Intro | New | Edge.. The playlists are just insane for music discovery. Just click on the two arrows on the right of a genre's name to access the details page of that genre and the playlists links.
Did you guys ever hear of everynoise ? A former SPotify employee built a whole website based on genres added to artists. One can navigate all genres, see the related genres, and the best is there are a few playlists for each genre
01. Age Of Destruction 02. Mother Nature 03. Fail To Cure 04. History Repeats 05. Beliefs Become Reality 06. Manufactured 07. Illusions 08. Healing The Mind 09. Media Spin 10. Like A River Flows
Now this is getting ridiculous. First BabyMetal, now Grindmother. What's next? LadyBaby?
Don't see what's ridiculous about this. It's some quality crusty grind with a great vocalist, who happens to be a bit older than your average band member.
Now this is getting ridiculous. First BabyMetal, now Grindmother. What's next? LadyBaby?
Don't see what's ridiculous about this. It's some quality crusty grind with a great vocalist, who happens to be a bit older than your average band member.
One only look at the reception to see this has been warmly welcomed by grind fans. The fact you're incredulous doesn't change that. If there's any criticism to be made is that it's not very original musically. Still well made though. Doesn't compare to BabyMetal or LadyBaby in any way.
One only look at the reception to see this has been warmly welcomed by grind fans. The fact you're incredulous doesn't change that. If there's any criticism to be made is that it's not very original musically. Still well made though. Doesn't compare to BabyMetal or LadyBaby in any way.
I still think this is all a farce. As for people receiving it well, there are plenty who receive BabyMetal well too.
And an equal amount of people who don't. Good luck finding criticism of Grindmother on any similar scale. Even Youtube is full of entirely positive comments free from reactionary opinions. In fact yours is the only one I've seen that thinks it's farce. It's plain and simple grind, with only a very minor novelty factor. Unlike BabyMetal et al, which is manufactured from the ground up to be a novelty metal entrant in a J-Pop / Rock / Idol circuit.
And an equal amount of people who don't. Good luck finding criticism of Grindmother on any similar scale. Even Youtube is full of entirely positive comments free from reactionary opinions. In fact yours is the only one I've seen that thinks it's farce. It's plain and simple grind, with only a very minor novelty factor. Unlike BabyMetal et al, which is manufactured from the ground up to be a novelty metal entrant in a J-Pop / Rock / Idol circuit.
I don't know. To me both look like gimmicks. Whether you put 3 underage girls to yap in a mic, or you put a granny, all the same to me. As for BabyMetal's music, it is not even original. Others played it in the past and even in the idol manner as well. Its just that none had the success of BabyMetal. I think BabyMetal receives more hatred is because of the cultural gap. In Japan they are widely accepted. The only difference is that one is corporate backed while the other isn't. That doesn't change the fact that they are gimmicks.
I don't know. To me both look like gimmicks. Whether you put 3 underage girls to yap in a mic, or you put a granny, all the same to me. As for BabyMetal's music, it is not even original. Others played it in the past and even in the idol manner as well. Its just that none had the success of BabyMetal. I think BabyMetal receives more hatred is because of the cultural gap. In Japan they are widely accepted. The only difference is that one is corporate backed while the other isn't. That doesn't change the fact that they are gimmicks.
The gimmick factor is irrelevant when taking the music into consideration, because the "gimmick" has no bearing on the quality and style. Grindmother by any other name or image would still be similarly received, only on a lesser scale. For that reason it's not "ridiculous" that it's on this site. I've little doubt though that BabyMetal's music is built around, and sold on the basis of, the image and novelty. Grindmother on the other hand would survive well enough without the granny at the helm.
I don't know. To me both look like gimmicks. Whether you put 3 underage girls to yap in a mic, or you put a granny, all the same to me. As for BabyMetal's music, it is not even original. Others played it in the past and even in the idol manner as well. Its just that none had the success of BabyMetal. I think BabyMetal receives more hatred is because of the cultural gap. In Japan they are widely accepted. The only difference is that one is corporate backed while the other isn't. That doesn't change the fact that they are gimmicks.
