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Release date: 13 September 2004
Style: Extreme power metal, Progressive folk metal

Rating:

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Disc I
01. Beyond The Dark Sun
02. Winter Madness
03. Sleeping Stars
04. Battle Against Time
05. Death And The Healing
06. Starchild
07. Beautiful Death
08. Sadness And Hate
09. Winter Madness [demo] [Japanese bonus]
10. Beyond The Dark Sun [demo] [Japanese bonus]
11. Death And The Healing [demo] [Japanese bonus]

Disc II [Tour Edition DVD] [Live At Summer Breeze 2005]
01. Beyond The Dark Sun
02. Battle Against Time
03. Sleeping Stars
04. Beautiful Death
05. Death And The Healing
06. Winter Madness

The best debut album of 2004
Top 20 albums of 2004: 2
Top 200 albums of all time: 46

Reviews (5)
Lyrics (8)


Additional info
Kai "the grinder" Hahto
Drums

Jari Mäenpää
Vocals, Guitars, Bass, Synths and Stress

Drums recorded at Tico Tico Studios in January 2004 by Ahti Kortelainen

Everything else recorded at Sundi Coop Studios in April by Tuomo Valtonen.

Mixed at Sonic Pump Studios in May by Nino Laurenne

Mastered at Finnvox Studios in May by Mika Jussila

Produced by Jari Mäenpää
All music and lyrics written by Jari Mäenpää

Re-relased as a Special Tour Edition double-disc digipak by Nuclear Blast in 2006 (NB1221-0). Includes the studio album and the "Live At Summerbreeze 2005" DVD:

1. "Beyond The Dark Sun" (Handy Cam Sound)
2. "Battle Against Time" (Handy Cam Sound)
3. "Sleeping Stars" (Soundboard Sound)
4. "Beautiful Death" (Soundboard Sound)
5. "Death And The Healing" (Soundboard Sound)
6. "Winter Madness" (Soundboard Sound)

The 'Winter Madness' demo was used as a bonus on the Japanese version of the album:
09. Winter Madness (Demo)(06:00)
10. Beyond the Dark Sun (Demo)(02:43)
11. Death and the Healing (Demo)(06:46)

Tracks 1, 2 and 5 are re-recordings of the tracks with the same names from the afore mentioned 'Winter Madness' demo.

Jari Mäenpää had been working on the songs for this album for a long time. The songs were written in/between:
1. Beyond the Dark Sun (1998)
2. Winter Madness (2002)
3. Sleeping Stars (1995-2003)
4. Battle Against Time (2002-2003)
5. Death and the Healing (1996)
6. Starchild (2000-2003)
7. Beautiful Death (2003)
8. Sadness and Hate (1996)

Guest review by
Hyvaarin

Rating:
10
Those readers who are familiar with the history of folk/power-metallers Ensiferum will doubtless be familiar with the history of Wintersun (i.e. that after walking out on Ensiferum, main man Jari Maënpäa formed the latter as a solo project). Speculation was rife in melodic metal circles - expectations for 'Wintersun' were largely high, though some suspected that Wintersun would be little more than Ensiferum Pt.II. In spite of the various similarities between this release and those of Maënpäa's former band (and make no mistake- they do exist), 'Wintersun' is very much an exceptional album, and will be reviewed as such.

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published 16.06.2006 | Comments (79)

Guest review by
Black_Handed

Rating:
9.4
Ok, just to make it clear right at the beginning, I absolutely love/adore/worship (choose preferred term) this album. And I'm not alone, just check the number of fans in "Featured bands" section. So reviewing this album comes with great responsibility.
Jari Mäenpää started as a part of Ensiferum. Great black folk metal band if you'd ask me. So why did he leave? He came up with some interesting not-so-Ensiferum-like ideas. So he started his own project with drummer Kai Hahto of Rotten Sound grinders. But where are the others? Where are synth, bass, second guitar players we can hear in there? Well by the time Wintersun was recorded Jari Mäenpää did everything except drums. Yes, everything except drums. Later on Jukka Koskinken of Norther and Teemu Mäntysaari joined to finish the lineup.

