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Release date: 21 September 2012
Style: Black metal, Krautrock

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7.9 | 36 votes

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Disc I
01. I
02. II
03. III
04. IV

Disc II
01. V
02. VI
03. VII
04. VIII


Line-up
Shantidas "Diamargareton" Riedacker - guitars
Antoine Hadjioannou - drums
Matthieu "Url" Canaguier - bass

Staff pick by
!J.O.O.E.!

22.11.2012 Not strictly metal anymore. if they ever really were; their krautish, noisy interpretation of black metal seems to have been put on hold for the time being (aside from the first track; a black metal number), but this is arguably album of the year nonetheless. If you have any love of Skullflower's early droning, noise rock days and krautrock's trippy psychedelia then this should be right up your gasse.



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!J.O.O.E.! - 22.11.2012 at 01:42  
Rating: 10 Yeah! This album is terrible.

I'll bang a review for this at some point soon methinks.
Alex Fenger - 22.11.2012 at 01:43  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 22.11.2012 at 01:42

Yeah! This album is terrible.

Lol. 9 now equals terrible. The rating system has flipped
Been listening to this for a few days, really liking it.
!J.O.O.E.! - 22.11.2012 at 01:45  
Rating: 10
Written by Alex Fenger on 22.11.2012 at 01:43

Lol. 9 now equals terrible. The rating system has flipped
Been listening to this for a few days, really liking it.

Well, I've seen people hand out 10s whilst simultaneously highlighting weakness in said album, so it wouldn't be the craziest thing to happen

I love the early Skullflowery-ness of this so very much.
Alex Fenger - 22.11.2012 at 01:46  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 22.11.2012 at 01:45

Well, I've seen people hand out 10s whilst simultaneously highlighting weakness in said album, so it wouldn't be the craziest thing to happen

I love the early Skullflowery-ness of this so very much.

I've been thinking about purchasing the vinyl version of this. It's been taking up so much of my time recently
!J.O.O.E.! - 22.11.2012 at 01:49  
Rating: 10
Written by Alex Fenger on 22.11.2012 at 01:46

I've been thinking about purchasing the vinyl version of this. It's been taking up so much of my time recently

I can think of worse things to spend money on. Chocolate flavoured poo; dogs with no legs; a copy of Windows 8; a ticket to see Alan Carr live; tofu; Rogaine. These are just some of those things.
Alex Fenger - 22.11.2012 at 01:51  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 22.11.2012 at 01:49

I can think of worse things to spend money on. Chocolate flavoured poo; dogs with no legs; a copy of Windows 8; a ticket to see Alan Carr live; tofu; Rogaine. These are just some of those things.

"a copy of Windows 8". I lol'd
I'm probably going to buy it (not Windows 8, the album)
Ag Fox - 22.11.2012 at 04:54  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 22.11.2012 at 01:49

Written by Alex Fenger on 22.11.2012 at 01:46

I've been thinking about purchasing the vinyl version of this. It's been taking up so much of my time recently

I can think of worse things to spend money on. Chocolate flavoured poo; dogs with no legs; a copy of Windows 8; a ticket to see Alan Carr live; tofu; Rogaine. These are just some of those things.
is windows 8 that bad?
love this album btw
!J.O.O.E.! - 22.11.2012 at 05:09  
Rating: 10
Written by Ag Fox on 22.11.2012 at 04:54

is windows 8 that bad?
love this album btw

To be honest I don't know, but it doesn't great look from I've seen. More importantly, why would anyone ever pay for an operating system =P
Alex Fenger - 22.11.2012 at 05:22  
Rating: 9
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 22.11.2012 at 05:09

Written by Ag Fox on 22.11.2012 at 04:54

is windows 8 that bad?
love this album btw

To be honest I don't know, but it doesn't great look from I've seen. More importantly, why would anyone ever pay for an operating system =P

It is... it is absolutely putrid.
This album on the other hand is the opposite of putrid. It's completely mesmerizing. I can't stop listening to it.
Pazdzioch - 22.11.2012 at 16:50  
  I'm damn curious about this album by you guys. Will check asap.
Druss - 22.11.2012 at 19:11  
Rating: 7 Curious myself, also, what's ''Krautrock''?
!J.O.O.E.! - 22.11.2012 at 19:19  
Rating: 10
Written by Druss on 22.11.2012 at 19:11

Curious myself, also, what's ''Krautrock''?

