Written by Alex F on 13.06.2013 at 06:19

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 04:47

So yes, the amount of Summoning Fan boys here is too damn high.

A statement more true has never been spoken

Considering you two guys are obvious Deafheaven fanboys, I think you understand then.

I like where this is going.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 04:47

Written by Erik M. on 12.06.2013 at 19:10

Written by Boxcar Willy on 12.06.2013 at 01:48

Severely overrated, way too damn long.

How so? Simply because you don't like it a lot isn't a valid reason. If you're not into a certain subgenre, then don't judge it.

On a side note, it just came in as #1 in the top 200 albums of all time. Although it's not going to be #1 for long I suppose.

You're assuming that I don't listen to atmospheric black metal.

This is overrated in the same way Time 1 was, and how Necrophagists will be. When a band releases a good album, and then doesn't follow it up for a long period of time, they create hype. Time 1 is the perfect example of this, it had a 9.4 with +100 for the first two weeks, then people realized that it was another boring, over produced pile, and started to rate it reasonably. It now has an 8.5 or thereabouts.

So yes, the amount of Summoning Fan boys here is too damn high.

Owh really? I think its a problem with your tastes and not with other people. TIme 1 was a little bit weak, but Necrophagists? I would've taken you seriously if not for this. The album is incredible and it deserves the rating. It might be a little bit high, but if we look at what was released this year for every genre, this one tops pretty much everything up to this point.

And whats with the fan boy thinking? When an album is good and it is rated high because it is good, that means that it has a lot of fan boys? Seriously, you should vent your frustration, its not really healthy...

Currently 18th greatest metal album of all time. I think anyone with a bit of reason can see that that's certainly pretty overrated, especially seeing as Summoning have better albums in their discog. It's definitely far too long as well. This is a worthy 7.5.

Let´s just ignore the rating and enjoy the music shall we?

You definitely may call me fanboy for the fact that I bought both a limited deluxe box set edition of this album as well as colored double-LP edition.
As for the music on this album. I must confess, I didn't know that I missed Summoning's music this much. Probably that's why my opinion is a bit biased but I don't care. I like this album very much.

Written by ManiacBlasphemer on 13.06.2013 at 13:01

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 04:47

You're assuming that I don't listen to atmospheric black metal.

This is overrated in the same way Time 1 was, and how Necrophagists will be. When a band releases a good album, and then doesn't follow it up for a long period of time, they create hype. Time 1 is the perfect example of this, it had a 9.4 with +100 for the first two weeks, then people realized that it was another boring, over produced pile, and started to rate it reasonably. It now has an 8.5 or thereabouts.

So yes, the amount of Summoning Fan boys here is too damn high.

Owh really? I think its a problem with your tastes and not with other people. TIme 1 was a little bit weak, but Necrophagists? I would've taken you seriously if not for this. The album is incredible and it deserves the rating. It might be a little bit high, but if we look at what was released this year for every genre, this one tops pretty much everything up to this point.

And whats with the fan boy thinking? When an album is good and it is rated high because it is good, that means that it has a lot of fan boys? Seriously, you should vent your frustration, its not really healthy...

You're funny, and you need to learn how to read. I said when Necrophagist finally releases their third. You're also assuming I'm frustrated, which I'm not, I just find this hilarious, especially when people like you come here and say that it's not overrated while you give a 10 and get all defensive when people say it's not that amazing. That's totally not a fan boy by any means /sarcasm.

This hasn't even been out a month and people are calling it the best metal album of all time.

Really?

I mean really.

You also lost this battle when you tried to say my taste is wrong, which is somethign i really don't feel like getting into.
Good day.

Written by Silent Creeper on 13.06.2013 at 10:30

Written by Alex F on 13.06.2013 at 06:19

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 04:47

So yes, the amount of Summoning Fan boys here is too damn high.

A statement more true has never been spoken

Considering you two guys are obvious Deafheaven fanboys, I think you understand then.

True enough, wouldn't call myself a fan boy though, I rate their albums fairly, and I know they have flaws etc.

