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Release date: January 1990
Style: Gothic metal, Death doom metal

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01. Intro
02. Deadly Inner Sense
03. Paradise Lost
04. Our Saviour
05. Rotting Misery
06. Frozen Illusion
07. Breeding Fear
08. Lost Paradise
09. Internal Torment II [CD & cassette bonus]
10. Eternal [live] [2003 Re-release bonus]
11. Gothic [Mix] [2003 Re-release bonus]
12. The Painless [Mix] [2003 Re-release bonus]

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Label: Vile Music / Peaceville Records

Staff review by
DerRozzengarten

Rating:
8.0
1990, the world starts to move in mysterious ways. Clouds all over Europe, shadows rising hide the sun, a new dawn of pure decadence is about to begin. Paradise is Lost and its fallen children are Nick Holmes, Greg Mackintosh, Aaron Aedy, Stephen Edmondson and Matthew Archer that farewelled all happiness and lost themselves in the yard of a cemetery on a gloomy mourning day, five black figures in perfect harmony with the dreary landscape. When all doom/death metal bands try to play faster and faster a band from the UK named Paradise Lost slows down playing primary doom/death metal; the fallen angels' cries turned into bleak symphonies.

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published 17.10.2004 | Comments (2)

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!J.O.O.E.! - 04.01.2012 at 21:01  
Rating: 9 Another underrated record? I enjoy this way, way more than every other Paradise Lost release.
Marcel Hubregtse - 04.01.2012 at 21:04  
Rating: 9 This is most probably my favourite PL release. I actually enjoy it a lot more than the, imo, overrated follow-up Gothic.
Mr. Doctor - 04.01.2012 at 21:18  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 04.01.2012 at 21:01

Another underrated record? I enjoy this way, way more than every other Paradise Lost release.


Indeed, this is THE album by the UK death/doom triology. My Dying Bride's debut comes close but the rawness and trully evil atmosphere makes this one the better album by far.

Insanely underrated by the doom scene.
!J.O.O.E.! - 04.01.2012 at 21:20  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.01.2012 at 21:18


Indeed, this is THE album by the UK death/doom triology. My Dying Bride's debut comes close but the rawness and trully evil atmosphere makes this one the better album by far.

Insanely underrated by the doom scene.

I take it you're referring to Anathema and Cathedral? I can honestly give or take Anathema to be honest.
(((O))) - 04.01.2012 at 21:22  
  Whats the deal with Optimus Prime on the album cover?

And yeah, I like this album too.
Mr. Doctor - 04.01.2012 at 21:24  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 04.01.2012 at 21:20
I take it you're referring to Anathema and Cathedral? I can honestly give or take Anathema to be honest.


Well, I actually meant Anathema/Paradise Lost/My Dying Bride, considering they were known as the Peaceville triology back in the day. and I always felt that looking at the debuts alone... The others had no match against Lost Paradise. As The Flower Withers comes very close though.
!J.O.O.E.! - 04.01.2012 at 21:24  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.01.2012 at 21:24


Well, I actually meant Anathema/Paradise Lost/My Dying Bride, considering they were known as the Peaceville triology back in the day. and I always felt that looking at the debuts alone... The others had no match against Lost Paradise. As The Flower Withers comes very close though.

Ah I see. Yeah I tend to agree to be honest.
Mr. Doctor - 04.01.2012 at 21:26  
Rating: 9
Written by (((O))) on 04.01.2012 at 21:22

Whats the deal with Optimus Prime on the album cover?

And yeah, I like this album too.


I always liked the artwork of that album, quite different from what you would expect from that scene.I would love to have a poster of that (minus the red lines which I find kind of pointless) but I'm afraid someone would think it looks kind of nazi.

(((O))) - 04.01.2012 at 21:30  
 
Quote:
I always liked the artwork of that album, quite different from what you would expect from that scene.I would love to have a poster of that (minus the red lines which I find kind of pointless) but I'm afraid someone would think it looks kind of nazi.

Yeah, I like the artwork too and it is quite unique.
!J.O.O.E.! - 04.01.2012 at 21:31  
Rating: 9 Looks like a Predator to me.
Mr. Doctor - 04.01.2012 at 21:36  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 04.01.2012 at 21:31

Looks like a Predator to me.


Predator meets Terminator kind of thing.
!J.O.O.E.! - 04.01.2012 at 21:38  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.01.2012 at 21:36


Predator meets Terminator kind of thing.

A Prederminator.

I guarantee you we'll be watching that film in a couple of years.
Mr. Doctor - 04.01.2012 at 21:40  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 04.01.2012 at 21:38
A Prederminator.
I guarantee you we'll be watching that film in a couple of years.