A style that came out of Germany in the late 60s and 70s that centered around experimental and progressive styles of rock, usually quite psychedelic in nature. Check out the likes of Amon Düül II, Faust, Cluster, Harmonia, Can etc.
LeKiwi - 23.11.2012 at 11:16  
Rating: 4 The trudging rate of song progression is incredulous....Riffs linger for minutes on end and when the change finally occurs, it frequently sounds near identical to the previous motif....It seems to me that the only possible way to enjoy this style would be to lay prone and do nothing else, which beats the purpose of music IMO as I feel its purpose should be versatile.
Marcel Hubregtse - 23.11.2012 at 12:47  
Rating: 8
Written by LeKiwi on 23.11.2012 at 11:16

The trudging rate of song progression is incredulous....Riffs linger for minutes on end and when the change finally occurs, it frequently sounds near identical to the previous motif....It seems to me that the only possible way to enjoy this style would be to lay prone and do nothing else, which beats the purpose of music IMO as I feel its purpose should be versatile.



why does music have to be versatile according to you?

when someone says something like what you just said I always check their favourite band list.

The if you think the purpose of music is to be versatile how can it be you have Amon Amarth amongst your favourites. Then you could do with one song of theirs. They are like the AC/DC of melodic death metal when it comes to versatility.
InnerSelf - 23.11.2012 at 12:53  
Rating: 9
Written by LeKiwi on 23.11.2012 at 11:16

IMO as I feel its purpose should be versatile.

Music shouldn't be anything There's more to Aluk Todolo than just a few riffs leading to one another ... repetition is the band's build up tool, a single bass line progresses into a vortex of space-ish soundscape as the guitars layer one by one. I fail to see Occult Rock as a riff driven album which is the case with almost every album that employs Noise elements.
LeKiwi - 23.11.2012 at 13:17  
Rating: 4
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 23.11.2012 at 12:47

why does music have to be versatile according to you?

when someone says something like what you just said I always check their favourite band list.

The if you think the purpose of music is to be versatile how can it be you have Amon Amarth amongst your favourites. Then you could do with one song of theirs. They are like the AC/DC of melodic death metal when it comes to versatility.


I'm not talking about versatility in relation to any structural aspect, I'm referring applicability in day to day life, e.g. Amon Amarth can be used simultaneously while studying, exercising, procrastinating on the internet, and various other occasions, whereas this band creates music that appears to be limited to an audience willing to sacrifice their full concentration in order to absorb the emotions within the pieces. I'm not critising, I am merely stating that I find it difficult to acknowledge how it is feasible to be predisposed towards this genre without giving up so much time to enjoy it
InnerSelf - 23.11.2012 at 13:21  
Rating: 9 I actually listen to this while studying, while in the bus and while reading ... this album (and this kind of music) is the Swiss knife of albums to me
LeKiwi - 23.11.2012 at 13:25  
Rating: 4
Written by InnerSelf on 23.11.2012 at 13:21

I actually listen to this while studying, while in the bus and while reading ... this album (and this kind of music) is the Swiss knife of albums to me


It simply seems that if I was performing any other task, I would lose sight of the progression and only be mildly aware of a considerably under-produced song in the background xD
Marcel Hubregtse - 23.11.2012 at 13:31  
Rating: 8 I can't see a problem with just listening to music and doing nothing else. I do that quite often. Great way to unwind.