The gimmick factor is irrelevant when taking the music into consideration, because the "gimmick" has no bearing on the quality and style. Grindmother by any other name or image would still be similarly received, only on a lesser scale. For that reason it's not "ridiculous" that it's on this site. I've little doubt though that BabyMetal's music is built around, and sold on the basis of, the image and novelty. Grindmother on the other hand would survive well enough without the granny at the helm.
I really doubt the last sentence. After all, the music was noticed not because it is groundbreaking or something, but because social networks shared the story of a granny fronting a grindcore band. In any other circumstance, if an average guy was doing what she is doing, I assure you nobody would've heard of this project.
I really doubt the last sentence. After all, the music was noticed not because it is groundbreaking or something, but because social networks shared the story of a granny fronting a grindcore band. In any other circumstance, if an average guy was doing what she is doing, I assure you nobody would've heard of this project.
That supposition could be made about any ordinary grind band, yet ordinary grind bands eventually get recognition if they're decent enough, which Grindmother are. It just would have taken longer. At any rate they stil belong on the site, 100 percent, novelty or perceived quality not being a factor.
I really doubt the last sentence. After all, the music was noticed not because it is groundbreaking or something, but because social networks shared the story of a granny fronting a grindcore band. In any other circumstance, if an average guy was doing what she is doing, I assure you nobody would've heard of this project.
That supposition could be made about any ordinary grind band, yet ordinary grind bands eventually get recognition if they're decent enough, which Grindmother are. It just would have taken longer. At any rate they stil belong on the site, 100 percent, novelty or perceived quality not being a factor.
If the question is: why is this average (kind of funny though) band added to the database when quality avantgarde bands are not?
Then the answer probably is: this site is all about power metal and gimmick bands. And that has to with that the guy adding bands, he seems to have a poorly developed taste in music
In the best of worlds all metal should be added but since its not i would prefer if some of the bands who actually have great debuts would be added insted of this.
If the question is: why is this average (kind of funny though) band added to the database when quality avantgarde bands are not?
Then the answer probably is: this site is all about power metal and gimmick bands. And that has to with that the guy adding bands, he seems to have a poorly developed taste in music
In the best of worlds all metal should be added but since its not i would prefer if some of the bands who actually have great debuts would be added insted of this.
Hogwash, tbh. To me you have fairly poor taste in music so it's really all quite relative. Fact is there's very few active band profile staff, and probably not that many with the permissions to add bands in general. It's not MA after all. If you want this to be Lucifer of Gayness Storm then maybe you should try to distinguish yourself a little harder on here, then you might get the perms to add bands you want
If the question is: why is this average (kind of funny though) band added to the database when quality avantgarde bands are not?
Then the answer probably is: this site is all about power metal and gimmick bands. And that has to with that the guy adding bands, he seems to have a poorly developed taste in music
In the best of worlds all metal should be added but since its not i would prefer if some of the bands who actually have great debuts would be added insted of this.
Hogwash, tbh. To me you have fairly poor taste in music so it's really all quite relative. Fact is there's very few active band profile staff, and probably not that many with the permissions to add bands in general. It's not MA after all. If you want this to be Lucifer of Gayness Storm then maybe you should try to distinguish yourself a little harder on here, then you might get the perms to add bands you want
You shouldnt get offended so easily. Read it again and youll probably understand that it was more common sense than hogwash
And on the distinguish thingy, Ive got enough posts as it is. Ill keep it it up though
You shouldnt get offended so easily. Read it again and youll probably understand that it was more common sense than hogwash
And on the distinguish thingy, Ive got enough posts as it is. Ill keep it it up though
People who use the "stop getting offended" trope strike me as people who lack such confidence in their own arguments that they feel the need to fallaciously delegitimize another's points by fabricating an emotional reaction on their part. Probably one of the lowest ways to debate I've seen on the internet you should really stop it.
And nope, it wasn't common sense. The idea of "developed music taste" in the form you're talking about is nothing more than an egotistical fantasy. "My taste is better than yours because I listen to avant-garde music!" etc. Cringe-worthy and weak!
I really doubt the last sentence. After all, the music was noticed not because it is groundbreaking or something, but because social networks shared the story of a granny fronting a grindcore band. In any other circumstance, if an average guy was doing what she is doing, I assure you nobody would've heard of this project.
