cheaper usually, and complete. The opposite would be Ayreon albums for example... I bought The Univerersal Migrator Vol. I & II for just 16 euro's, which are combined 2 hours and 15 minutes in length. Now that's your money worth.
LordHypnos - 20.10.2012 at 01:50  
 
Written by Erik M. on 20.10.2012 at 01:44

Written by LordHypnos on 20.10.2012 at 01:18

I'll only buy this album if they release a 2CD version, just like KOTSK pt1&2 from Helloween.


Yep, that's pretty much my idea as well. I'm not going to buy an incomplete album of only 40 minutes for the full price. However, I do own albums of 40 minutes (Reason from Officium Triste for example), but those are cheaper usually, and complete. The opposite would be Ayreon albums for example... I bought The Univerersal Migrator Vol. I & II for just 16 euro's, which are combined 2 hours and 15 minutes in length. Now that's your money worth.

And I'll only rate this album when I listen to part 2
Death_95 - 20.10.2012 at 03:50  
  'Land Of Snow And Sorrow' is one of the best songs I've ever heard! The album is a masterpiece.
basquetal - 20.10.2012 at 04:27  
  For people who are saying that this only has 3 musics, remember that this is only the first part of the album, yet lack the Time II.
R'Vannith - 20.10.2012 at 06:18  
Rating: 7
Written by Guest on 20.10.2012 at 00:23

Written by Death_95 on 20.10.2012 at 00:19

This might be a stupid question but I never really got what people mean by the 'overproduced' term? What does it mean?

It means nothing. Things are produced differently. There's no standard. There's no constant. It can't be over or under.

People might use it when they don't know how to describe something.

'There's too much of something I can't describe!'


Though there may be no standard in production values saying something is "over" or "under" -produced is perfectly valid. This album is a prime example of overproduction, which is inevitable really considering their notability and the amount of time they spent on this album.
The overproduction really inhibits the music for me, while I really find the band's style nothing exceptionally enjoyable in the first place (their debut was pretty good) the songwriting feels bloated. At moments it sounds like having two film soundtracks playing at the same time as a metal album.

It's not a matter of having "too much of something I can't describe!" It's just a matter of having too much, whether you can describe it or not is irrelevant.
And it is amazing really considering how simplistic this band's style is how they manage to make it sound as top heavy as it is.

What really amazes me though is how so many seem to lap this up.. their sound really doesn't grab me in any special way, I guess I'm just ignorant of their magnificence.
Death - 20.10.2012 at 08:49  
Rating: 8
Written by R'Vannith on 20.10.2012 at 06:18

The overproduction really inhibits the music for me, while I really find the band's style nothing exceptionally enjoyable in the first place (their debut was pretty good) the songwriting feels bloated.


Overproduction inhibits the music? The music here IS the "overproduced", "bloated" version (as you describe Time I).

Take these, we would be listening to a non-orchestrated demo.
R'Vannith - 20.10.2012 at 11:33  
Rating: 7
Written by Death on 20.10.2012 at 08:49

Written by R'Vannith on 20.10.2012 at 06:18

The overproduction really inhibits the music for me, while I really find the band's style nothing exceptionally enjoyable in the first place (their debut was pretty good) the songwriting feels bloated.


Overproduction inhibits the music? The music here IS the "overproduced", "bloated" version (as you describe Time I).

Take these, we would be listening to a non-orchestrated demo.


I'm not sure of your point, you just seem to restate my own opinion. I said that this album sounds overproduced and bloated, which inhibits the music. That's how I describe the music, the overproduced and bloated nature of it is inherent.

If this were not overproduced I would likely have a more positive opinion, a great deal of this sounds completely unnecessary and over-the-top for it's musical basis, which is a fairly standard but well performed melodic death/extreme power (however you would like to define it).

To put it simply it's glossing over (i.e. vamping up the production job by stuffing it to the brim with orchestral/symphonic elements) something which really isn't all that spectacular, a plodding and simplistic melodic metal line. Granted it is certainly catchy at points, but these points are really lost in a sea of unnecessary layers. All the added elements simply stretches out a melodic metal style that makes it overbearingly tedious for me to listen to for the most part.
Dave Cerdo - 20.10.2012 at 11:49  
Rating: 5 The three songs of the album are very good but the sound of the drums, specially the snare and the hi-hat?????, is awful; and orchestrations are horribly mixed, imo. Too 'noisy' for me. Too high.
Their first album is faaaaaaar better.
Suisaidfet - 20.10.2012 at 12:05  
  Maybe its more like Symphonic Extreme Metal.. Anyway i love this album so much.. Everything is awesome.. except the mixing and the short length.. I think it will be perfection if they remixing and adds more song into this album.. cant wait for Time II
Zaphod - 20.10.2012 at 12:27  
Rating: 7
Written by basquetal on 20.10.2012 at 04:27

For people who are saying that this only has 3 musics, remember that this is only the first part of the album, yet lack the Time II.

Everyone knows that. The problem is that we're paying for a full album. So as has been mentioned before on this thread, I will also buy it when both parts are released in one volume.

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