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Release date: 20 September 2013
Style: Progressive metal

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Disc I [CD]
01. False Awakening Suite
    1 - Sleep Paralysis
    2 - Night Terrors
    3 - Lucid Dream
02. The Enemy Inside
03. The Looking Glass
04. Enigma Machine
05. The Bigger Picture
06. Behind The Veil
07. Surrender To Reason
08. Along For The Ride
09. Illumination Theory
    1 - Paradoxe De La Lumière Noire
    2 - Live, Die, Kill
    3 - The Embracing Circle
    4 - The Pursuit Of Truth
    5 - Surrender, Trust & Passion

Disc II [DVD][deluxe edition bonus]
01. 5.1 Audio Mix

Lyrics (9)


Line-up
Kevin James LaBrie - vocals
Jordan Charles Rudess - keyboards
John Peter Petrucci - guitars, backing vocals
Michael "Mike" Mangini - drums
John Ro Myung - bass


Additional info
Released as:

Standard album:
- Features the nine-track disc and a 28-page booklet designed Hugh Syme.

Deluxe Edition CD
- The digipak includes a bonus disc of 5.1 audio mix and expanded packaging by Juno Award winning graphic artist, Hugh Syme.

180-gram 2-LP
- Embossed gatefold vinyl

Limited Edition collector's box set bundle
- Custom 2GB Majesty Symbol USB Stick containing:
* Isolated stems of "Behind The Veil"
* Take This For The Pain (Mike Mangini Audition Improv Jam)" - 30 minute documentary.
- Exclusive 7" of "The Bigger Picture" on clear vinyl, wrapped and sealed with a custom wax seal.
- Gel-skin iDots of Majesty Symbol for iPhone.
- 2-Disc embossed Deluxe Edition digi with bonus disc of 5.1 audio mix + expanded packaging.
- 180-gram 2-LP embossed gatefold vinyl with high quality FLAC files of full album.
- Artwork by Hugh Syme.

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Darth Mitchell - 21.09.2013 at 20:18  
Rating: 8 Really great album. Has a kind of movie soundtrack feel to it with the orchestrated parts. Much better than ADTOE. The strong thing of this album in my opinion is the difference in songs and the shorter playtimes of some songs. And "Enigma Machine" is a briljant instrumental piece. And as I had with ADTOE, I here don't have any song that feels out of place/boring. Can't wait to see them play 'Illumination Theory' live
musicalkaratekid - 21.09.2013 at 23:49  
Rating: 6 Eh, it's ok but simply another Dt album for me. 'The enigma machine' and naturally closer 'Illumination theory' are absolutely brilliant, but the other songs don't offer anywhere near as much creativity for me.
Iron Nostarion - 22.09.2013 at 03:56  
Rating: 10 Amazing! What they could pull off without Portnoy NOR Moore (no I'm not that outdated but you get me; 2 and 3 were the best) is actually surprising, considering A Dramatic Turn Of Events had the most boring drums, the most yawny moments in a DT album, and the most crappy production of a DT album behind the first one. At first listen, I was like.. "impressive chocolate cake but meh", at second I liked more songs, and at seventh currently, I admit this is... hugely awesome. I gave it a 10 simply because.. it's perfect to my tastes; perfect! Shorter songs then an epic, everything just.. mhmhmhmhmrurughghghg... I'm gonna have to review this a few months later to actually point out what I liked and didn't and sound more objective. But woah, guys. They've outdone themselves.

(P.S. Certainly not as mindblowing as Scenes, Awake, IAW or 6DOIT Disc 2, but as high quality as TOT with a slight bit more).
Hex_Omega - 22.09.2013 at 14:19  
Rating: 7 Hm... hm... hm... So far it is still nothing special for me... I don't like the sound of this album, with the exception of bass. Musically it is like Dream Theater + Rush + Nevermore. 7/10 for now.
AndMetalForAll - 22.09.2013 at 14:58  
Rating: 8 Finally we could see a glimpse of what Dream Theater used to be... globally it's a good album with very good performance by John Petrucci, Mike Mangini and Jordan Rudess. I'm not to keen on two tracks but the rest of the album seems consistent enough to have a 8/10.
3rdWorld - 23.09.2013 at 08:23  
  Sub-par production. Drums sound really bad. Decent album but not worthy to be their s/t.
Hex_Omega - 23.09.2013 at 09:57  
Rating: 7
Written by 3rdWorld on 23.09.2013 at 08:23

Sub-par production. Drums sound really bad. Decent album but not worthy to be their s/t.

