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Written by RA on 19.10.2012 at 22:39
Noise is overproduced. Or not. Is it? What? What's overproduced?
Things don't have to be EPIC in order to reach tears. It's an album; it could have been split into 100 tracks, would you be happy then? 100 songs! wohoo.
Imo It would sound better if he cut down on some orchestrations (from 500+ tracks in a song to 100). It's also weirdly mixed on some parts but it's hard to explain how.
Okay you're right about the EPIC!!! thingy but I'll put it like this: I wasn't touched by the intro. It sounded good but I don't think it was anything special. I also like it when it's EPIIIIIIIICCCCCCCC. All the teasers by Jari and NB gave me the idea that the whole albums is epic as hell. Which is not. not epic. at all. in my opinion.
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 RA - 19.10.2012 at 23:20
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Written by moe5512 on 19.10.2012 at 23:12
Imo It would sound better if he cut down on some orchestrations (from 500+ tracks in a song to 100). It's also weirdly mixed on some parts but it's hard to explain how.
Okay you're right about the EPIC!!! thingy but I'll put it like this: I wasn't touched by the intro. It sounded good but I don't think it was anything special. I also like it when it's EPIIIIIIIICCCCCCCC. All the teasers by Jari and NB gave me the idea that the whole albums is epic as hell. Which is not. not epic. at all. in my opinion.
Now I understand (I just dislike use of terms which don't mean anything). More space, less mixing board tracks for orchestrations, keeping it simple. Well about the 'intro'; most likely it's the main melodies progressing, springing to life, what's the thing in it, and if you add the expectations of what's to come during the 'Time journey', it's easy to understand, at least for me, how it could be a fragile moment for the composer.
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After listening to it more and more, I find this pretty god damn average. I'll maybe end up giving it a 7 eventually.
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The intro is a really effective build-up and SoWaS has some excellent moments in all it's lenght, very impressive track.
The rest of the album is meh.
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Written by RA on 19.10.2012 at 22:39
Written by moe5512 on 19.10.2012 at 22:16
Very good songs, but god how overproduced! I really don't get why this album took 8+ years to make, Ensiferum's From Afar and Nightwish's 2 newest albums have at least as much orchestrations and their studio time was like 2-5 months. I also feel that Jari tried too hard to make it special. I'm talking about small stuff like weird rhythm shit and guitar work. He also said in a interview that he cries every time he hear the intro. I've heard much more epic intros even with less orchestrations. And only 3 (!) "real" songs. I've paid 20 € for 3 metal songs and 2 instrumental songs...  overpriced maybe?
A lot of negative criticism but the songs are still great. I like the "folk metal veteran" choir in SoWaS 
Noise is overproduced. Or not. Is it? What? What's overproduced? It's nothing. This wasn't made for eight years, and anyway Time I & II both took the time and kinda still do. Ensiferum and Nightwish were already big, and albums are not composed in a studio (well, I guess there are few weird exceptions). Things don't have to be EPIC in order to reach tears. It's an album; it could have been split into 100 tracks, would you be happy then? 100 songs! wohoo.
This might be a stupid question but I never really got what people mean by the 'overproduced' term? What does it mean?
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RA - 20.10.2012 at 00:23
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Written by Death_95 on 20.10.2012 at 00:19
This might be a stupid question but I never really got what people mean by the 'overproduced' term? What does it mean?
It means nothing. Things are produced differently. There's no standard. There's no constant. It can't be over or under.
People might use it when they don't know how to describe something.
'There's too much of something I can't describe!'
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Written by Death_95 on 20.10.2012 at 00:19
This might be a stupid question but I never really got what people mean by the 'overproduced' term? What does it mean?
Here you can give yourself an idea
It is a very arguable term, but in this case at least it has been used to refer to the high amount of layers on the songs of the album, mainly by the orchestra.
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Sons Of Winter And Stars is easily the best song in this album (or should I call it Demo? EP?). I think this album is a disappointment just because it only has 3 songs in it; that leaves me with almost no options.
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I'll only buy this album if they release a 2CD version, just like KOTSK pt1&2 from Helloween.
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This album is good but feels a bit short with only 3 real songs.