Music is to be heard and not to be used as some background stuff while doing other stuff imo. Why would one go to a concert?
!J.O.O.E.! - 23.11.2012 at 14:07  
Rating: 10 Sorry, dude. You lost me when used mass-produced metal music like Amon Amarth as a point of comparison

Then again, If there's any music that needs zero attention it's that so you may have had a point

Written by LeKiwi on 23.11.2012 at 11:16
Amon Amarth can be used simultaneously while studying, exercising, procrastinating on the internet, and various other occasions, whereas this band creates music that appears to be limited to an audience willing to sacrifice their full concentration in order to absorb the emotions within the pieces. whereas this band creates music that appears to be limited to an audience willing to sacrifice their full concentration in order to absorb the emotions within the pieces. I'm not critising, I am merely stating that I find it difficult to acknowledge how it is feasible to be predisposed towards this genre without giving up so much time to enjoy it


Don't presume that everyone has the same level of comprehension of music as you do. People have different listening tastes and habits. Not only is it feasible, it's completely plausible and logical. Standard, structured music like Amon Amarth begs direct listening to enjoy it on the level it was intended. It's based on simplistic, conventional structures and melodies which don't lend well to a kind of secondary, background listening (aside from simple familiarity). The nature of this record however works extremely well in that regard, much like anti-structure music like ambient and noise etc, it moves from the structured to the textural. Your point of comparisons don't really hold up too well as you're effectively trying to cross-compare two incompatible styles. You speak of versatility in regard to Amon Amarth, but the only reason I can fathom it would be to you is because it's easy to follow on a conscious level, requires very little effort etc. You're trying to analyse Aluk Todolo on a similar plane of thought. For this reason your conclusions seem based on rather personal bias in my opinion: you don't really like it; therefore it would be universally considered difficult to listen to. I can assure you that my brain is far more comfortable listening to this than Amon Amarth My brain would become extremely restless after a couple of songs as true repetition would set in. I also have trouble working to anything with a semblance of structure, and even more if there are vocals etc. Ambient and noise music are both well known for their meditative qualities.

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The trudging rate of song progression is incredulous....Riffs linger for minutes on end and when the change finally occurs, it frequently sounds near identical to the previous motif....It seems to me that the only possible way to enjoy this style would be to lay prone and do nothing else, which beats the purpose of music IMO as I feel its purpose should be versatile. I don't know that for sure but a quick glance at your favourite bands makes me think that would be the case.


The ultimate issue being that this is an indictment of entire modes of music discourse, not just this band. If you ever came to explore genres beyond the scope of metal's difficulty of comprehension and styles that eschew structure and melody I think you'd be employing this argument for every band.




Your brain is far more sophisticated than you give it credit for. You don't have have to always consciously listen to music to derive satisfaction and enjoyment from it.
Mr. Doctor - 23.11.2012 at 18:45  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 23.11.2012 at 13:31
Music is to be heard and not to be used as some background stuff while doing other stuff imo.



Hmmm depends for me. Old Earth albums and Sunn O))) are some of my favorite stuff to listen to while studying... But I also love to listen to them and just float.
Boxcar Willy - 23.11.2012 at 18:53  
Rating: 9 Good shiet.
IronAngel - 23.11.2012 at 21:42  
  I think ideal music should work both on the background and as active listening. This album does.
Slayer666 - 24.11.2012 at 19:19  
Rating: 7 Needs moar metal.

I prefer the 1st track to the others, because it feels more focused somehow. The rest is a bit too stretched-out/samey for it's own good. Kinda feels like it lacks some climax or something. And that bass can be annoying as hell.

Good stuff, but could have been much better.
!J.O.O.E.! - 24.11.2012 at 19:24  
Rating: 10
Written by Slayer666 on 24.11.2012 at 19:19

Needs moar metal.

I prefer the 1st track to the others, because it feels more focused somehow. The rest is a bit too stretched-out/samey for it's own good. Kinda feels like it lacks some climax or something. And that bass can be annoying as hell.

