Written by Erik M. on 07.11.2014 at 23:21
The "subject at hand" is whether it's necessary/useful to use "in my opinion" in certain cases. You easily could have been talking objectively about music. Saying it's always totally subjective is a contradiction on your part, because (for instance) you previously said that if you call an album overrated it is objectively done so. Just an example of why it's simply a good idea to use "IMO", either to differentiate between objective/subjective statements, or simply to express your opinion a little more. And lets be honest, how much trouble is it to use "in my opinion"? You can keep coming up with arguments about this, but the fact remains that using "in my opinion" can only increase the readability of your posts and decrease the chance of people being confused by your statements. Once again, saying that everything (musical identity, originality, quality etc., like you said) about music is entirely subjective is just plain wrong. Objectivity definitely is a part of those things and I think you know it (yet don't ackowledge it here).

Er, Ok Erik, you can keep running around in circles to trying to justify what was an asinine comment on your part if you want, but unfortunately for you it means you must have issue with 90%+ of the comments on the site, i.e the ones that don't use "imo" "I think" etc. so for that reason alone I'm not concerned that you have an issue with what I said. As you demonstrate on a practically daily basis you clearly have trouble with reading comprehension so I don't feel like it's something I have to change any time soon just to please the odd person that can't see the obvious.

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Yeah, and we've been over this. The fact that you're repeating yourself now tells me you don't really have any good argument left. And the "WTF" in that comment is just to express how surprised I am by the lack of that album in the list (and rightly so if you ask me). If you're annoyed by that, then it's your problem, not mine. I'm not going to change the way I reply to stuff simply because you dislike the way I communicate and express my opinions. Deal with it.

Believe me, this is not a discussion that requires "good argument." Common sense is all that's needed, and unfortunately I don't have the ability to instil it in people who act emotionally as you clearly have been. I needn't remind you that the annoyance stemmed from your lack of comprehension and I've already told you I'm not personally concerned with your conduct, rather it was a piece of advice.

Really though, you should just leave this as it is now as it's getting absurd and I'm becoming embarassed to even be a part of it.

Written by Guest on 08.11.2014 at 00:14

Er, Ok Erik, you can keep running around in circles to trying to justify what was an asinine comment on your part if you want, but unfortunately for you it means you must have issue with 90%+ of the comments on the site, i.e the ones that don't use "imo" "I think" etc. so for that reason alone I'm not concerned that you have an issue with what I said. As you demonstrate on a practically daily basis you clearly have trouble with reading comprehension so I don't feel like it's something I have to change any time soon just to please the odd person that can't see the obvious.

Nope, you got it all wrong. I admit I might have taken it a bit too far with the opinion matter, but I mainly took issue with your comment and then tried to explain WHY to me it seems like a good idea to use "in my opinion" every now and then, simply to make it clearer that you're expressing your opinion. I wasn't telling you to do just that. I was only trying to convince you that sometimes it can be a good thing to use when wording your opinions (you're probably right that most of the time it speaks for itself when something is an opinion or not, but that's besides the point as I was stating this generally). Sadly, you've proven to be too stubborn to get all this and you've resorted to ad hominem attacks, which is a bad way of debating in general. Not to mention you don't address quite a bit of what I wrote, which tells me you probably realized you were wrong but don't want to admit that. For example, the contradiction on your part which I pointed out (about overrated music). And also how you're wrong about that everything about music is subjective since that's clearly not the case. Lastly, you went on with giving your "advice" despite the fact that I told you I wasn't interested in it multiple times before.

Written by Erik M. on 08.11.2014 at 00:47

Nope, you got it all wrong. I admit I might have taken it a bit too far with the opinion matter, but I mainly took issue with your comment and then tried to explain WHY to me it seems like a good idea to use "in my opinion" every now and then, simply to make it clearer that you're expressing your opinion. I wasn't telling you to do just that. I was only trying to convince you that sometimes it can be a good thing to use when wording your opinions (you're probably right that most of the time it speaks for itself when something is an opinion or not, but that's besides the point as I was stating this generally). Sadly, you've proven to be too stubborn to get all this and you've resorted to ad hominem attacks, which is a bad way of debating in general. Not to mention you don't address quite a bit of what I wrote, which tells me you probably realized you were wrong but don't want to admit that. For example, the contradiction on your part which I pointed out (about overrated music). And also how you're wrong about that everything about music is subjective since that's clearly not the case. Lastly, you went on with giving your "advice" despite the fact that I told you I wasn't interested in it multiple times before.