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Written by LordHypnos on 20.10.2012 at 01:18
I'll only buy this album if they release a 2CD version, just like KOTSK pt1&2 from Helloween.
Yep, that's pretty much my idea as well. I'm not going to buy an incomplete album of only 40 minutes for the full price. However, I do own albums of 40 minutes (Reason from Officium Triste for example), but those are cheaper usually, and complete. The opposite would be Ayreon albums for example... I bought The Univerersal Migrator Vol. I & II for just 16 euro's, which are combined 2 hours and 15 minutes in length. Now that's your money worth.
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Written by E.Mols86 on 20.10.2012 at 01:44
Written by LordHypnos on 20.10.2012 at 01:18
I'll only buy this album if they release a 2CD version, just like KOTSK pt1&2 from Helloween.
Yep, that's pretty much my idea as well. I'm not going to buy an incomplete album of only 40 minutes for the full price. However, I do own albums of 40 minutes (Reason from Officium Triste for example), but those are cheaper usually, and complete. The opposite would be Ayreon albums for example... I bought The Univerersal Migrator Vol. I & II for just 16 euro's, which are combined 2 hours and 15 minutes in length. Now that's your money worth.
And I'll only rate this album when I listen to part 2
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| Rating: 10 |
'Land Of Snow And Sorrow' is one of the best songs I've ever heard! The album is a masterpiece.
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For people who are saying that this only has 3 musics, remember that this is only the first part of the album, yet lack the Time II.
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Written by RA on 20.10.2012 at 00:23
Written by Death_95 on 20.10.2012 at 00:19
This might be a stupid question but I never really got what people mean by the 'overproduced' term? What does it mean?
It means nothing. Things are produced differently. There's no standard. There's no constant. It can't be over or under.
People might use it when they don't know how to describe something.
'There's too much of something I can't describe!'
Though there may be no standard in production values saying something is "over" or "under" -produced is perfectly valid. This album is a prime example of overproduction, which is inevitable really considering their notability and the amount of time they spent on this album.
The overproduction really inhibits the music for me, while I really find the band's style nothing exceptionally enjoyable in the first place (their debut was pretty good) the songwriting feels bloated. At moments it sounds like having two film soundtracks playing at the same time as a metal album.
It's not a matter of having "too much of something I can't describe!" It's just a matter of having too much, whether you can describe it or not is irrelevant.
And it is amazing really considering how simplistic this band's style is how they manage to make it sound as top heavy as it is.
What really amazes me though is how so many seem to lap this up.. their sound really doesn't grab me in any special way, I guess I'm just ignorant of their magnificence.
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Death - 20.10.2012 at 08:49
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Written by R'Vannith on 20.10.2012 at 06:18
The overproduction really inhibits the music for me, while I really find the band's style nothing exceptionally enjoyable in the first place (their debut was pretty good) the songwriting feels bloated.
Overproduction inhibits the music? The music here IS the "overproduced", "bloated" version (as you describe Time I).
Take these, we would be listening to a non-orchestrated demo.
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Written by Death on 20.10.2012 at 08:49
Written by R'Vannith on 20.10.2012 at 06:18
The overproduction really inhibits the music for me, while I really find the band's style nothing exceptionally enjoyable in the first place (their debut was pretty good) the songwriting feels bloated.
Overproduction inhibits the music? The music here IS the "overproduced", "bloated" version (as you describe Time I).
Take these, we would be listening to a non-orchestrated demo.
I'm not sure of your point, you just seem to restate my own opinion. I said that this album sounds overproduced and bloated, which inhibits the music. That's how I describe the music, the overproduced and bloated nature of it is inherent.
If this were not overproduced I would likely have a more positive opinion, a great deal of this sounds completely unnecessary and over-the-top for it's musical basis, which is a fairly standard but well performed melodic death/extreme power (however you would like to define it).
To put it simply it's glossing over (i.e. vamping up the production job by stuffing it to the brim with orchestral/symphonic elements) something which really isn't all that spectacular, a plodding and simplistic melodic metal line. Granted it is certainly catchy at points, but these points are really lost in a sea of unnecessary layers. All the added elements simply stretches out a melodic metal style that makes it overbearingly tedious for me to listen to for the most part.
