Written by Guest on 09.10.2012 at 07:50

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.10.2012 at 07:20

Subjectively speaking

I mean, taking only the music into account, regardless of which one came first and which one "changed how I view music."

Which is still subjective and not objective
A personal opinion is never objective

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.10.2012 at 07:51

Which is still subjective and not objective
A personal opinion is never objective

I know. I was going to edit that into my comment, but yea. So let me rephrase: "Looking objectively at both albums, I subjectively conclude that Dar De Duh is a better album than OM."

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 09.10.2012 at 19:27

my dear fredd...I must say that you know nothing about rating an album...this isn't a better album than OM...the truth should be revealed to you in time by the ratings of the other members here on this site

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 09.10.2012 at 19:31

you should be banned from this site because you give this album an unreal value !

I'm quite honestly not sure if you are serious. I'll assume you're not, and laugh

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 09.10.2012 at 19:34

I'm afraid I am

OK. I respect your opinion.

Written by Guest on 09.10.2012 at 19:35

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 09.10.2012 at 19:34

I'm afraid I am

OK. I respect your opinion.

You should be banned for respecting an opinion, and this is my opinion which you should not respect.

Written by InnerSelf on 09.10.2012 at 19:58

You should be banned for respecting an opinion, and this is my opinion which you should not respect.

Yay, that means I'm not getting banned.

Written by InnerSelf on 09.10.2012 at 19:58

Written by Guest on 09.10.2012 at 19:35

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 09.10.2012 at 19:34

I'm afraid I am

OK. I respect your opinion.

You should be banned for respecting an opinion, and this is my opinion which you should not respect.

Honestly, I don't respect your any opinion. If you respect my opinion, I'll respect you a lot.

^ AHEM... is it me or... wellyouknowwhatanyways

Written by Guest on 10.10.2012 at 23:08

^ AHEM... is it me or... wellyouknowwhatanyways

It's definitely not you :|
To get back on topic ... I have heard this 5 or 6 times until now and I still find new things every time I listen to it, a monster of an album.

Written by InnerSelf on 11.10.2012 at 00:31

Written by Guest on 10.10.2012 at 23:08

^ AHEM... is it me or... wellyouknowwhatanyways

It's definitely not you :|
To get back on topic ... I have heard this 5 or 6 times until now and I still find new things every time I listen to it, a monster of an album.

Uhh... well, actually, I wanted to point something out without being too discrete. :|

Written by Guest on 11.10.2012 at 00:33

Uhh... well, actually, I wanted to point something out without being too discrete. :|

I think I know what you are getting at there Mech.

About this album, I would agree that it isn't as good as Om, though the atmosphere is certainly on the same level. Just a lot less going on I think, there isn't as much prog black happening, more of an atmospheric folk.

By the way, Fredd was perfectly in line when he said "Objectively speaking, I like this more." If we put aside the mess that is the meaning of "objective" and "subjective" (two of the most abused words in our language), there's nothing problematic about saying your preference is an objective state of affairs. It's a psychological state that can be observed and experienced. If Fredd likes this better, he likes this better, and that fact doesn't change based on your perspective. "Subject A prefers X over Y" is not unlike saying "the patient is having an epileptic seizure", and both can theoretically be observed with enough data.

Whether he should like this better is another matter. I wouldn't say it's so much about subjective vs objective as it is about descriptive and normative.

He could have lied or he could have been mistaken, though. But usually you're right about your personal preferences, so I'm inclined to say not only was his statement a valid objective statement but it was also true.

About the album: dunno, nice enough.

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 11.10.2012 at 18:34

fredd is simply a stupid kid

says the totally stupid one

Written by IronAngel on 11.10.2012 at 12:38

By the way, Fredd was perfectly in line when he said "Objectively speaking, I like this more." If we put aside the mess that is the meaning of "objective" and "subjective" (two of the most abused words in our language), there's nothing problematic about saying your preference is an objective state of affairs. It's a psychological state that can be observed and experienced. If Fredd likes this better, he likes this better, and that fact doesn't change based on your perspective. "Subject A prefers X over Y" is not unlike saying "the patient is having an epileptic seizure", and both can theoretically be observed with enough data.

Whether he should like this better is another matter. I wouldn't say it's so much about subjective vs objective as it is about descriptive and normative.

He could have lied or he could have been mistaken, though. But usually you're right about your personal preferences, so I'm inclined to say not only was his statement a valid objective statement but it was also true.

About the album: dunno, nice enough.

I agree that "Objective vs Subjective" is a mess but I didnt mean it that way (I'm not a native speaker of this language) You and Marcel are both right as it seems to me, by the way.
Anyway, I meant "looking at both albums only by the merit of their musical content and not by their history, influences or impact (this is what I meant by objective), I liked (subjective here; me) Dar De Duh better." ON TOPIC: yes, I preferred this album's folky atmosphere.

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Yeah but to be accurate, it's not a subjective statement to say "I like." The liking itself may be your personal, subjective reaction, but it's a very objective fact that you like or don't like something.

That may be semantics, but Marcel started it!

Written by IronAngel on 11.10.2012 at 19:18

Yeah but to be accurate, it's not a subjective statement to say "I like." The liking itself may be your personal, subjective reaction, but it's a very objective fact that you like or don't like something.

That may be semantics, but Marcel started it!

A subjective statement would be "Dar De Duh is better than Om." Yes. COLOURLESS GREEN IDEAS SLEEP FURIOUSLY.

I'll elaborate...

Objective: This band uses electric guitars with distorted riffs

Subjective: This band has great riffs

I listened to this this morning and enjoyed it a lot; some people apparently missed more screaming and growling to this album, I wanted more folklore . There is plenty for everybody to enjoy on this album: there is the extreme side of things with black and death metal influences, there is a great atmosphere with the folklore and keyboards use and there is the folklore influence. Great album!

Such a friendly fellow.

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 12.10.2012 at 13:43

Written by R'Vannith on 12.10.2012 at 12:24

Such a friendly fellow.

he started it

Was there a need to continue it?

I think Ethica started it by calling Fredd a stupid kid

Haha, Ethica plummeted into a nosedive pretty rapidly.

Sometimes you have to take a step back and laugh at how incredibly irate and whiney people get over the internet when one's opinion is not shared, and of course the ensuing breakdowns of logic and inevitable wild personal attacks that follow.

You sir sound like an absolute tit and a crybaby and you should be aware that everyone here considers you to be just that. Now go play in the sand with the other children.

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 12.10.2012 at 15:13

would you like to come with me and play ?

Sorry, my playground resides in logic, good
humour and intellect. Three areas you've yet to
visit.

Just so everyone knows. EthicaOdini85 is Irinel. He sent his FB account to MechanisT

Why was Irinel banned again?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.10.2012 at 14:19

I think Ethica started it by calling Fredd a stupid kid

which made me laugh, honestly

Written by Guest on 12.10.2012 at 17:00

Just so everyone knows. EthicaOdini85 is Irinel. He sent his FB account to MechanisT

Why was Irinel banned again?

Shoutbox-related retardation I think.

Written by Guest on 12.10.2012 at 17:08

Written by Guest on 12.10.2012 at 17:00

Just so everyone knows. EthicaOdini85 is Irinel. He sent his FB account to MechanisT

Why was Irinel banned again?

Shoutbox-related retardation I think.

and blatant racism in the shoutbox as well (which is of course retardation to the max)

I agree with the idiot of the thread, nowhere near as good as Om.

@EthicaOdini85 Wow! Not a moron at all!!

On topic: No, it's not even close to Om, but it's still an exceptional album worthy of a solid 9 (at least).