That supposition could be made about any ordinary grind band, yet ordinary grind bands eventually get recognition if they're decent enough, which Grindmother are. It just would have taken longer. At any rate they stil belong on the site, 100 percent, novelty or perceived quality not being a factor.
There isn't that much of a novelty factor in a grind band with conventional line-ups. Lets admit it that the first thing which attracted attention regarding this project is that a woman in her 60s is fronting it (myself included). If it were an ordinary band with an ordinary line-up it would've been just another grindcore band among an ocean of such bands. If it weren't for the granny, do you think the metal media would've made a fuss about it, promoting this project over countless other grindcore projects? I doubt it.
I bothered checking the music a bit that it is just average grindcore. Nothing out of ordinary. Heard it all before. This music, without the granny fronting the mic wouldn't have shaped at all.
There isn't that much of a novelty factor in a grind band with conventional line-ups. Lets admit it that the first thing which attracted attention regarding this project is that a woman in her 60s is fronting it. If it were an ordinary band with an ordinary line-up it would've been just another grindcore band among an ocean of such bands.
But what's your point though? Obviously this band is getting more attention because of the novelty factor. Why does that make it ridiculous that they were added to the site.? Clearly a lot of hardened grind fans enjoy the music, Where's the contentious element?
And disagree, I'm a big grind fan and I would have enjoyed this just as much.
And disagree, I'm a big grind fan and I would have enjoyed this just as much.
Subjectivity. I may not be such a big grind fan, but if not for this granny singing I would have not have heard of this band. I don't know. I am not part of the staff her on MS, but as people complained about BabyMetal being included, I think that this is not a serious project either. I don't know about those hardened grind fans, but like the previous guy said, there are lots of bands out there that might deserve a spot here instead of this one, without any gimmicks to attract attention and with a longer and more respectable career.
Subjectivity. I may not be such a big grind fan, but if not for this granny singing I would have not have heard of this band. I don't know. I am not part of the staff her on MS, but as people complained about BabyMetal being included, I think that this is not a serious project either. I don't know about those hardened grind fans, but like the previous guy said, there are lots of bands out there that might deserve a spot here instead of this one, without any gimmicks to attract attention and with a longer and more respectable career.
Of course it's subjective, no one was saying otherwise. But so is your notion that this is average. That's my point, both you and LuciferOfGayness's tastes are entirely subjective, as are you notions of what "deserve" to be here as a result of those tastes.
Define "serious project?" Should Venom be removed? They weren't being serious when they claimed they were Satanic. Grindmother played and recorded music and have it on sale to buy. That's as serious as any other band that has existed. They didn't accidentally write songs and lyrics and mistakenly record it and put onto CDs etc. Maligning this as "not being serious" sounds like a poor excuse to justify not having this here. It's idle speculation and little more and something you can neither prove nor quantify. Serious music isn't the only valid music.
There isn't a finite amount of space on this site either. This being here hasn't replaced another band. If you want other bands here then get them added here yourself.
And BabyMetal has every right to be here, as they play metal. That's all that it needs to qualify. Absolutely has nothing to do with quality or whether you think they might be "serious" or not.
Every band has a draw of some point. Lyrics, image, theme, etc. A gimmick is just an extension of that. People like gimmicks, whether you do or not. You're basically saying that everything has to be uniform within said genre to be able to be here and anything that differs should be kept out. Pretty silly, imo.
"Respectability" is also another shaky area of qualification. I don't respect Insomnium, churning out the same predictable, turgid dross year in, year out, but they have legions of fans so who am I to judge them on that basis.
Of course it's subjective, no one was saying otherwise. But so is your notion that this is average. That's my point, both you and LuciferOfGayness's tastes are entirely subjective, as are you notions of what "deserve" to be here as a result of those tastes.
Define "serious project?" Should Venom be removed? They weren't being serious when they claimed they were Satanic. Grindmother played and recorded music and have it on sale to buy. That's as serious as any other band that has existed. They didn't accidentally write songs and lyrics and mistakenly record it and put onto CDs etc. Maligning this as "not being serious" sounds like a poor excuse to justify not having this here. It's idle speculation and little more and something you can neither prove nor quantify. Serious music isn't the only valid music.