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The three songs of the album  are very good but the sound of the drums, specially the snare and the hi-hat?????, is awful; and orchestrations are horribly mixed, imo. Too 'noisy' for me. Too high.
Their first album is faaaaaaar better.
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Maybe its more like Symphonic Extreme Metal.. Anyway i love this album so much.. Everything is awesome.. except the mixing and the short length.. I think it will be perfection if they remixing and adds more song into this album.. cant wait for Time II
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Written by basquetal on 20.10.2012 at 04:27
For people who are saying that this only has 3 musics, remember that this is only the first part of the album, yet lack the Time II.
Everyone knows that. The problem is that we're paying for a full album. So as has been mentioned before on this thread, I will also buy it when both parts are released in one volume.
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Ruin - 20.10.2012 at 14:00
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This is nothing compared to their first album.Nothing.
They should have waited one more year and release a full length Time.
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Written by basquetal on 20.10.2012 at 04:27
For people who are saying that this only has 3 musics, remember that this is only the first part of the album, yet lack the Time II.
Which is exactly why I'm not going to buy this album until there's a 2CD-pack of Time I & II.
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Did anybody notice that this album has fewer blast beats in comparison to the debut?
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Rhaz - 20.10.2012 at 16:30
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I was prepared to be greatly disappointed, but gotta admit I really liked it and I'm excited to see them live for the first time in 2 weeks !
however, I would have preferred a full release even though SoWaS and Time are decently long tracks
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RA - 20.10.2012 at 16:40
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Written by R'Vannith on 20.10.2012 at 06:18
Though there may be no standard in production values saying something is "over" or "under" -produced is perfectly valid. This album is a prime example of overproduction, which is inevitable really considering their notability and the amount of time they spent on this album.
The overproduction really inhibits the music for me, while I really find the band's style nothing exceptionally enjoyable in the first place (their debut was pretty good) the songwriting feels bloated. At moments it sounds like having two film soundtracks playing at the same time as a metal album.
It's not a matter of having "too much of something I can't describe!" It's just a matter of having too much, whether you can describe it or not is irrelevant.
And it is amazing really considering how simplistic this band's style is how they manage to make it sound as top heavy as it is.
What really amazes me though is how so many seem to lap this up.. their sound really doesn't grab me in any special way, I guess I'm just ignorant of their magnificence.
I disagree. My points remain the same.
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Written by LordHypnos on 20.10.2012 at 16:10
Did anybody notice that this album has fewer blast beats in comparison to the debut?
Jari said in an interview some years ago something like this: "Last album was maybe 60% fast-40% slow. TIme will be 60% slow and 40% fast"
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Written by moe5512 on 20.10.2012 at 17:13
Written by LordHypnos on 20.10.2012 at 16:10
Did anybody notice that this album has fewer blast beats in comparison to the debut?
Jari said in an interview some years ago something like this: "Last album was maybe 60% fast-40% slow. TIme will be 60% slow and 40% fast"
Oh, I see.
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40% Blind Guardian + 40% Rhapsody + 20% symphonic metal standards = BOREDOM
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I don't understand that so many people claim that there are only three songs .. why? just because the other two are instrumental? do none of you appreciate classical or baroque music? almost everything from that epoque is instrumental..
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Edge of Sanity's "Crimson" album lasts also for only 40 minutes, contains only 1 song in which several parts are repeated 2 or 3 times and nobody seemed to complain so much about it
"Time I" is definitely the best release of 2012 for me ! Thank you Jari 
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RA - 20.10.2012 at 19:14
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In case someone owns the regular edition (the non-Mediabook edition), could you guys report how many tracks there are? Five or six?
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Written by Dinruth on 20.10.2012 at 18:54
I don't understand that so many people claim that there are only three songs .. why? just because the other two are instrumental? do none of you appreciate classical or baroque music? almost everything from that epoque is instrumental..
Well, the first song is an average/poor typical intro and Darkness and Frost is... just for fill another 2 minutes. Two boring minutes. Reminds me a lot to Angtoria's The Awakening. And of course, this is nothing classical or baroque
And truly, the first song could easyly be part of SoWaS (I think that really it is); and the fourth part of Time. Soooooo three songs! 