Agree 100%
Azarath - 23.09.2013 at 20:38  
Rating: 6 Checked out the stream 2 times last week and I have now listened to the CD a couple of times over the weekend. It doesn't grab me. Some of the songs are ok and the album will probably grow on me - Dream Theater's stuff usually takes a while to sink in - but so far it's pretty underwhelming. It's too early to give a rating, but I suspect it will end up around a 6 or 7. Right now it's in the bottom four of DT albums.
x-avier - 23.09.2013 at 21:59  
  Great album, actually the best I heard from them since Train of Thought.. they mixed various moments of their career and I think they did it very well..

P.D: I didn't miss MP on this one..
Hollberr - 24.09.2013 at 06:20  
Rating: 5 For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.
diamondblack - 24.09.2013 at 16:19  
Rating: 10
Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.


Hi Hollberr,

What you consider a professionally made album? If you recon that DT is amateurs. I'd like to know your opinion.
Lethrokai - 24.09.2013 at 19:17  
Rating: 7
Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.


What comes a minute after it is still music, and possibly one of the greatest ways they could have finished off the album. That one section alone was what showed me that DT actually can make simple, decent, emotion-tugging music. One of my favourite parts of any of their songs, period. Possibly some of the best music for reminiscence or reflection that I've heard.

I don't know how you could consider that part to be irrelevant when it was like the band was personally gift wrapping the album for you.
Hollberr - 25.09.2013 at 06:23  
Rating: 5
Quote:
Quote:


Hi Hollberr,

What you consider a professionally made album? If you recon that DT is amateurs. I'd like to know your opinion.


This album seems amateurish to me because it has no internal structure. Songs like Behind the Veil, Surrender to Reason, and Illumination Theory are poorly structured, and each have very questionnable transitions (for example the acoustic part in Surrender to Reason. I still don't get that).
The album is full of generic, tasteless choruses. It seems they tried to keep the heavy, popish sound of ADTOE (like Outcry of Bridges in the Sky), but failed in making their melodies as catchy.
Also the album seems too much compressed. Drums sounds almost fake, especially the snare. Labrie sings too high at the end of Illumination Theory and screws the possibly beautiful solo of Petrucci (we only hear half, first half being hidden by Labrie's now disgusting high voice.

I can recognize the goods also. Petrucci's sound is fantastic, Myung is back in the mix, Enemy Inside is great, and Mangini rocks the drums. Individually they are phenomenal, but to my taste and to what level I'm used to with these guys, they made a poor album.
Hollberr - 25.09.2013 at 06:38  
Rating: 5
Written by Lethrokai on 24.09.2013 at 19:17

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.


What comes a minute after it is still music, and possibly one of the greatest ways they could have finished off the album. That one section alone was what showed me that DT actually can make simple, decent, emotion-tugging music. One of my favourite parts of any of their songs, period. Possibly some of the best music for reminiscence or reflection that I've heard.

I don't know how you could consider that part to be irrelevant when it was like the band was personally gift wrapping the album for you.


I have nothing against gift wrapping an album. Beneath the Surface was a nice way to gift wrap ADTOE. But Illumination Theory still ends at 19min07. What comes after is still irrelevant, gift wrapping or not, beautiful or not. But then, the song has a poor structure so why not?
Lethrokai - 25.09.2013 at 16:05  
Rating: 7
Written by Hollberr on 25.09.2013 at 06:38

Written by Lethrokai on 24.09.2013 at 19:17

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.


What comes a minute after it is still music, and possibly one of the greatest ways they could have finished off the album. That one section alone was what showed me that DT actually can make simple, decent, emotion-tugging music. One of my favourite parts of any of their songs, period. Possibly some of the best music for reminiscence or reflection that I've heard.