If it were made in the 90's I'm sure it would be fucking rad and kvlt shit but now.... meh.
Troy Killjoy - 04.01.2012 at 22:06  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 04.01.2012 at 21:38

Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.01.2012 at 21:36
Predator meets Terminator kind of thing.

A Prederminator.

More like Hitler Predator.

The movie will obviously be about the genocide of the Alien race.

Oh wait...
!J.O.O.E.! - 04.01.2012 at 22:07  
Rating: 9 Zing.

I'd watch it anyway.
Slayer666 - 05.01.2012 at 18:40  
Rating: 7 Nice record, to be sure, but the "underrated" thing I disagree with. If this wasn't released back in 1990, methinks people would see it as a decent, yet not outstanding record, which is pretty much the way I see it.
Gothic walks all over it, IMO.
Mr. Doctor - 07.01.2012 at 15:23  
Rating: 9
Written by Slayer666 on 05.01.2012 at 18:40
Nice record, to be sure, but the "underrated" thing I disagree with. If this wasn't released back in 1990, methinks people would see it as a decent, yet not outstanding record, which is pretty much the way I see it.
Gothic walks all over it, IMO.


Wait wut? That seems like a really lousy argument, dude. Wouldn't like... I dunno, most (if not all) releases from the 90s or 80s or pretty much any decade sound outdated and not outstanding at all if released after? Case in point all the revival movements. You are really not explaining your point with that.

Needless to say I disagree with you, I'm yet to find a death/doom release that has this quality in the songs, from the atmosphere and songwriting. If you know any then please be my guest and tell me more tell me more does he have a car?

Ok, sorry for that (it has been in my head since morning)...
Also: Nah, Gothic is a good album but it has some fillers here and there during the entire record. In some aspects it's clearly inferior to Lost Paradise, case in point: Holmes vocals, it was clear that the dude had no future when it comes to growl, they started to sound a bit weakin Gothic and went downhill since then. Plus, the female vocals and keyboards was hit or miss most of the time. The production was pretty light to my ears as well, lacked some meat in the sound so to speak. Mid 7 to low 8 material.
InnerSelf - 07.01.2012 at 15:48  
Rating: 8 ^Winter - Into Darkness
this is pretty awesome and indeed underrated but I still like MDB's debut more
Mr. Doctor - 07.01.2012 at 16:19  
Rating: 9
Written by InnerSelf on 07.01.2012 at 15:48
^Winter - Into Darkness


Hhahahaha well, I know that one already, would put it in the same pedestal together with this one, Disembowelment's debut and MDB's debut. Not to mention that PL's debut was released a couple of years before all those albums except Winter which came out the same year so I don't get how this album got underrated considering how it was during that time.
InnerSelf - 08.01.2012 at 00:15  
Rating: 8
Written by Mr. Doctor on 07.01.2012 at 16:19

Hhahahaha well, I know that one already, would put it in the same pedestal together with this one, Disembowelment's debut and MDB's debut. Not to mention that PL's debut was released a couple of years before all those albums except Winter which came out the same year so I don't get how this album got underrated considering how it was during that time.


And it is not a matter of publicity I guess since it also came out through Peaceville. This has all the factors that makes a masterpiece and I believe it had a very fresh sound when it came out
Slayer666 - 08.01.2012 at 15:17  
Rating: 7
Written by Mr. Doctor on 07.01.2012 at 15:23

Wait wut? That seems like a really lousy argument, dude. Wouldn't like... I dunno, most (if not all) releases from the 90s or 80s or pretty much any decade sound outdated and not outstanding at all if released after? Case in point all the revival movements. You are really not explaining your point with that.


I just meant that the influence this album had makes the people praise it more than its actual quality warrants. The typical "worship of the classics". Of course, that's just my 2 cents. I see you, Joe and some others really like it, so I may be wrong.


Quote:

Needless to say I disagree with you, I'm yet to find a death/doom release that has this quality in the songs, from the atmosphere and songwriting. If you know any then please be my guest and tell me more tell me more does he have a car?


Innerself beat me to it. Winter and Disembowelment off the top of my head, though if wasn't as lazy I could put in a lot more here.
(pretty sure they have cars too and some hookers in 'em to boot)

Quote:

Also: Nah, Gothic is a good album but it has some fillers here and there during the entire record. In some aspects it's clearly inferior to Lost Paradise, case in point: Holmes vocals, it was clear that the dude had no future when it comes to growl, they started to sound a bit weakin Gothic and went downhill since then. Plus, the female vocals and keyboards was hit or miss most of the time. The production was pretty light to my ears as well, lacked some meat in the sound so to speak. Mid 7 to low 8 material.


[insert the traditional "to each his own" here]

I like the growls, they're somehow more throaty and raw.