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published 07.07.2006 | Comments (25)

Guest review by
Talvi

Rating:
9.2
Wintersun is the band Jari Mäenpää started after leaving Ensiferum. Some people dispise this band because they compare it to Ensiferum and say it's worse. Big mistake. This probably isn't as bombastic and catchy as Ensiferum, of course, but, what is Wintersun?

I've seen them labelled as Melodic Death Metal, as well as Extreme Power Metal. The first thing that comes to my mind though, is Children Of Bodom. But Children Of Bodom they are not. They play somewhat epic, almost progressive Melodic Death/Black Metal with Folk influences. You may see it as less Folk-like, as only some riffs have Folk qualities, but more aggressive and complex Ensiferum. It's far more than just that however.

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published 29.12.2006 | Comments (5)

Guest review by
RhaegarTargaryen

Rating:
10
When in 2004 Jari Mäenpää left Ensiferum, few people could imagine what impact that would leave on the metal community. Ensiferum got on pretty we'll, but what Jari did with his new band Wintersun was something quite unexpected. There are only few albums that deserve this kind of praise and hype, but I think this one is one of them.

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published 21.12.2007 | Comments (28)

Guest review by
Andro Maximus

Rating:
7.5
A most beautiful melancholic album cover, fast sweeping guitar solos, some fantastic melodies, and an epic, if slightly overproduced soundscape - Wintersun's debut album is clearly the result of a lot of passion and hard work and is obviously intended to be a monumental album. It is a shame then, that with so much going for it, Wintersun falls short of being the masterpiece that it is intended to be.

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published 27.07.2014 | Comments (11)

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JÄY - 11.02.2010 at 00:30  
Rating: 10 I love this obscure gem
bard - 11.02.2010 at 01:51  
Rating: 9 It really is just overflowing with content. But due to its legacy I really can't listen to it for more than a few songs without getting frustrated.
Promonex - 12.02.2010 at 01:32  
Rating: 7 LOOOOOL @ obscure gem...
Marcel Hubregtse - 12.02.2010 at 08:16  
  It's fine for what it is. Decent music, but nothing too spectacular. This is certainly the single most overrated album of the previous decade.
Daggon - 12.02.2010 at 09:42  
Rating: 7 I agree with Marcel, yes, the music is not bad, but there are surely tons of better albums than this one. After many listens, I'm still not impressed. It's just good, nothing more, nothing less, nuff said.
Ellrohir - 12.02.2010 at 11:40  
  Maybe i claimed something different in the past in review comments (dont remember now), but currently i will rate it somewhere around 8...there are way too much songs, that arent my very favorite
Doc Godin - 18.02.2010 at 19:48  
Rating: 7
Written by JÄY on 11.02.2010 at 00:30

I love this obscure gem

Being on the same major label as Nightwish, In Flames, Blind Guardian, Dimmu Borgir, Sonata Arctica, Kreator, Testament, Rhapsody Of Fire, Edguy, Hammerfall, Korpiklaani, Anthrax, Overkill, The 69 Eyes, Chrome Division, having a worldwide distribution deal, as well as being 22nd out of 4564 bands here on MS...Yeah, you're right, totally obscure.

EDIT: Are you sure you know what obscure means? You may be using it in the wrong context...
JÄY - 18.02.2010 at 19:51  
Rating: 10
Written by Doc Godin on 18.02.2010 at 19:48

Written by JÄY on 11.02.2010 at 00:30

I love this obscure gem

Being on the same major label as Nightwish, In Flames, Blind Guardian, Dimmu Borgir, Sonata Arctica, Kreator, Testament, Rhapsody Of Fire, Edguy, Hammerfall, Korpiklaani, Anthrax, Overkill, The 69 Eyes, Chrome Division, having a worldwide distribution deal, as well as being 22nd out of 4564 bands here on MS...Yeah, you're right, totally obscure.