There isn't a finite amount of space on this site either. This being here hasn't replaced another band. If you want other bands here then get them added here yourself.
And BabyMetal has every right to be here, as they play metal. That's all that it needs to qualify. Absolutely has nothing to do with quality or whether you think they might be "serious" or not.
Every band has a draw of some point. Lyrics, image, theme, etc. A gimmick is just an extension of that. People like gimmicks, whether you do or not. You're basically saying that everything has to be uniform within said genre to be able to be here and anything that differs should be kept out. Pretty silly, imo.
"Respectability" is also another shaky area of qualification. I don't respect Insomnium, churning out the same predictable, turgid dross year in, year out, but they have legions of fans so who am I to judge them on that basis.
Of course it is average. Or do you hear something that hasn't been done before by tens of other grindcore bands? Even the people that added this here have notions of what should be or shouldn't be added here, otherwise we shouldn't have such a long suggestions list. Like I said, I hold no power in deciding which band should be here or shouldn't. I manifested my wish for a band to be here by voting in the suggestion section. Always.
When I claim a project to be serious, I claim that that project should be about music more than about a gimmick. Venom might've been a gimmick band at the beginning, but in their early phase they were skilled enough as musicians to influence hordes of bands afterwards. Not anybody can do that. They were like the next step towards extreme metal.
The fact that they have now an EP is an accident. Even the woman's son admitted that only when they received overwhelming response after releasing that clip they decided to make a record. It is very likely that if they received little to no positive (or negative) response, this wouldn't have kicked off.
What also kinda pisses me off is that such bands, and BabyMetal got inducted here rather fast while other bands, some of them with longer careers and more respectable ones are still waiting in that suggestion list perpetually until somebody decides unilaterally to induct them. The reason why they are here so fast in the first place is because of that novelty factor. Considering how many grindcore bands are out there and aren't here, I am inclined to believe that I was right in my statement. Those bands don't have grannies singing in them.
Now don't get me wrong, I can enjoy a gimmick or two, but when all you have to show is gimmickry while the music blows or is second to none, then I ought to be a little bit taken aback. Metal is filled with bands using gimmicks. Just look at glam or power metal. But a lot or at least of (depending on every individual) those bands aren't all about the gimmicks. That's the difference. While in Grindmother shit kicked off because a guy allowed his mother to handle the mic and in BabyMetal some corporate suits decided to have 3 underage girls in frilly clothes jump like Duracell bunnies in videos and on stage.
Of course it is average. Or do you hear something that hasn't been done before by tens of other grindcore bands? Even the people that added this here have notions of what should be or shouldn't be added here, otherwise we shouldn't have such a long suggestions list. Like I said, I hold no power in deciding which band should be here or shouldn't. I manifested my wish for a band to be here by voting in the suggestion section. Always.
Hear something that hasn't been done before? Like having a 67 year old woman do a decent job at vocals perhaps? Don't know who added them, but you seem to forget this site works off clicks and advertising, therefore something that will draw people is also important. It's not all about originality and the avant-garde.
Quote: When I claim a project to be serious, I claim that that project should be about music more than about a gimmick. Venom might've been a gimmick band at the beginning, but in their early phase they were skilled enough as musicians to influence hordes of bands afterwards. Not anybody can do that. They were like the next step towards extreme metal.
Venom were lucky. Had nothing to do with their skill or talent. If that were true then why are all their albums dogshit?
Quote: The fact that they have now an EP is an accident. Even the woman's son admitted that only when they received overwhelming response after releasing that clip they decided to make a record. It is very likely that if they received little to no positive (or negative) response, this wouldn't have kicked off.
An accident that spawned a decent EP. You put far too much emphasis on the inception of a band. You just said it yourself: they received an overwhelming response. I can't think of a better inspiration to make music than that.
Quote: What also kinda pisses me off is that such bands, and BabyMetal got inducted here rather fast while other bands, some of them with longer careers and more respectable ones are still waiting in that suggestion list perpetually until somebody decides unilaterally to induct them. The reason why they are here so fast in the first place is because of that novelty factor. Considering how many grindcore bands are out there and aren't here, I am inclined to believe that I was right in my statement. Those bands don't have grannies singing in them.