And yes, the production was definitively a low point, a re-recording would really be great there.
!J.O.O.E.! - 08.01.2012 at 15:21  
Rating: 9 Well I discovered this retrospectively less than a week ago and I've listened to a fair amount of doom/death and this trounced the majority of what I've heard. That's all I can really say on the matter. The rest of Paradise Lost doesn't really interest me to be honest.
Slayer666 - 08.01.2012 at 15:26  
Rating: 7 Discussing all of this is rather pointless though. We all know Draconian Times is PL's best.
It's the closest thing to a perfect goth rock album there is at the moment.
!J.O.O.E.! - 08.01.2012 at 15:31  
Rating: 9
Written by Slayer666 on 08.01.2012 at 15:26

Discussing all of this is rather pointless though. We all know Draconian Times is PL's best.
It's the closest thing to a perfect goth rock album there is at the moment.

Fields of the Nephilim called. They want to meet you in the car park at 12:30. Bring a crowbar.
Slayer666 - 08.01.2012 at 15:44  
Rating: 7
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 08.01.2012 at 15:31

Fields of the Nephilim called. They want to meet you in the car park at 12:30. Bring a crowbar.


Oh shit, I forgot about Mourning Sun. Tell 'em I pussied out will send them some flowers instead.

Is this a deja vu, or did we already have this discussion once?
!J.O.O.E.! - 08.01.2012 at 15:46  
Rating: 9
Written by Slayer666 on 08.01.2012 at 15:44


Oh shit, I forgot about Mourning Sun. Tell 'em I pussied out will send them some flowers instead.

Is this a deja vu, or did we already have this discussion once?

I think so. I still don't really like Mourning Sun. Not that I've listened to it in the past few years.
NocturnalStalker - 05.03.2012 at 16:28  
Rating: 8 This is a fine debut album for a great band. It's very gloomy and harsh and that's why I like it. Though, I still prefer Gothic and Shades Of God.
Bad English - 26.08.2012 at 19:30  
Rating: 10 I give a try to this agan, well Its good album, not my fav, its good liie Death/doom, but not such killer openerr album, band make next better, but dont get me wrong still good, but lil weeker how followers , but still masterpiece
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.08.2012 at 19:43  
Rating: 9
Written by Bad English on 26.08.2012 at 19:30

I give a try to this agan, well Its good album, not my fav, its good liie Death/doom, but not such killer openerr album, band make next better, but dont get me wrong still good, but lil weeker how followers , but still masterpiece

My word, what a load of incoherent and confused drivel.
Mr. Doctor - 26.08.2012 at 19:46  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.08.2012 at 19:43
My word, what a load of incoherent and confused drivel.

I gave it a try again. Well, it's a good album. Not my favorite. It's good for death/doom but not such a killer debut. Their next one is better. But don't get me wrong, this is still good but a bit weaker than the bands that continued the style... But still a masterpice.


Let's see if that makes more sense.
Array - 26.08.2012 at 19:52  
Rating: 10
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.08.2012 at 19:46

I gave it a try again. Well, it's a good album. Not my favorite. It's good for death/doom but not such a killer debut. Their next one is better. But don't get me wrong, this is still good but a bit weaker than the bands that continued the style... But still a masterpice.

Otherwise agree, but my K7 - me - K7 dictionary would change one line into: "but it's a bit weaker than the followed albums"
Mr. Doctor - 26.08.2012 at 19:53  
Rating: 9
Written by Array on 26.08.2012 at 19:52
Otherwise agree, but my K7 - me - K7 dictionary would change one line into: "but it's a bit weaker than the followed albums"


Aaaaah, silly me. I used the second explanation for "Followers". You get lost in that dictionary.
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.08.2012 at 20:02  
Rating: 9 I wasn't talking about the language, I was talking about the back and forth opinion then giving it a ten. That is a description that something worth 10 does not get.
Array - 26.08.2012 at 20:28  
Rating: 10
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.08.2012 at 19:53

Aaaaah, silly me. I used the second explanation for "Followers". You get lost in that dictionary.

It still can be your version, since he hasn't commented this 'lost in translation' situation yet
Mr. Doctor - 26.08.2012 at 20:31  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 26.08.2012 at 20:02

I wasn't talking about the language, I was talking about the back and forth opinion then giving it a ten. That is a description that something worth 10 does not get.


i didn't bother with that because I took it for granted... It's not like it's the first person who says "it's good but not that much but still a masterpiece"
!J.O.O.E.! - 26.08.2012 at 20:45  
Rating: 9
Written by Mr. Doctor on 26.08.2012 at 20:31


i didn't bother with that because I took it for granted... It's not like it's the first person who says "it's good but not that much but still a masterpiece"

It reminds me of Solemn 23's awful Mastodon review.