EDIT: Are you sure you know what obscure means? You may be using it in the wrong context...


it was joke, dumdum
Doc Godin - 18.02.2010 at 19:55  
Rating: 7
Written by JÄY on 18.02.2010 at 19:51

Written by Doc Godin on 18.02.2010 at 19:48

Written by JÄY on 11.02.2010 at 00:30

I love this obscure gem

Being on the same major label as Nightwish, In Flames, Blind Guardian, Dimmu Borgir, Sonata Arctica, Kreator, Testament, Rhapsody Of Fire, Edguy, Hammerfall, Korpiklaani, Anthrax, Overkill, The 69 Eyes, Chrome Division, having a worldwide distribution deal, as well as being 22nd out of 4564 bands here on MS...Yeah, you're right, totally obscure.

EDIT: Are you sure you know what obscure means? You may be using it in the wrong context...


it was joke, dumdum

dumdum? If you've read the seriously moronic posts I've come across over the 4 years I've spent on this site, you wouldn't be calling me dumdum for not picking up sarcasm from a 5 word sentence.

EDIT: A lot of those moronic posts being from irrational Wintersun fans who worship this album.
JÄY - 18.02.2010 at 19:58  
Rating: 10
Written by Doc Godin on 18.02.2010 at 19:55

Written by JÄY on 18.02.2010 at 19:51

Written by Doc Godin on 18.02.2010 at 19:48

Written by JÄY on 11.02.2010 at 00:30

I love this obscure gem

Being on the same major label as Nightwish, In Flames, Blind Guardian, Dimmu Borgir, Sonata Arctica, Kreator, Testament, Rhapsody Of Fire, Edguy, Hammerfall, Korpiklaani, Anthrax, Overkill, The 69 Eyes, Chrome Division, having a worldwide distribution deal, as well as being 22nd out of 4564 bands here on MS...Yeah, you're right, totally obscure.

EDIT: Are you sure you know what obscure means? You may be using it in the wrong context...


it was joke, dumdum

dumdum? If you've read the seriously moronic posts I've come across over the 4 years I've spent on this site, you wouldn't be calling me dumdum for not picking up sarcasm from a 5 word sentence.

EDIT: A lot of those moronic posts being from irrational Wintersun fans who worship this album.


geez, Louise
Doc Godin - 18.02.2010 at 20:00  
Rating: 7
Written by JÄY on 18.02.2010 at 19:58

Written by Doc Godin on 18.02.2010 at 19:55

Written by JÄY on 18.02.2010 at 19:51

Written by Doc Godin on 18.02.2010 at 19:48

Written by JÄY on 11.02.2010 at 00:30

I love this obscure gem

Being on the same major label as Nightwish, In Flames, Blind Guardian, Dimmu Borgir, Sonata Arctica, Kreator, Testament, Rhapsody Of Fire, Edguy, Hammerfall, Korpiklaani, Anthrax, Overkill, The 69 Eyes, Chrome Division, having a worldwide distribution deal, as well as being 22nd out of 4564 bands here on MS...Yeah, you're right, totally obscure.

EDIT: Are you sure you know what obscure means? You may be using it in the wrong context...


it was joke, dumdum

dumdum? If you've read the seriously moronic posts I've come across over the 4 years I've spent on this site, you wouldn't be calling me dumdum for not picking up sarcasm from a 5 word sentence.

EDIT: A lot of those moronic posts being from irrational Wintersun fans who worship this album.


geez, Louise

What? I explained myself, I ask that you do the same.
Marcel Hubregtse - 19.02.2010 at 03:49  
  Hey Snoogans you really want to play it that way? Better think twice... you snooze, you lose (hope you catch the band reference there, but probably not )
Just think about it.
Vitriolic Hate - 06.03.2010 at 14:35  
 
Written by JÄY on 11.02.2010 at 00:30

I love this obscure gem

me too but I don't find it obscure just epic
Lord_Regnier - 06.03.2010 at 15:36  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.02.2010 at 08:16

It's fine for what it is. Decent music, but nothing too spectacular. This is certainly the single most overrated album of the previous decade.


