Release date: 6 September 2014
Style: Ambient black metal

Rating:

8.1 | 90 votes

Owners:

46 have it
18 want it


01. Dark 4.18
02. Dark 4.19
03. Dark 4.20

Review


Line-up
Tobias "Wroth" "Wintherr" Möckl - guitars, vocals
Zhaaral - guitars, vocals
Zorgh - bass, vocals

Staff review by
Windrider

Rating:
N/A
So, one of the biggest ambient black metal bands released their new album this year. Time to lose some words on that. Darkspace from Switzerland continue their journey through the dark space (no pun intended as it's the actual name of their albums) with Dark Space III I. And not only that but even the songs are simply called "Dark 4.18", "Dark 4.19" and "Dark 4.20". Looks like the band is quite out of ideas, doesn't it? However, the important point is the music, so let's have a closer look at that.

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published 13.12.2014 | Comments (12)

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!J.O.O.E.! - 08.11.2014 at 00:14  
Rating: 9
Written by Erik M. on 07.11.2014 at 23:21
The "subject at hand" is whether it's necessary/useful to use "in my opinion" in certain cases. You easily could have been talking objectively about music. Saying it's always totally subjective is a contradiction on your part, because (for instance) you previously said that if you call an album overrated it is objectively done so. Just an example of why it's simply a good idea to use "IMO", either to differentiate between objective/subjective statements, or simply to express your opinion a little more. And lets be honest, how much trouble is it to use "in my opinion"? You can keep coming up with arguments about this, but the fact remains that using "in my opinion" can only increase the readability of your posts and decrease the chance of people being confused by your statements. Once again, saying that everything (musical identity, originality, quality etc., like you said) about music is entirely subjective is just plain wrong. Objectivity definitely is a part of those things and I think you know it (yet don't ackowledge it here).


Er, Ok Erik, you can keep running around in circles to trying to justify what was an asinine comment on your part if you want, but unfortunately for you it means you must have issue with 90%+ of the comments on the site, i.e the ones that don't use "imo" "I think" etc. so for that reason alone I'm not concerned that you have an issue with what I said. As you demonstrate on a practically daily basis you clearly have trouble with reading comprehension so I don't feel like it's something I have to change any time soon just to please the odd person that can't see the obvious.

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Yeah, and we've been over this. The fact that you're repeating yourself now tells me you don't really have any good argument left. And the "WTF" in that comment is just to express how surprised I am by the lack of that album in the list (and rightly so if you ask me). If you're annoyed by that, then it's your problem, not mine. I'm not going to change the way I reply to stuff simply because you dislike the way I communicate and express my opinions. Deal with it.

Believe me, this is not a discussion that requires "good argument." Common sense is all that's needed, and unfortunately I don't have the ability to instil it in people who act emotionally as you clearly have been. I needn't remind you that the annoyance stemmed from your lack of comprehension and I've already told you I'm not personally concerned with your conduct, rather it was a piece of advice.

Really though, you should just leave this as it is now as it's getting absurd and I'm becoming embarassed to even be a part of it.
Erik M. - 08.11.2014 at 00:47  
Rating: 8
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 08.11.2014 at 00:14

Er, Ok Erik, you can keep running around in circles to trying to justify what was an asinine comment on your part if you want, but unfortunately for you it means you must have issue with 90%+ of the comments on the site, i.e the ones that don't use "imo" "I think" etc. so for that reason alone I'm not concerned that you have an issue with what I said. As you demonstrate on a practically daily basis you clearly have trouble with reading comprehension so I don't feel like it's something I have to change any time soon just to please the odd person that can't see the obvious.


Nope, you got it all wrong. I admit I might have taken it a bit too far with the opinion matter, but I mainly took issue with your comment and then tried to explain WHY to me it seems like a good idea to use "in my opinion" every now and then, simply to make it clearer that you're expressing your opinion. I wasn't telling you to do just that. I was only trying to convince you that sometimes it can be a good thing to use when wording your opinions (you're probably right that most of the time it speaks for itself when something is an opinion or not, but that's besides the point as I was stating this generally). Sadly, you've proven to be too stubborn to get all this and you've resorted to ad hominem attacks, which is a bad way of debating in general. Not to mention you don't address quite a bit of what I wrote, which tells me you probably realized you were wrong but don't want to admit that. For example, the contradiction on your part which I pointed out (about overrated music). And also how you're wrong about that everything about music is subjective since that's clearly not the case. Lastly, you went on with giving your "advice" despite the fact that I told you I wasn't interested in it multiple times before.
!J.O.O.E.! - 08.11.2014 at 00:59  
Rating: 9
Written by Erik M. on 08.11.2014 at 00:47

Nope, you got it all wrong. I admit I might have taken it a bit too far with the opinion matter, but I mainly took issue with your comment and then tried to explain WHY to me it seems like a good idea to use "in my opinion" every now and then, simply to make it clearer that you're expressing your opinion. I wasn't telling you to do just that. I was only trying to convince you that sometimes it can be a good thing to use when wording your opinions (you're probably right that most of the time it speaks for itself when something is an opinion or not, but that's besides the point as I was stating this generally). Sadly, you've proven to be too stubborn to get all this and you've resorted to ad hominem attacks, which is a bad way of debating in general. Not to mention you don't address quite a bit of what I wrote, which tells me you probably realized you were wrong but don't want to admit that. For example, the contradiction on your part which I pointed out (about overrated music). And also how you're wrong about that everything about music is subjective since that's clearly not the case. Lastly, you went on with giving your "advice" despite the fact that I told you I wasn't interested in it multiple times before.

My stubbornness derives from the fact I don't consider reductio ad absurdum to be a convincing argument. Nor does my evasion of your laboured straw man point concerning perceived objectivity in music mean that I'm wrong (and consistently telling me I'm wrong on that basis does not a good argument make either) because that would imply it is a likely possibility and one which should be considered (which I don't, hence the reason I'm not going to address it or I risk falling into your fallacious way of arguing). Trying to prove a point through extremes, such as the possibility that my comment could be taken objectively, is a straw man. You can knock that ersatz argument down time and time again if you wish but it doesn't allay the basic point that you were whining over a comment that really didn't need to be an issue for anyone in the first place that had basic reading comprehension (the first time I've received such a reply in 9, nearly 10, years of being on this site). I'm not wrong simply because you failed to see the blatantly obvious, or because you misappropriated the concept of "overratedness" from an entirely different discussion that was never even implied at in my original comment (hence the "straw man"), because using those as examples is a pretty hideous and shameful way to come across as being "right."
Dima - 08.11.2014 at 01:48  
Rating: 9 Darkspace would like to thank you two for the free publicity.
defeat213 - 25.11.2014 at 00:27  
Rating: 10 Tfw people post lengthy comments that just make them both look like pissants. This album is killer tho

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