Again, popularity draws a crowd for the site. I would love to see a lot of bands make it onto here, but to be honest I don't lose a great deal of sleep over it. Having a band profile made is not going to set the band sky-rocketing in popularity. In fact it probably won't have any effect on them whatsoever.
And yeah, they got in because of the novelty factor. In other words they were clever and savvy enough not to be a total clone. Props to them I say. They brought their music to a larger audience than if they just stuck to the bog-standard imagery and themes of other grind bands.
Quote: Now don't get me wrong, I can enjoy a gimmick or two, but when all you have to show is gimmickry while the music blows or is second to none, then I ought to be a little bit taken aback. Metal is filled with bands using gimmicks. Just look at glam or power metal. But a lot or at least of (depending on every individual) those bands aren't all about the gimmicks. That's the difference. While in Grindmother shit kicked off because a guy allowed his mother to handle the mic and in BabyMetal some corporate suits decided to have 3 underage girls in frilly clothes jump like Duracell bunnies in videos and on stage.
I don't really see what there is to be upset over. As I said some bands are just better at using their heads to make themselves stand out. Take Party Cannon for example. Bog standard slam / brutal death, that got ahead of the game by making a fun band logo instead of capitulating to the norm. Now they have a wider audience as a result.
Quote: Hear something that hasn't been done before? Like having a 67 year old woman do a decent job at vocals perhaps? Don't know who added them, but you seem to forget this site works off clicks and advertising, therefore something that will draw people is also important. It's not all about originality and the avant-garde.
Musically. Not gimmickry. What you said here basically strengthened my opinion that this band is noticed not for the music, but for the granny. Form over substances. So instead of promoting new bands (or old bands) that do not have the luck to employ their mothers to sing for them in other to attract attention, you justify this thing as another popularity contest? It doesn't have to be originality or some complex form of music. Originality is rare today anyway.
Quote: Venom were lucky. Had nothing to do with their skill or talent. If that were true then why are all their albums dogshit?
Luck had nothing to do with it. Their satanic imagery is just a small part of the influence they bestowed upon hordes of extreme metal bands. In the end it is the music made on those very first 2 albums that do the talking. I agree that they were not talented individuals, more like entertainers, but they nailed it on those two. What happened after though...
Quote: An accident that spawned a decent EP. You put far too much emphasis on the inception of a band. You just said it yourself: they received an overwhelming response. I can't think of a better inspiration to make music than that.
I just responded to your comment where you said that they didn't do it by accident. Now it turns you agree that they did it by accident. They saw the response. They saw that there were people actually willing to buy their music, so they went on. They realized there is cash to make. Which I don't condemn, rather I applaud them for ingenuity, but it isn't quite my style.
Quote: Again, popularity draws a crowd for the site. I would love to see a lot of bands make it onto here, but to be honest I don't lose a great deal of sleep over it. Having a band profile made is not going to set the band sky-rocketing in popularity. In fact it probably won't have any effect on them whatsoever.
But that's not the point. I do not loose a great deal of sleep either. However, thanks to this site for its database I found a couple of bands that I now enjoy. There are people who probably experienced the same thing. All thanks to maybe some individuals who persevered and managed to get those bands to be here. That's the whole point.
Quote: And yeah, they got in because of the novelty factor. In other words they were clever and savvy enough not to be a total clone. Props to them I say. They brought their music to a larger audience than if they just stuck to the bog-standard imagery and themes of other grind bands.
But musically they are a clone. Just because the front cover (i.e. the vocal) is a novelty, that doesn't mean the music is also a novelty. Even among grindcore acts, this is painfully average.
Quote: I don't really see what there is to be upset over. As I said some bands are just better at using their heads to make themselves stand out. Take Party Cannon for example. Bog standard slam / brutal death, that got ahead of the game by making a fun band logo instead of capitulating to the norm. Now they have a wider audience as a result.
I think we have a difference in perception. You seem to be impressed by these novelty factors that have little to do with music. What impresses me is music. Not lyrics, not logos, not the gender of the vocalist, not the age of the vocalist. These I consider irrelevant (unless it takes away from musical quality which becomes a liability).