Agreed on everything.

"Wintersun" is the most overrated metal album of the 00s, just as "Nightfall In Middle-Earth" was the most overrated album of the 90s.
metalgemini - 07.03.2010 at 19:03  
Rating: 9 Funtastic album from a very versatile and genius guy..this album rocks:banger:
Valaskjalf - 29.03.2010 at 05:10  
Rating: 10 The most loved/hated band in metal thesedays from the looks of it. The so-called "powers that be" think its a pile....I say its the best debut album Ive heard in a long time.
Exhumed - 29.03.2010 at 12:13  
  Very decent album indeed. Not sure why it's taken me so long to check it out.
Boxcar Willy - 07.04.2010 at 20:51  
Rating: 7 Is this like cob? it says extreme power metal like cob?
FeskarN - 07.04.2010 at 22:40  
Rating: 10
Written by Boxcar Willy on 07.04.2010 at 20:51

Is this like cob? it says extreme power metal like cob?

Hell no. It's like 1000 more epic than CoB. 50/50 clean and screaming vocals. Amazing solos and catchy melodies. If you like Ensiferum's earlier works you should love this.
Boxcar Willy - 07.04.2010 at 23:51  
Rating: 7
Written by FeskarN on 07.04.2010 at 22:40

Written by Boxcar Willy on 07.04.2010 at 20:51

Is this like cob? it says extreme power metal like cob?

Hell no. It's like 1000 more epic than CoB. 50/50 clean and screaming vocals. Amazing solos and catchy melodies. If you like Ensiferum's earlier works you should love this.

ohhh
Got Mayhem? - 29.04.2010 at 23:05  
Rating: 6 Yea...it just isn't that good at all.It sounds like Jari just tried to fit at many possible genres into this thing as possible. It's just all over the place musically.
Angel Of Mercy - 11.05.2010 at 13:59  
  I happen to love this album, it's an obscure gem (as someone said earlier, it's obscure because most people out side of this site haven't heard of it. Well in my country anyway.).

Jari went from one band in order to do this. It's awesome . Got me into the heavier stuff like Amon Armarth this did.
MétalNoir - 19.05.2010 at 22:47  
Rating: 9 I know it's been said a million time but DAMN this album is so overrated...
qlacs - 15.06.2010 at 20:47  
Rating: 10 Damn this album is not overrated I've listened every epic metal band even some you haven't heard of and can't find anything close to Wintersun. Still I think Time will be even better Don't know why someone said above there's too many genres mixed , I can barely find any more than melodic death mixed with power metal and symphonic elements. (could have been more progressive, as for me.) Best mixture ever for imagine northern tales, winter and coldness. If you want to argue more check out the bands in my profile THEN say you know better than this...
Lord_Regnier - 16.06.2010 at 00:10  
 
Written by MétalNoir on 19.05.2010 at 22:47

I know it's been said a million time but DAMN this album is so overrated...


It's not a bad album but I don't know why some people believe it is so special. It's only Powermetal with harsh vocals and some blastbeats.
MétalNoir - 16.06.2010 at 03:52  
Rating: 9
Written by Lord_Regnier on 16.06.2010 at 00:10

Written by MétalNoir on 19.05.2010 at 22:47

I know it's been said a million time but DAMN this album is so overrated...


It's not a bad album but I don't know why some people believe it is so special. It's only Powermetal with harsh vocals and some blastbeats.

I do like this album a lot, but I don't understand why some cult following appeared around this band after just one good album. I guess Jari's name preceded him and he could have done anything average and be called a genius...
qlacs - 16.06.2010 at 10:44  
Rating: 10
Written by MétalNoir on 16.06.2010 at 03:52

Written by Lord_Regnier on 16.06.2010 at 00:10

Written by MétalNoir on 19.05.2010 at 22:47

I know it's been said a million time but DAMN this album is so overrated...