My stubbornness derives from the fact I don't consider reductio ad absurdum to be a convincing argument. Nor does my evasion of your laboured straw man point concerning perceived objectivity in music mean that I'm wrong (and consistently telling me I'm wrong on that basis does not a good argument make either) because that would imply it is a likely possibility and one which should be considered (which I don't, hence the reason I'm not going to address it or I risk falling into your fallacious way of arguing). Trying to prove a point through extremes, such as the possibility that my comment could be taken objectively, is a straw man. You can knock that ersatz argument down time and time again if you wish but it doesn't allay the basic point that you were whining over a comment that really didn't need to be an issue for anyone in the first place that had basic reading comprehension (the first time I've received such a reply in 9, nearly 10, years of being on this site). I'm not wrong simply because you failed to see the blatantly obvious, or because you misappropriated the concept of "overratedness" from an entirely different discussion that was never even implied at in my original comment (hence the "straw man"), because using those as examples is a pretty hideous and shameful way to come across as being "right."

Darkspace would like to thank you two for the free publicity.

Tfw people post lengthy comments that just make them both look like pissants. This album is killer tho

I didn't enjoy it. Darkspace has an interesting sound indeed, but (to me, of course) much of the potential is wasted on this album. While listening, this thought kept appearing in my head: "yes, i know that space is scary, but what the fuck else can you tell me?". Thus III I goes to my shit list.

Finally decided that III is the better album. Funny, since this is my #1 of 2014 while III isn't even in my top 3 of its respective year.

Eh, I figured that out after a few days =P

Written by Guest on 04.02.2015 at 20:29

Eh, I figured that out after a few days =P

Well, I didn't because that keyboard bit on track 2 made me believe this was better than sex each time I heard it.

Written by Zaph on 04.02.2015 at 20:32

this was better than sex

You're doing it wrong...

Written by Guest on 04.02.2015 at 20:34

You're doing it wrong...

Let's not even go there. You're not my therapist. I think.

Too much scary space

This is boring and no-music

No-you.

I LOVE this album so much. Darkspace haven't made any bad album IMO.

Aaaaaaaaaaaand still fucking amazing. I'm putting my tent in the "III is still the best" camp though. But like Lit. said, It does put up a good fight.

I also have to echo everyone who commented on the second track. Those keys are one of the greatest highlights in their entire discography, that's for damn sure.

Written by Mr. Doctor on 15.10.2015 at 22:42

... Those keys ....

*Starts head popping*

Wow. The keys are amazing (never heard this before).

Also, why is this thread so long? Can someone tell me so I don't have to scroll through 3 year old arguments forever?

Written by VIG on 10.12.2017 at 17:36

Wow. The keys are amazing (never heard this before).

Also, why is this thread so long? Can someone tell me so I don't have to scroll through 3 year old arguments forever?

Ehm. We were expecting Darkspace IV and not III I. That's about it.

Written by Zaph on 10.12.2017 at 23:40

Ehm. We were expecting Darkspace IV and not III I. That's about it.

Really? That's the reason there are 6 pages of arguing? Kind of stupid if you ask me.

Wow. I took a nap earlier and I dreamt I was listening to Darkspace for some reason. Which is weird because I don't listen to Darkspace since about the release date of this one.

The song in the dream didn't even sound like any of it

Written by Zaph on 10.12.2017 at 23:40
Ehm. We were expecting Darkspace IV and not III I. That's about it.

Written by VIG on 11.12.2017 at 00:02
Really? That's the reason there are 6 pages of arguing? Kind of stupid if you ask me.

Really? I took a fast look yesterday and I thought there was plenty of discussion actually revolving the music. I was even surprised at how non-stupid it was considering other long threads.

Well, I was mostly joking but there has to be at least one page of comments related to the title.

Written by Mr. Doctor on 11.12.2017 at 12:58
Really? I took a fast look yesterday and I thought there was plenty of discussion actually revolving the music. I was even surprised at how non-stupid it was considering other long threads.

I'm probably not going to go through it, at least not today. I just didn't believe what Zaph said about it being about the title.

The good old days with Ilham and Joe..

Written by Paz on 11.12.2017 at 18:26

The good old days with Ilham and Joe..

C'mon. Don't make my monday more depressing

Hey I'm still around. I was looking around the new posts concerning Warrel Dane's death ( :/ ), when Paz and Karlito brought some warmth back into my heart.

No but seriously VIG, amongst the ton of nonsense we poured on this forum, I'm sure we had some pretty lively discussions around the music. I remember how passionate I was about being very indifferent about this album. If it wasn't for the time I had spent reading these comments back then, I wouldn't even remember listening to this album.

Written by Ilham on 13.12.2017 at 17:43
I remember how passionate I was about being very indifferent about this album. If it wasn't for the time I had spent reading these comments back then, I wouldn't even remember listening to this album.

You hurt ym feelings. I loved this one. III is still the best one though hands down.

Written by Ilham on 13.12.2017 at 17:43

Hey I'm still around.

But you still need to become a regular user again

Maybe if I have some spare time I will just read through this forum. I'm sure I will find it enjoyable to read all this.