I don't know how you could consider that part to be irrelevant when it was like the band was personally gift wrapping the album for you.


I have nothing against gift wrapping an album. Beneath the Surface was a nice way to gift wrap ADTOE. But Illumination Theory still ends at 19min07. What comes after is still irrelevant, gift wrapping or not, beautiful or not. But then, the song has a poor structure so why not?


Ah, I see what you mean now. Still don't exactly agree with the whole "irrelevant" thing, but to each man his own.
Ravenous - 26.09.2013 at 15:16  
Rating: 9 If you love Rush and DT then this is it.
Opethian - 27.09.2013 at 02:32  
Rating: 8 Sounds like i should stay away from this one for awhile
Opethian - 27.09.2013 at 02:33  
Rating: 8
Written by Ravenous on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.


I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at
Lethrokai - 27.09.2013 at 14:04  
Rating: 7
Written by Ravenous on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.

Pretty much this, except Megadeth should possibly be added as well. The more metal songs at points sounded like a progressive version of Megadeth.
Mc_Twist - 27.09.2013 at 14:51  
Rating: 5 They're doing the same album again and again.
Not bad but could be MUCH better!
Nicko's Nose - 27.09.2013 at 22:53  
Rating: 8 The same album again and again? What the fuck? This album sounds nothing like Systematic Chaos or BC&SL.
Daniell - 27.09.2013 at 23:03  
Rating: 8
Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.


Whether or not you like the album is entirely your business, and that's fine with me. But what you said here is beyond ridiculous. You're either deaf or insane.
Warman - 27.09.2013 at 23:56  
Rating: 8 I think it's really good, but nowhere near my Dream Theater standards. The only songs which really stands out for me are "The Looking Glass" and "Along for the Ride". The rest is absolutely good, but they don't make me wanna come back over and over again.
Hex_Omega - 28.09.2013 at 10:24  
Rating: 7 Very radical opinions about this album. No surprise for me, since every new DT album since Six Degrees is quite controversial.
K†ulu - 28.09.2013 at 18:14  
Rating: 7 This album obviously needs some time, but still this is pretty standard DT stuff. I keep thinking of Images and Words on many songs, but False Awakening Suite really surprised me: I like that kind of epic music. Besides that intro, there is no song which I like in its entirety, but overall the album is heavily good.
MaxDP - 29.09.2013 at 05:48  
 
Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.


I totally agree with Hollberr,
This album is way too uninspired for such a band, i liked about 2 songs on the whole album (enigma and illumination theory) but the rest are really bad songs. If you compare this album to other prog stuff, you can see they aren't a force in progressive metal anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love DT, they are great musicians but their newests album aren't good at all. James Labrie's vocals are so boring, hell Rebecca Black sings better...
They should have named this album all filler no killers...
Ravenous - 29.09.2013 at 13:23  
Rating: 9
Written by Opethian on 27.09.2013 at 02:33

Written by Ravenous on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.


I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at


Never heard of Ayreon.
Masonics - 29.09.2013 at 13:46  
Rating: 8
Written by MaxDP on 29.09.2013 at 05:48

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.


I totally agree with Hollberr,
This album is way too uninspired for such a band, i liked about 2 songs on the whole album (enigma and illumination theory) but the rest are really bad songs. If you compare this album to other prog stuff, you can see they aren't a force in progressive metal anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love DT, they are great musicians but their newests album aren't good at all. James Labrie's vocals are so boring, hell Rebecca Black sings better...
They should have named this album all filler no killers...