It's not a bad album but I don't know why some people believe it is so special. It's only Powermetal with harsh vocals and some blastbeats.

I do like this album a lot, but I don't understand why some cult following appeared around this band after just one good album. I guess Jari's name preceded him and he could have done anything average and be called a genius...

eg. Cynic... Jari didn't make anything average so far; if he will that stuff be considered normally average, not great. As for me I think the new Ensiferum is overrated, but still there are people who thinks it's even better than Iron and the self-titled. Everyone has his own opinion.
MétalNoir - 17.06.2010 at 04:33  
Rating: 9
Written by qlacs on 16.06.2010 at 10:44

Written by MétalNoir on 16.06.2010 at 03:52

Written by Lord_Regnier on 16.06.2010 at 00:10

Written by MétalNoir on 19.05.2010 at 22:47

I know it's been said a million time but DAMN this album is so overrated...


It's not a bad album but I don't know why some people believe it is so special. It's only Powermetal with harsh vocals and some blastbeats.

I do like this album a lot, but I don't understand why some cult following appeared around this band after just one good album. I guess Jari's name preceded him and he could have done anything average and be called a genius...

eg. Cynic... Jari didn't make anything average so far; if he will that stuff be considered normally average, not great. As for me I think the new Ensiferum is overrated, but still there are people who thinks it's even better than Iron and the self-titled. Everyone has his own opinion.

you call me cynic when I give my opinion and then conclude with the clichéd "Everyone has his own opinion"? Oooook... Anyway, there always are inconditionnal fans who defend their favorite artists to their very last breath and that's great, because that gives support to the underground scene... but I still think Wintersun is overrated. Vey good album. But not THAT great IMO. 8? All right. 9? Ok. 10? Pfffffff... Maybe.
qlacs - 17.06.2010 at 21:40  
Rating: 10
Written by MétalNoir on 17.06.2010 at 04:33

Written by qlacs on 16.06.2010 at 10:44

Written by MétalNoir on 16.06.2010 at 03:52

Written by Lord_Regnier on 16.06.2010 at 00:10

Written by MétalNoir on 19.05.2010 at 22:47

I know it's been said a million time but DAMN this album is so overrated...


It's not a bad album but I don't know why some people believe it is so special. It's only Powermetal with harsh vocals and some blastbeats.

I do like this album a lot, but I don't understand why some cult following appeared around this band after just one good album. I guess Jari's name preceded him and he could have done anything average and be called a genius...

eg. Cynic... Jari didn't make anything average so far; if he will that stuff be considered normally average, not great. As for me I think the new Ensiferum is overrated, but still there are people who thinks it's even better than Iron and the self-titled. Everyone has his own opinion.

you call me cynic when I give my opinion and then conclude with the clichéd "Everyone has his own opinion"? Oooook... Anyway, there always are inconditionnal fans who defend their favorite artists to their very last breath and that's great, because that gives support to the underground scene... but I still think Wintersun is overrated. Vey good album. But not THAT great IMO. 8? All right. 9? Ok. 10? Pfffffff... Maybe.

LOOOOL no I'm talking about the band Cynic... they had cult following after the first album too just like Wintersun. And I'm not defending just some people to explain his/her ratings.
Vikcen - 16.09.2010 at 01:05  
Rating: 10 Finally i bought this album, and i have to say that Jari Maenpaa is great, nice album yeah.
Vikcen - 21.09.2010 at 06:00  
Rating: 10 Well, and Kai "the grinder" Hahto of course =).

This album is awesome.
Gurth Bennas - 01.10.2010 at 10:36  
Rating: 10 It's one of the best albums I've listened! amazing!
LEOdrake - 06.11.2010 at 20:42  
 
Written by Got Mayhem? on 29.04.2010 at 23:05

Yea...it just isn't that good at all.It sounds like Jari just tried to fit at many possible genres into this thing as possible. It's just all over the place musically.


You know what? Fuck you , if there were less genres you would have bitched about it not being diverse.