Musically. Not gimmickry. What you said here basically strengthened my opinion that this band is noticed not for the music, but for the granny. Form over substances. So instead of promoting new bands (or old bands) that do not have the luck to employ their mothers to sing for them in other to attract attention, you justify this thing as another popularity contest? It doesn't have to be originality or some complex form of music. Originality is rare today anyway.
Noticed for the novelty, acquires fans for the music that is consequently listened to. It's a simple process that potentially many bands follow to some degree, on the internet at least. Their reception is in black and white on Bandcamp and Youtube. Unless you think your opinion voids hundreds of others and that all the comments talking about the music are blinded by the novelty element (in fact I would say you're far more preoccupied with the novelty aspect than anyone). Grind does not attract fans for originality, but simple execution, which they do well. I suspect you don't listen to much grind if you think form is an issue here. It's about as pure grind / punk as one can get. That's the great thing about grind is that form and substance is practically the same thing for 90 percent of bands playing that kind of music.
Other bands could make their own luck by employing their own novelties. In fact many do, such as Hatebeak, Caninus etc.
Quote: Luck had nothing to do with it. Their satanic imagery is just a small part of the influence they bestowed upon hordes of extreme metal bands. In the end it is the music made on those very first 2 albums that do the talking. I agree that they were not talented individuals, more like entertainers, but they nailed it on those two.
Influence which was completely incidental from a band that was not "serious" about their music. Seriousness apparently a quality you deem undesirable in a band.
Quote: I just responded to your comment where you said that they didn't do it by accident. Now it turns you agree that they did it by accident. They saw the response. They saw that there were people actually willing to buy their music, so they went on. They realized there is cash to make. Which I don't condemn, rather I applaud them for ingenuity, but it isn't quite my style.
No, the EP wasn't an accident; I was paraphrasing you: "The fact that they have now an EP is an accident". The surprise reception from the original song was the accident, not the making of the EP. That's only your cynical attitude that thinks they're in it for the money. It's actually possible to have a gimmicky hook and still be interested in making music for the genuine interest. They are not mutually exclusive as you would have us believe.
Quote: But that's not the point. I do not loose a great deal of sleep either. However, thanks to this site for its database I found a couple of bands that I now enjoy. There are people who probably experienced the same thing. All thanks to maybe some individuals who persevered and managed to get those bands to be here. That's the whole point.
A couple of bands... I think you just demonstrated the pointlessness of the so alluded to importance of getting bands on here due to the little impact it can have. On the flipside though, this site may introduce Grindmother to new potential fans, so it works both ways. You don't have a monopoly on what you think is important to be here after all.
Quote: But musically they are a clone. Just because the front cover (i.e. the vocal) is a novelty, that doesn't mean the music is also a novelty. Even among grindcore acts, this is painfully average.
Reiterating their purported averageness does not explain why they do not belong on this site, which you've not adequately reasoned for. If you keep bringing up anecdotal evidence I'm just going to keep redirecting you to the tangible secondary evidence on Youtube, Bandcamp and Facebook of their musical popularity.
Quote: I think we have a difference in perception. You seem to be impressed by these novelty factors that have little to do with music. What impresses me is music. Not lyrics, not logos, not the gender of the vocalist, not the age of the vocalist. These I consider irrelevant (unless it takes away from musical quality which becomes a liability).
On the contrary, I understand the pragmatism involved in music and its marketing. I'm not naive enough to think that music stands on its own, because it doesn't. Some of the biggest acts today wouldn't be where they are now without the help of their image, the themes they extol or even the gender of their band members. Music doesn't magically appear in front of people, something which you don't seem to realise. Whether you want to admit it or not, music is not just about music. In fact without a doubt you wouldn't have discovered a great deal of the bands you like without the external factors that, together, made up the band as a whole and allowed them to be visible to you at the time you discovered them.
I can see this is becoming cyclical, if not now then soon.
Oh my god this blew up in the most hilarious ways since I last looked.
While I see no problem in having bands like Babymetal or Grindmother added, more attention needs to be focused on adding bands. Aversions Crown, a big-name deathcore band on Nuclear Blast about to release their third album, has been sitting idle in the queue, waiting for approval, for years. Signal The Firing Squad is also missing. Grindmother does not even have a full-length (thus not meeting the recommended requirements) and it took priority because le epic dank memes xd.
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you should really stop it.