Good stuff, but could have been much better.

I always skip the first song If you ask me the album would have been made better if they left it on the cutting room floor.
Marcel Hubregtse - 24.11.2012 at 19:38  
Rating: 8 The first song is by far the least interesting song on the album.
!J.O.O.E.! - 24.11.2012 at 19:49  
Rating: 10 Indeed, and I quite often disregard albums based on one song so I'm thankful I didn't hear that one first.
Slayer666 - 24.11.2012 at 20:48  
Rating: 7 The first track reminds me a bit of Lurker of Chalice, actually, specially near the end. So that's definitively a plus.
InnerSelf - 25.11.2012 at 00:21  
Rating: 9
Written by Slayer666 on 24.11.2012 at 19:19

I prefer the 1st track to the others, because it feels more focused somehow. The rest is a bit too stretched-out/samey for it's own good. Kinda feels like it lacks some climax or something. And that bass can be annoying as hell.

You pretty much summed up what I like about the album while mentioning the stuff that you hate
Alex Fenger - 27.11.2012 at 03:03  
Rating: 9
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.11.2012 at 19:38

The first song is by far the least interesting song on the album.

Least interesting, maybe. But it's still great.
Pazdzioch - 27.11.2012 at 14:35  
  Damn, I need to bite my tongue and say that this is my contender for AOTY (maybe 10 in the future). Listen to it over and over again and never get bored. I must admit also that haven't heard about blackened krautrock until now. Big thanks to Jooe and your staff pick!
!J.O.O.E.! - 27.11.2012 at 14:42  
Rating: 10
Written by Pazdzioch on 27.11.2012 at 14:35

Damn, I need to bite my tongue and say that this is my contender for AOTY (maybe 10 in the future). Listen to it over and over again and never get bored. I must admit also that haven't heard about blackened krautrock until now. Big thanks to Jooe and your staff pick!

My pleasure xD
Boxcar Willy - 27.11.2012 at 14:50  
Rating: 9 Track II makes my motor run.
Guib - 28.11.2012 at 23:51  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 23.11.2012 at 13:31

I can't see a problem with just listening to music and doing nothing else. I do that quite often. Great way to unwind.

Music is to be heard and not to be used as some background stuff while doing other stuff imo. Why would one go to a concert?


Totally agree with Marcel on that one... how possible. But yeah I often just sit there and do nothing but listen to music, I mean why not ? I love music
Marcel Hubregtse - 28.11.2012 at 23:57  
Rating: 8
Written by Guib on 28.11.2012 at 23:51



Totally agree with Marcel on that one... how possible.


AT times it is possible

remember I was a HUGE thrasher when thrash started out and hit the big time back in the day SO there's a bit in common. Shame you would ever be able to feel the same excillearion (wrong spelling I know) we original thrashers felt when the genre was original and totally grond breaking and the harshest thing around
Guib - 28.11.2012 at 23:59  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2012 at 23:57

Written by Guib on 28.11.2012 at 23:51



Totally agree with Marcel on that one... how possible.

Shame you would ever be able to feel the same excillearion (wrong spelling I know) we original thrashers felt when the genre was original and totally grond breaking and the harshest thing around


Nah, I felt just the same when I first heard ''Show No Mercy'' and ''Kill Em' All'' for the first time hahaha
Marcel Hubregtse - 29.11.2012 at 00:04  
Rating: 8
Written by Guib on 28.11.2012 at 23:59

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2012 at 23:57

Written by Guib on 28.11.2012 at 23:51



Totally agree with Marcel on that one... how possible.