At this point your not being objective ,you're looking for something to whine about just because no one is blindly kissing ass at whatever band you're in to.

I am objective , I hated Sadness and Hate ,and I never thought it was a perfect album,but you know what it is?...Fucking awesome.For a debut its amazing,for an album created almost single-handedly by Jari Maenpaa its great .
Is it the second coming? No ,but its a damn good experience reeking of majesty for the majority of the tracks

Overrated? Fuck you,most metalheads haven't even heard of it. Most of you people are trying to find a fault to the album and the band.There are faults don't get me wrong ,but you're heading into a territory of sadism ,insulting a great band just to fuel your own sick need to lower things because of your own inferiority.Again this only applies to some of you,I'm not saying those who say "It was agreat effort,but I never managed to get into it" or something along those lines, but those who blindly say "Overrated Overhyped musical shit".
I spit on you.

Everything in perspective ,Wintersun is a great band ,with a great debut,with one or two lacklustre tracks and an annoying need for perfection that transcends Time

See what I did there
Got Mayhem? - 07.11.2010 at 02:36  
Rating: 6
Written by LEOdrake on 06.11.2010 at 20:42

Written by Got Mayhem? on 29.04.2010 at 23:05

Yea...it just isn't that good at all.It sounds like Jari just tried to fit at many possible genres into this thing as possible. It's just all over the place musically.


You know what? Fuck you , if there were less genres you would have bitched about it not being diverse.

At this point your not being objective ,you're looking for something to whine about just because no one is blindly kissing ass at whatever band you're in to.

I am objective , I hated Sadness and Hate ,and I never thought it was a perfect album,but you know what it is?...Fucking awesome.For a debut its amazing,for an album created almost single-handedly by Jari Maenpaa its great .
Is it the second coming? No ,but its a damn good experience reeking of majesty for the majority of the tracks

Overrated? Fuck you,most metalheads haven't even heard of it. Most of you people are trying to find a fault to the album and the band.There are faults don't get me wrong ,but you're heading into a territory of sadism ,insulting a great band just to fuel your own sick need to lower things because of your own inferiority.Again this only applies to some of you,I'm not saying those who say "It was agreat effort,but I never managed to get into it" or something along those lines, but those who blindly say "Overrated Overhyped musical shit".
I spit on you.

Everything in perspective ,Wintersun is a great band ,with a great debut,with one or two lacklustre tracks and an annoying need for perfection that transcends Time

See what I did there


Here you go

People have their own opinions. Get over it.
vezzy - 07.11.2010 at 10:29  
  Most metalheads haven't heard of it?

On the other hand, it's overhyped everywhere.
LEOdrake - 07.11.2010 at 12:09  
 
Written by Got Mayhem? on 07.11.2010 at 02:36

Here you go

People have their own opinions. Get over it.


Are we really resorting to the own opinions argument
Got Mayhem? - 07.11.2010 at 15:42  
Rating: 6
Written by LEOdrake on 07.11.2010 at 12:09

Written by Got Mayhem? on 07.11.2010 at 02:36

Here you go

People have their own opinions. Get over it.


Are we really resorting to the own opinions argument

Argument? It's a fact. I dont like it. Some people do. I'm not going around telling them they're wrong though, because that's their opinion. I can offer evidence to support my own ideas about the album but that's just about it. Doing anything more is taking a trip into Asshat territory, which you seem to be very well traveled in.