Written by Silent Creeper on 13.06.2013 at 10:30

Considering you two guys are obvious Deafheaven fanboys, I think you understand then.

I gave their latest a 7.8, and if anything that rating will go down.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 20:09

Written by Silent Creeper on 13.06.2013 at 10:30

Written by Alex F on 13.06.2013 at 06:19

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 04:47

So yes, the amount of Summoning Fan boys here is too damn high.

A statement more true has never been spoken

Considering you two guys are obvious Deafheaven fanboys, I think you understand then.

True enough, wouldn't call myself a fan boy though, I rate their albums fairly, and I know they have flaws etc.

I believe what you are saying. That just confirms that the perception of "who really is fanboy", is quite subjective. I also think that I rate albums by Summoning (for example) quite fairly, but on the other hand I understand if other people see me as "Summoning fanboy".

Written by Alex F on 13.06.2013 at 20:16

Written by Silent Creeper on 13.06.2013 at 10:30

Considering you two guys are obvious Deafheaven fanboys, I think you understand then.

I gave their latest a 7.8, and if anything that rating will go down.

I see that now, therefore I withdraw my previous statement.

Written by Silent Creeper on 13.06.2013 at 20:35

I see that now, therefore I withdraw my previous statement.

Thank you for that. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, I guess I'm just a bit dumbfounded as to how this album could get such an immense amount of praise (on MS at least) and still seem so ordinary to me. Don't get me wrong, it's a good album, just not as incredible to my ears as everyone else seems to think. Oh well, I guess Tanner (boxcar) and I are in the minority on our opinions.

Written by Dinruth on 13.06.2013 at 00:13

Two more people that gave it a one .. those two right after it got into the top 200 ... really guys?

Since the people here seem to be so bothered by ratings, instead of nitpicking the low ones you should take notice of the following too:

http://www.metalstorm.net/users/koenig/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/Arthurwarrior/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/lordiscariah/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/cynthykitty/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/sonnometal/profile

Those are only a few examples. Literally, over 40 of the 10/10 ratings were made by false accounts. Also, look at the registration date; almost all of them (or in the case of this example all 5 of them) range between October 17th and 30th, 2012.

Written by Nightfall on 13.06.2013 at 21:19

Since the people here seem to be so bothered by ratings, instead of nitpicking the low ones you should take notice of the following too:

I always found funny how people make fake accounts just to get their bands up in the ranking, but still some of them give random 9 and 8 scores for some albums It's like they had a momentary lapse of guilt.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 20:07

Written by ManiacBlasphemer on 13.06.2013 at 13:01

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 04:47

You're assuming that I don't listen to atmospheric black metal.

This is overrated in the same way Time 1 was, and how Necrophagists will be. When a band releases a good album, and then doesn't follow it up for a long period of time, they create hype. Time 1 is the perfect example of this, it had a 9.4 with +100 for the first two weeks, then people realized that it was another boring, over produced pile, and started to rate it reasonably. It now has an 8.5 or thereabouts.

So yes, the amount of Summoning Fan boys here is too damn high.

Owh really? I think its a problem with your tastes and not with other people. TIme 1 was a little bit weak, but Necrophagists? I would've taken you seriously if not for this. The album is incredible and it deserves the rating. It might be a little bit high, but if we look at what was released this year for every genre, this one tops pretty much everything up to this point.

And whats with the fan boy thinking? When an album is good and it is rated high because it is good, that means that it has a lot of fan boys? Seriously, you should vent your frustration, its not really healthy...

You're funny, and you need to learn how to read. I said when Necrophagist finally releases their third. You're also assuming I'm frustrated, which I'm not, I just find this hilarious, especially when people like you come here and say that it's not overrated while you give a 10 and get all defensive when people say it's not that amazing. That's totally not a fan boy by any means /sarcasm.

This hasn't even been out a month and people are calling it the best metal album of all time.

Really?

I mean really.