No band singer can sound worse than Rebecca black! Thats Treason to suggest!
Hex_Omega - 29.09.2013 at 14:50  
Rating: 7
Written by Ravenous on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence
Marcel Hubregtse - 29.09.2013 at 16:28  
 
Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by Ravenous on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence



be glad someone has actually not heard of that overrated Arjan Lucassen project
Lethrokai - 29.09.2013 at 23:11  
Rating: 7
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.09.2013 at 16:28

Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by Ravenous on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence



be glad someone has actually not heard of that overrated Arjan Lucassen project


Overrated it may be, but it's one of the only overrated projects that actually deserves and earns the hype it gets.
JohnDoe - 30.09.2013 at 11:27  
 
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:


I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at


Never heard of Ayreon.


best answer EVER!
Ravenous - 30.09.2013 at 16:58  
Rating: 9
Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by Ravenous on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence


C'mon =( I was listening to metal since I was 7.
Groby94 - 30.09.2013 at 18:47  
Rating: 10
Written by Ravenous on 30.09.2013 at 16:58

Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by Ravenous on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence


C'mon =( I was listening to metal since I was 7.


Give them a try if you haven't listened to them yet, it's worth it . You can't really compare Ayreon with DT. Except for the fact that they both are prog bands, they don't have anything similar, in my opinion. But in terms of quality, both are amazing bands. I still prefer DT though .
Opethian - 02.10.2013 at 04:03  
Rating: 8
Written by Ravenous on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Written by Opethian on 27.09.2013 at 02:33

Written by Ravenous on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.


I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at


Never heard of Ayreon.


.................................................. Into the Electric Castle RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!
Hollberr - 02.10.2013 at 07:44  
Rating: 5
Written by Daniell on 27.09.2013 at 23:03

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.


Whether or not you like the album is entirely your business, and that's fine with me. But what you said here is beyond ridiculous. You're either deaf or insane.


And you're either retarded or disrespectful.
I didn't say it WAS an album made by amateurs, I said I FELT like it was an album made by amateurs. There's so much bad stuff in this album, and so few hot spots in their songs, that to me it really doesn't seem like they're been doing this for 25 years. Or maybe the opposite. It's been 25 years and now they're not inspired anymore. I don't know. But one thing I do know is that I hate this album. And that it's fine with you.
Carl Berg - 02.10.2013 at 12:54  
Rating: 5 This is truly a disappointment for me - most songs sound like they're meant for the radio, 4/4 time signatures overwhelm the most part of the album, solos just for the sake of soloing followed by overly cheesy choruses, rigid and predictable song structures.

I'm not convinced by this album at all.
Marcel Hubregtse - 02.10.2013 at 13:09  
 
Written by Carl Berg on 02.10.2013 at 12:54

solos just for the sake of soloing followed by overly cheesy choruses, rigid and predictable song structures.



they have been guilty of that for the largest part of their career
Fritillaria - 02.10.2013 at 13:19  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.10.2013 at 13:09

Written by Carl Berg on 02.10.2013 at 12:54

solos just for the sake of soloing followed by overly cheesy choruses, rigid and predictable song structures.



they have been guilty of that for the largest part of their career


ABSOLUTELY !
mz - 02.10.2013 at 13:57  
 
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.10.2013 at 13:09

they have been guilty of that for the largest part of their career


QFT
Mehdi Taba - 04.10.2013 at 00:14  
Rating: 8 I think on this album there was just some few special moment not a lot .
My final rating "8.4" .
Masonics - 05.10.2013 at 06:38  
Rating: 8 2nd full listen and despite the shorter songs, DT keep it interesting. Bit disappointed by Magaini's Drum mix, but everything else sounds great, especially Pretrucci's Guitar work. James sounds better vocally this time, not going thorugh the motions like in the last couple of records. Illumination theory takes a bit of time, but could be their best song yet, the last section is probably their most emotive part of their songwriting career.
bulldozerash - 05.10.2013 at 21:39  
  Sounds so much monotonous to me, pretty much better than their last record but i think DT lost it after systematic chaos, dont know maybe because that was the first album that i listened to from DT and had great moments listening to that....
i didnt enjoy anything from them like classic albums
Nicko's Nose - 06.10.2013 at 00:07  
Rating: 8 How is this better than A Dramatic Turn Of Events?
Lethrokai - 06.10.2013 at 11:43  
Rating: 7
Written by Masonics on 05.10.2013 at 06:38

2nd full listen and despite the shorter songs, DT keep it interesting. Bit disappointed by Magaini's Drum mix, but everything else sounds great, especially Pretrucci's Guitar work. James sounds better vocally this time, not going thorugh the motions like in the last couple of records. Illumination theory takes a bit of time, but could be their best song yet, the last section is probably their most emotive part of their songwriting career.