I can tell you'll last a very long time here. And by that I mean, It's my opinion that you will likely piss off the wrong person in the near future.
ErnilEnNaur - 07.11.2010 at 23:30  
  The artwork is better than the album itself. But it is good, it's just that one song on it almost puts the other songs to shame - Death and the healing. That song alone makes it an album worth having, but it's too damn awesome for the album's own good and after having listened to the album over a dozen times, it's still the only song that keeps ringing in my head.
c0ok1e - 08.11.2010 at 14:33  
  Sounds good but the last track "Sadness and Hate" is the funniest song in metal history.. everytime i listen to that track when he start growling a few seconds into the song it sounded like he farted..
SATANSCHAMBER666 - 27.11.2010 at 02:33  
Rating: 10 Brilliant album loved it
Sulac - 17.12.2010 at 15:23  
  I'm not insulting the album, here, but I'm thinking 10 ratings are being slung around a little too carefreely. 10 is for the most brilliant crap of metal history, not a "great album, loved it." Its not bad at all, though. I'm probably gonna buy it soon.
Array - 17.12.2010 at 17:45  
Rating: 10
Written by Sulac on 17.12.2010 at 15:23

I'm not insulting the album, here, but I'm thinking 10 ratings are being slung around a little too carefreely. 10 is for the most brilliant crap of metal history, not a "great album, loved it." Its not bad at all, though. I'm probably gonna buy it soon.

It's fine if you're voting that way. The people around are just voting in different manners. For instance i'll give everything a 10, which score 9,5 or higher rating in my opinion. If I was thinking there may exist some "perfect album" which i'll probably never hear, i'd give 10 to none of the records and end up in a bunch of 9 records. That's what I think is lame, toothless attitude. Even an album i've given a 7 can be pretty much perfect album when the time is right, mood is right and the surrounding is right. Also, i could mention here that i don't vote by what's written next to degree or what's the colour of that number/text. I think those colors work better when they're representing total rating by many users.
Cryzpin - 29.12.2010 at 16:46  
Rating: 9 Sour to see so many "overrated" claims from headbangers and even stuff.
If you think twice of the word, it only says "my impression is superior to yours", how pathetic, without content, just shouting "me, me, look at me".
Can't you just say "i don't like it, because..." subjectively, "it's polarizing" objectively, or something more suited for discussion and less suited for flame?
Paradoxically, all those using "overrated" have impression of themselves quite overrated :-).
vezzy - 29.12.2010 at 16:53  
 
Written by Cryzpin on 29.12.2010 at 16:46

Sour to see so many "overrated" claims from headbangers and even stuff.
If you think twice of the word, it only says "my impression is superior to yours", how pathetic, without content, just shouting "me, me, look at me".
Can't you just say "i don't like it, because..." subjectively, "it's polarizing" objectively, or something more suited for discussion and less suited for flame?
Paradoxically, all those using "overrated" have impression of themselves quite overrated :-).


No flaming in saying it's overrated.




(because it is)
Cryzpin - 29.12.2010 at 17:35  
Rating: 9
Written by vezzy on 29.12.2010 at 16:53

(because it is) [overrated]


Well, you said that twice already, any argument for it? Or it's just "i don't like it so all who does knows shit" thing?
Array - 29.12.2010 at 17:41  
Rating: 10 Fact:
rated 9.02 by 871 voters.

bullshit:
overrated: opinion.
underrated: opinion.
vezzy - 29.12.2010 at 18:22  
  It's a pretty average album, nothing has truly impressed me about it and it has that somewhat laughable cheery keyboard backup. Very well produced (in fact, I'd say overproduced), but that isn't a deciding factor in quality at the end of the day, unless you recorded it by plugging a Walkman into a speaker.

Basically an overproduced, sugar sweet album that people are somehow wooed into by its EPIC MAJESTIC atmosphere. Lots of solos and basic riffs to go with it.

also:

Fact:
How an album is received by the general public doesn't reflect its quality.

Bullshit:
Homeopathy.
RavenKing - 30.12.2010 at 00:22  
 
Written by vezzy on 29.12.2010 at 18:22

Fact:
How an album is received by the general public doesn't reflect its quality.


True.

P.S. This average album is quite overrated.
Wyrd - 30.12.2010 at 01:31  
Rating: 9 Great album from a great band. hope to hear more when the get done the long awaited follow up. Though, the term "Extreme Power Metal" is a little odd.
Valentin B - 02.02.2011 at 00:42  
  I don't really see how people need 4 reviews saying basically the same thing regarding an album.


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