You also lost this battle when you tried to say my taste is wrong, which is somethign i really don't feel like getting into.
Good day.

I give it a 10 because I like it and I don't find anything wrong with it. Would you rate an album you like 6 just because other people said that they don't like it or that they think that it's "moraly incorrect" to rate it high? The fact that I like the album means I am a fan boy? Wow, great logic over there, too bad its overshadowed by your own frustration. If you do not like the album its ok, if you think its overrated, I'm fine with it, but when you start crying that other people don't have the same tastes like you and somehow they like this album, then the problem does not lie with those people.

I did not get defensive because you thought this album sucks, I got defensive because you started badmouthing people that actually like this album rated it accordingly. I got defensive because, instead of complying with the rating as it is (not saying that this album is the best ever, because it is not) you start bitching about "fan boys". I never said this album is the best ever, I said it is the best record released in 2013 up to this point IMO! And yeah, I do have the right to express my opinion. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, that's none of my concern.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 13.06.2013 at 04:47

You're assuming that I don't listen to atmospheric black metal.

This is overrated in the same way Time 1 was, and how Necrophagists will be. When a band releases a good album, and then doesn't follow it up for a long period of time, they create hype. Time 1 is the perfect example of this, it had a 9.4 with +100 for the first two weeks, then people realized that it was another boring, over produced pile, and started to rate it reasonably. It now has an 8.5 or thereabouts.

So yes, the amount of Summoning Fan boys here is too damn high.

Actually, I know for a fact that it's one of your favourite subgenres. However, bands like Summoning and Caladan Brood are TOTALLY different from for example WITTR (I actually agree completely with you on their second album, since I saw you also gave it a 9), those being the more (overly) epic, fantasy-influenced bands that you either love or hate (it seems). I love it, you don't... fine with me, but if you dislike most (or all) albums a certain band has released, then the music just isn't for you.

However, calling this the best album of all time is ridiculous though. It's my favourite of this year though. And yes, you're right... there are many Summoning fanboys here, but it's not surprising seeing as this album has kept people waiting for many years, so that indeed makes a big difference I guess.

Written by ManiacBlasphemer on 13.06.2013 at 21:45

I give it a 10 because I like it and I don't find anything wrong with it. Would you rate an album you like 6 just because other people said that they don't like it or that they think that it's "moraly incorrect" to rate it high? The fact that I like the album means I am a fan boy? Wow, great logic over there, too bad its overshadowed by your own frustration. If you do not like the album its ok, if you think its overrated, I'm fine with it, but when you start crying that other people don't have the same tastes like you and somehow they like this album, then the problem does not lie with those people.

I did not get defensive because you thought this album sucks, I got defensive because you started badmouthing people that actually like this album rated it accordingly. I got defensive because, instead of complying with the rating as it is (not saying that this album is the best ever, because it is not) you start bitching about "fan boys". I never said this album is the best ever, I said it is the best record released in 2013 up to this point IMO! And yeah, I do have the right to express my opinion. Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, that's none of my concern.

Again, you need to learn to read. I'm not going to continue this, because frankly I don't give a rat's ass, so once more, I say, good day.

Written by Nightfall on 13.06.2013 at 21:19

Written by Dinruth on 13.06.2013 at 00:13

Two more people that gave it a one .. those two right after it got into the top 200 ... really guys?

Since the people here seem to be so bothered by ratings, instead of nitpicking the low ones you should take notice of the following too:

http://www.metalstorm.net/users/koenig/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/Arthurwarrior/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/lordiscariah/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/cynthykitty/profile
http://www.metalstorm.net/users/sonnometal/profile

Those are only a few examples. Literally, over 40 of the 10/10 ratings were made by false accounts. Also, look at the registration date; almost all of them (or in the case of this example all 5 of them) range between October 17th and 30th, 2012.

That is just as retarded as giving it a 1 for downrating it .. I just don't understand people like that

Indeed, I've seen people complaining about a handful of low ratings but the hype and the praises around this album are much more excessive - if not absurd.
Anyway, a fairly solid work but overlong and nothing really new or even so special; their best is still Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame imo.
A rounded up 6,5.