Generally, this is a very decent, mediocre, easy-listening album; yet rather unchallenging at times. It's a strong well-composed album through a great production, though it tends to be a bit too repetitive and generic here and there, especially compared to their older work, but still a great album in the end.

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Erik M. - 02.12.2012 at 00:12  
Rating: 8
Written by Slayer666 on 08.01.2012 at 15:26

Discussing all of this is rather pointless though. We all know Draconian Times is PL's best.
It's the closest thing to a perfect goth rock album there is at the moment.


That italic part is the problem for me, I just don't like to listen to rock music. Sure, it's a very good album, but for me it's less great than PL's earlier releases. For some reason I love Shades of God (lengthy songs, great vocals and amazing solos) more than anything PL has ever released. After that there's Gothic and this one, but I still think Gothic beats this.
Erik M. - 02.12.2012 at 00:15  
Rating: 8
Written by NocturnalStalker on 05.03.2012 at 16:28

This is a fine debut album for a great band. It's very gloomy and harsh and that's why I like it. Though, I still prefer Gothic and Shades Of God.


Exactly my thoughts (like I said in my previous post). I've added this to my (rather incomplete feeling) debut albums list, since it definitely belongs there.
Mr. Doctor - 02.12.2012 at 00:25  
Rating: 9
Written by Erik M. on 02.12.2012 at 00:12
I just don't like to listen to rock music.


Huh, to me they were still metal enough on Draconian Times. Very light metal but metal nonetheless.
Erik M. - 02.12.2012 at 00:35  
Rating: 8
Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.12.2012 at 00:25

Huh, to me they were still metal enough on Draconian Times. Very light metal but metal nonetheless.


Yeah, I guess so... the thing is, the albums before Icon were much heavier and doomier (if that's even a word ), which is what I prefer. In my opinion, Icon and Draconian Times are extremely overrated, but that's not important for now.
Mr. Doctor - 02.12.2012 at 00:38  
Rating: 9
Written by Erik M. on 02.12.2012 at 00:35
In my opinion, Icon and Draconian Times are extremely overrated, but that's not important for now.


Not as overrated as Gothic tbh... That is THE overrated Paradise Lost album imo. Still wonder why I like this debut so much but find Gothic so meh at times.
Erik M. - 02.12.2012 at 00:49  
Rating: 8
Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.12.2012 at 00:38

Not as overrated as Gothic tbh... That is THE overrated Paradise Lost album imo. Still wonder why I like this debut so much but find Gothic so meh at times.


The first PL album I heard was In Requiem, and then I worked my way backwards (skipping a lot of albums): Draconian Times, then Icon, then Shades of God etc. After hearing Gothic I was convinced it was the most evil sounding PL album. That's what I thought at least until I heard their debut. So you might like it more because it's darker and more original. I think the tracks on Gothic are overall better, though the difference between these two albums isn't that great. What do you think of Shades of God?
Mr. Doctor - 02.12.2012 at 00:57  
Rating: 9
Written by Erik M. on 02.12.2012 at 00:49
What do you think of Shades of God?


Shades Of God is actually just a tiny bit behind Lost Paradise when it comes to my favorite PL albums. Love the longer songs and the riffs are fantastic there. More of a traditional heavy metal twist to their death/doom formula back in those days but still very creative. There's also a slight bit of thrash thrown on the riffs that I appreciate a lot. Draconian Times would probably be very close to Shades of God in the third place. Basically my top 3 is very close and completely different to each other which is cool since they all together cover the different aspects I admire from their classic period.
Erik M. - 02.12.2012 at 01:12  
Rating: 8
Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.12.2012 at 00:57

Shades Of God is actually just a tiny bit behind Lost Paradise when it comes to my favorite PL albums. Love the longer songs and the riffs are fantastic there. More of a traditional heavy metal twist to their death/doom formula back in those days but still very creative. There's also a slight bit of thrash thrown on the riffs that I appreciate a lot. Draconian Times would probably be very close to Shades of God in the third place. Basically my top 3 is very close and completely different to each other which is cool since they all together cover the different aspects I admire from their classic period.


Yeah I agree, it's definitely their most creative work in my opinion. I've always thought of Shades of God being a transitional album (Gothic and Icon are way different), but maybe that's what makes it so great. And indeed, the riffs and solos are amazing, overall a fantastic album. Gothic comes in at #2, with Lost Paradise as #3. After that Draconian Times and Icon, then In Requiem. Haven't heard any other albums, but I feel like I've heard their best work already.
Daggon - 10.04.2014 at 00:56  
Rating: 9 By far, their best release, I can't understand why most people think they are better playing Gothic metal...

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