Written by Sojgenske on 20.10.2012 at 19:14
Edge of Sanity's "Crimson" album lasts also for only 40 minutes, contains only 1 song in which several parts are repeated 2 or 3 times and nobody seemed to complain so much about it
"Time I" is definitely the best release of 2012 for me ! Thank you Jari .
Crimson is much more elaborated music than this. And where could we find a song that is not repeated at least two, three or four times? 98% of the songs are built this way. intro, verse, bridge, chorus, verse, chorus.... bla bla. Mix it thosand ways and you build a song 
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Now it made its way to top albums all time...my gosh...where this ends?
anxiously waiting for the staff review
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RA - 20.10.2012 at 20:36
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Written by Ellrohir on 20.10.2012 at 20:30
where this ends?
Probably the next step is that it'll haunt you in your dreams.
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Written by Sojgenske on 20.10.2012 at 19:14
Edge of Sanity's "Crimson" album lasts also for only 40 minutes, contains only 1 song in which several parts are repeated 2 or 3 times and nobody seemed to complain so much about it
"Time I" is definitely the best release of 2012 for me ! Thank you Jari
Yes but Crimson I is an unmitigated masterpiece, whereas this is mush and fluff at best
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Array is defending this as if it was his mother who made it
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Incindentally any album can be under or overproduced. Both are valid terms that carry well-recognised connotations. There are indeed standards and constants in each field of music.
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RA - 20.10.2012 at 21:38
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Yea whatever
<- You go | I go ->
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It's not really a case of that though. I don't understand why suddenly two very descriptive and relatively specific terms have suddenly lost all their value.
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 20.10.2012 at 21:42
It's not really a case of that though. I don't understand why suddenly two very descriptive and relatively specific terms have suddenly lost all their value.
Because it's an album he "loves" that your bashing, if it were anywhere else it would still be a valid way of describing sound.
Also, I still need to hear this.
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| Rating: 9 |
The intro into Songs of Winters and Stars was hugely promising, but the rest of the album then became little disappointing. AND only 40 minutes long. For now I am rating it 8/10.
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The only people who complains about this album are just jealous fanboys who are pissed that their favorite band isn't ranked first in charts!
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Written by Ahmed Mohamed A on 20.10.2012 at 21:48
The only people who complains about this album are just jealous fanboys who are pissed that their favorite band isn't ranked first in charts!
^Pure logic right there. Makes perfect sense.
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really?
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Logic.
I can't find it here. Whether it comes from reasons to why people don't like it or some weird explanation about a "meaningless" word that is actually perfectly valid to say when it comes to describing music. Language revisionism is a funny thing
Oh well... I'll search for logic in another thread.
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RA - 20.10.2012 at 21:56
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Written by BoxCar Willy on 20.10.2012 at 21:45
Because it's an album he "loves" that your bashing, if it were anywhere else it would still be a valid way of describing sound.
These are not my thoughts nor they are true.
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Written by BoxCar Willy on 20.10.2012 at 21:45
Also, I still need to hear this.
You'll hate it, but you probably already knew that 
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I'm not a Wintersun fan (but I might pick up their first album when I see it for €5 or less), but I love reading this topic.
Also a funny thing: I noticed people acting all pretentious and such about this album. But if the music is so deep, why do so many people rate it 10 as soon as they are able to? Ah well, maybe those people are just way more intelligent than I am
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 20.10.2012 at 18:09
40% Blind Guardian + 40% Rhapsody + 20% symphonic metal standards = BOREDOM
I would actually dig that.
Written by Ahmed Mohamed A on 20.10.2012 at 21:48
The only people who complains about this album are just jealous fanboys who are pissed that their favorite band isn't ranked first in charts!
If there's one thing I've learned from the charts on this website, it would be that it makes people behave like morons like voting down albums that threaten albums they like. People tend to take that list too seriously. And you don't seem to be so careless about it either...
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Just tryd it I was expected it to be like this, I dont remeber 1th album so well, I listened it beck in those days , but this was OK,
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Absolutley loved the album Jari's clean vocals are so much better than on wintersun, shame they didnt adopt the heavier approach i was looking forward too. However they've done an awesome job nonetheless the album grew on me so much especially Sons of Snow and Stars
loved it
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