All pleasant and goodsy, I found it to be.
The insane hype tho' I fail to see.
'verall worth one or two a glee.
BOOBS
>:[

Written by God Alone on 14.06.2013 at 15:28

Indeed, I've seen people complaining about a handful of low ratings but the hype and the praises around this album are much more excessive - if not absurd.
Anyway, a fairly solid work but overlong and nothing really new or even so special; their best is still Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame imo.
A rounded up 6,5.

In my opinoin Stronghold shits on everything

Sad to see that people are rating this album by what they see, not by what they hear...

Written by Blackened_Lux on 15.06.2013 at 00:33

Sad to see that people are rating this album by what they see, not by what they hear...

I'd rather see than hear in this case.

Written by Erik M. on 12.06.2013 at 20:56

Written by Guest on 12.06.2013 at 20:51

Same as E.Mols86 und ze Nu Metal? :p

Yeah, except that almost no nu metal music gets high ratings, which means even people who like the music don't think it's all that awesome.

Or they lack the numbers to make a difference in the ratings. If Limp Bizkit were here I'd give all the albums 8s and 9s. But most would probably give 4-7.

Written by Vombatus on 12.06.2013 at 04:49

Written by Góral on 12.06.2013 at 03:41

I think that this "overrated" results from a long absence. Summoning come back after 7 years and it's normal, that there's so much excitement. Maybe when the emotions subside, some people will start to more objective rating.

If you look the other Summoning albums (except early Bm-styled ones), they all have high 8s and even a 9. I think this one will have something similar. Basically coz it sounds like the other albums, but still has the little changes they always do.

I think long absence has quite a minor role. Other band that are more popular than Summoning also took shitload of time to release something new, yet didn't automatically end up with #1 solely by excitement/fanboyism.

I can confirm Vombatus is right. I'm only into Summoning for about a year (became a pretty big fan immediately) and Old Mornings Dawn still blew me away more than any of the previous albums. Hell, I wasn't even planning on listening to this album when it got released, but I did because of the high rating and because everyone was saying how awesome it is. I was still busy with their other music and was planning on checking OMD out as the last one, but now the last one I check out will be LMHSYF (which will arrive somewhere next week).

So there you go people, the long wait actually has nothing to do with the fact that this album is rated a 9.1... at least not in my case. Just get over the fact that this album is simply excellent and if you don't like it, then it's just not your cup of tea. Heck, in comparison to Oath Bound (which I bought a few months ago) this is WAY better, so I'm not just implying everything Summoning is releasing is brilliant. This album and Stronghold are the cream of the crop when it comes to Epic/Atmospheric Black metal, although LMHSYF might be just as good or even better, but I'll find out next week.

"Todays' great sadness, or tomorrow's fear.........." Also I find the horns and such do bring added atmosphere to the theme, "....and heard no echo of the world's distress" Great release, Of Pale White Morns and Darkened Eves grows to be among the favorites.

Well Im getting the record in the post this week.. Going by reviews so far there have the usual comments.. I expected alot of people to critisise the general slowness and amount of symphonics to add to their sound.., and the general repetitiveness summoning are known for. Hopefully its worth it

I didn't know this band before. The first listen was pretty boring : I use to listen many songs with long length but here, nothing really happens. Always the same thing during 9 min with tiny changes as useless as hard to detect. But I did it : 5 listenings and I don't want to go ahead even more (I really tried!). However I admit the album is well produced and well worked, plus, some moments are interesting sometimes so 5/10 (maybe 6/10 if I'm gentle).

Umm... that sounds good.some parts are boring but overall that's good

Lol boring.......
i think it's besides minas morgul their most varying album. but yeah if you don't know the band and are uncommon with this kind of music it seems boring at the beginning.
for me it took me although i listened to all their albums 3 listens then boom started to love it. can't stop anymore and i'm sure i listened to it more than 10 times already.