Have to say I agree with pretty much everything you say. Felt this album was perhaps a little too guitar-centric though. While I love the sound Petrucci gave the guitar, the mixing makes it feel like he's the focus the whole way through, which he shouldn't be. James LaBrie is finally back to taking risks with his vocals, and Myung is finally starting to stand out. While Mangini's drums sound a little too processed, his technique is flawless.
As for that final section, I think that's become one of my favourite DT moments of all time. Heck, it's definitely put Illumination Theory in my top 5 DT songs.
Masonics - 06.10.2013 at 11:53  
Rating: 8
Written by Lethrokai on 06.10.2013 at 11:43

Written by Masonics on 05.10.2013 at 06:38

2nd full listen and despite the shorter songs, DT keep it interesting. Bit disappointed by Magaini's Drum mix, but everything else sounds great, especially Pretrucci's Guitar work. James sounds better vocally this time, not going thorugh the motions like in the last couple of records. Illumination theory takes a bit of time, but could be their best song yet, the last section is probably their most emotive part of their songwriting career.


Have to say I agree with pretty much everything you say. Felt this album was perhaps a little too guitar-centric though. While I love the sound Petrucci gave the guitar, the mixing makes it feel like he's the focus the whole way through, which he shouldn't be. James LaBrie is finally back to taking risks with his vocals, and Myung is finally starting to stand out. While Mangini's drums sound a little too processed, his technique is flawless.
As for that final section, I think that's become one of my favourite DT moments of all time. Heck, it's definitely put Illumination Theory in my top 5 DT songs.



Loved James section in IT in the third section where he bellows the high notes, was cool to witness again.

Hopefully they nail the drums/guitar sound in the next record, as long as the music is good again!
Lethrokai - 06.10.2013 at 13:42  
Rating: 7
Written by Masonics on 06.10.2013 at 11:53


Loved James section in IT in the third section where he bellows the high notes, was cool to witness again.

Hopefully they nail the drums/guitar sound in the next record, as long as the music is good again!


Have to agree, one of favourite James LaBrie moments. Combine that with the drum/bass combo that leads into it, and beautiful orchestral break before that, and it was just one massive hype-builder waiting to happen!

Also, I hope that, for the next album, they realise that not every chorus needs to have that whole "epic" thing going on. Every chorus on the whole album had that same thing going on in the chorus. (with slight exceptions in The Enemy Inside & IT's first part) Just think Constant Motion, where it was still a chorus, but more raw.
Lustful Maid - 09.10.2013 at 09:31  
Rating: 3
Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.

You're the only one here got the constructive point, yes the transitions bad to the core !
I don't argue with people here anymore as It's unnecessary. Listeners come from different standards of musical backgrounds, it's similar to telling your 3 years old son that Shakespeare's are better than Ben 10 series, simply waste of your time...
Lethrokai - 09.10.2013 at 13:51  
Rating: 7
Written by Lustful Maid on 09.10.2013 at 09:31

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.

You're the only one here got the constructive point, yes the transitions bad to the core !
I don't argue with people here anymore as It's unnecessary. Listeners come from different standards of musical backgrounds, it's similar to telling your 3 years old son that Shakespeare's are better than Ben 10 series, simply waste of your time...


That's quite a silly way to go looking at these kinds of things. Just because people come from different musical backgrounds, doesn't mean that people from a similar background can't like different things.
I personally enjoyed the album quite a bit, despite the obvious problem with transitions. Does this mean I'm a Ben 10 loving, "what's-popular-is-great" preaching, ignorant listener?
I will easily admit that the transitions were bad, however I don't even think that the transitions are that big of a deal. I wouldn't even mark this album down by half a point because of transition flaw.
There's no way of being objective when it comes to music.
Mohamad777 - 10.10.2013 at 18:14  
  To those who didn't enjoy this record: stop being so judgemental, if you're looking for perfection in metal you have picked the wrong place, Bach(baroque composer) was perfect, listen to his stuff, and stop bitching.

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