Shame you would ever be able to feel the same excillearion (wrong spelling I know) we original thrashers felt when the genre was original and totally grond breaking and the harshest thing around


Nah, I felt just the same when I first heard ''Show No Mercy'' and ''Kill Em' All'' for the first time hahaha



no you didn't because when you heard it it wasn't the most extreme thing around wheeras when I heard it it was
Mr. Doctor - 29.11.2012 at 00:06  
  We got it dude. We fail at music because we are young! Now back on topic and get easy on the quotes.
!J.O.O.E.! - 29.11.2012 at 00:08  
Rating: 10
Written by Mr. Doctor on 29.11.2012 at 00:06

We got it dude. We fail at music because we are young! Now back on topic and get easy on the quotes.

Don't dictate to us how we have our conversations.
Marcel Hubregtse - 29.11.2012 at 00:12  
Rating: 8
Written by Mr. Doctor on 29.11.2012 at 00:06

We got it dude. We fail at music because we are young! Now back on topic and get easy on the quotes.



this was easy on the quotes. Who the fuck do you think you are dictating a mod like me about the quoting?
Mr. Doctor - 29.11.2012 at 00:13  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.11.2012 at 00:12
this was easy on the quotes. Who the fuck do you think you are dictating a mod like me about the quoting?


Still offtopic though




(hahahaha, totally wasn't expecting such comments)
Marcel Hubregtse - 29.11.2012 at 00:14  
Rating: 8
Written by Mr. Doctor on 29.11.2012 at 00:13


(hahahaha, totally wasn't expecting such comments)


yep I know you weren't hahahaha
!J.O.O.E.! - 29.11.2012 at 00:15  
Rating: 10
Written by Mr. Doctor on 29.11.2012 at 00:13


Still offtopic though




(hahahaha, totally wasn't expecting such comments)

Be careful Rod, you're giving away the secrets of the site.
Marcel Hubregtse - 29.11.2012 at 00:21  
Rating: 8
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 29.11.2012 at 00:15

Be careful Rod, you're giving away the secrets of the site.


yep, and before you know it a certain someone will go bonkers over that
Guib - 29.11.2012 at 00:24  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.11.2012 at 00:12

Written by Mr. Doctor on 29.11.2012 at 00:06

We got it dude. We fail at music because we are young! Now back on topic and get easy on the quotes.



this was easy on the quotes. Who the fuck do you think you are dictating a mod like me about the quoting?


Maybe not ''at the time'' but for me it was, just think about it, the very first heavy metal band I really liked was Maiden, and then I found Thrash... So for me, it was the most extreme at the time So yeah, my argument is still valid But I understand what you mean.
Boxcar Willy - 29.11.2012 at 00:48  
Rating: 9 So yeah... Music 'n shit.
LeKiwi - 29.01.2013 at 00:41  
Rating: 4 And I thought doom was repetitive and dull...
Boxcar Willy - 29.01.2013 at 01:02  
Rating: 9
Written by LeKiwi on 29.01.2013 at 00:41

And I thought doom was repetitive and dull...

We get it, you don't like it.
Marcel Hubregtse - 29.01.2013 at 01:06  
Rating: 8
Written by LeKiwi on 29.01.2013 at 00:41

And I thought doom was repetitive and dull...


Surprise, surprise it appeals to us hardline doomsters as well

But I love how you find this and doom repetitive and ull when a lot of the bands you seem to love are just as repetitive and dull but in a different way.
LeKiwi - 29.01.2013 at 01:13  
Rating: 4
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.01.2013 at 01:06

Written by LeKiwi on 29.01.2013 at 00:41

And I thought doom was repetitive and dull...


Surprise, surprise it appeals to us hardline doomsters as well

But I love how you find this and doom repetitive and ull when a lot of the bands you seem to love are just as repetitive and dull but in a different way.


Haha I guess I'm not that surprised There's not many memorable aspects to the album, it must be something you have to enjoy whilst distracted by some other activity or lying in bed waiting for the next riff to emerge 4 minutes down the line xD

I feel there has to be has to be a degree of repetitiveness in all music otherwise it would prove inconclusive, but this is over the top (obviously imo).

Just out of curiosity which music were you referring to in particular? I'm guessing Amon Amarth numbers somewhere among that list

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