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Written by corrupt on 08.01.2010 at 18:54
Haha! Good one. Yeah, I didn't mean Cynic, I meant Gojira. I was listening to Cynic earlier today and I'm known to make these associative mistakes. Good thing nobody else noticed 
Aha Gojira now that makes sense  if I remember correctly they did indeed address the crowd in French last year. And rightly so I would say. That always pissed me off at Dynamo Open Air that most of the times the ver few Dutch bands playing addressed the crowd in English, ffs, it is a Dutch festival with most people present from the Netherlands. Another thing I found annoying was that, unlike Wacken, Dynamo Open Air didn't give Dutch bands a chance to showcase in front of the large crowd.
As you know, I am not a fan of Wacken, but one thing I do admire is that they book quite a few German bands and give them the much needed exposure. A German fest should promote German bands, a French one French bands, A Dutch one Dutch etc etc, |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.01.2010 at 19:12
Written by corrupt on 08.01.2010 at 18:54
Haha! Good one. Yeah, I didn't mean Cynic, I meant Gojira. I was listening to Cynic earlier today and I'm known to make these associative mistakes. Good thing nobody else noticed
Aha Gojira now that makes sense if I remember correctly they did indeed address the crowd in French last year. And rightly so I would say. That always pissed me off at Dynamo Open Air that most of the times the ver few Dutch bands playing addressed the crowd in English, ffs, it is a Dutch festival with most people present from the Netherlands. Another thing I found annoying was that, unlike Wacken, Dynamo Open Air didn't give Dutch bands a chance to showcase in front of the large crowd.
As you know, I am not a fan of Wacken, but one thing I do admire is that they book quite a few German bands and give them the much needed exposure. A German fest should promote German bands, a French one French bands, A Dutch one Dutch etc etc,
That's my point, yes. But it seems we're alone with that.
I just wrote down the few Dutch bands I know (or that I know for being Dutch). And apart from Ayreon and Textures there's only symphonic bands in my mind. Epica, Autumn, After Forever, Within Temptation etc.. Seems like your country is most famous for the music you despise the most  Maybe you should start your own festival and only promote local doom bands whose recording quality doesn't exceed that of the ordinary livingroom so the sound is as raw as possible.
Edit: Oh and of course it's forbidden to even use one word of english by penalty of an immediata ban from the grounds. |
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Written by corrupt on 08.01.2010 at 19:28
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.01.2010 at 19:12
Written by corrupt on 08.01.2010 at 18:54
Haha! Good one. Yeah, I didn't mean Cynic, I meant Gojira. I was listening to Cynic earlier today and I'm known to make these associative mistakes. Good thing nobody else noticed
Aha Gojira now that makes sense if I remember correctly they did indeed address the crowd in French last year. And rightly so I would say. That always pissed me off at Dynamo Open Air that most of the times the ver few Dutch bands playing addressed the crowd in English, ffs, it is a Dutch festival with most people present from the Netherlands. Another thing I found annoying was that, unlike Wacken, Dynamo Open Air didn't give Dutch bands a chance to showcase in front of the large crowd.
As you know, I am not a fan of Wacken, but one thing I do admire is that they book quite a few German bands and give them the much needed exposure. A German fest should promote German bands, a French one French bands, A Dutch one Dutch etc etc,
That's my point, yes. But it seems we're alone with that.
I just wrote down the few Dutch bands I know (or that I know for being Dutch). And apart from Ayreon and Textures there's only symphonic bands in my mind. Epica, Autumn, After Forever, Within Temptation etc.. Seems like your country is most famous for the music you despise the most
That's nowadays but of course we should be most famous for the late 80s early 90s death metal. Pestilence, Asphyx, Thanatos, Sempiternal Deathreign, Gorefest (although I find them to be either a borefest or a snorefest )
Pestilence and Asphyx have of course reformed and can now be joined by those other masters of old school death metal Hail Of Bullets. |
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Not to forget God Dethroned, Legion of the Damned/Occult, The Monolith Deathcult, Prostitute Disfigurement, Rompeprop, Severe Torture and Sinister. But yeah, first thing I associate with NL is Within Temptation, After Forever and Epica  |
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Gojira confirmed. So there we go with a real band for a change  |
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| Next band: Eternal Legacy. |
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Written by corrupt on 15.01.2010 at 14:38
Next "band": Metsatöll
they're not a real band? |
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| I thought the quotes were funny too. Metsatöll are alright. |
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Written by Baz Anderson on 20.01.2010 at 19:43
I thought the quotes were funny too. Metsatöll are alright.
The quotes serve as a means to subtly hint at my deeply rooted, well-established contempt for all folk metal.
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Written by corrupt on 20.01.2010 at 20:44
Written by Baz Anderson on 20.01.2010 at 19:43
I thought the quotes were funny too. Metsatöll are alright.
The quotes serve as a means to subtly hint at my deeply rooted, well-established contempt for all folk metal.
(Also I hate generalization!)
haha, i had a feeling you'd say that.. so you hate ALL folk metal? are you at least into the standard German bands almost everyone likes there like Subway and In Extremo? |
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Written by Valentin B on 21.01.2010 at 16:29
Written by corrupt on 20.01.2010 at 20:44
Written by Baz Anderson on 20.01.2010 at 19:43
I thought the quotes were funny too. Metsatöll are alright.
The quotes serve as a means to subtly hint at my deeply rooted, well-established contempt for all folk metal.
(Also I hate generalization!)
haha, i had a feeling you'd say that.. so you hate ALL folk metal? are you at least into the standard German bands almost everyone likes there like Subway and In Extremo?
The German bands you mentioned neither count as folk nor as metal. We're talking about the worst abomination of music ever created: Audible vomit. No real man plays bagpipes. And no band should need to rape violins like these do to give their music a faint hint of ...of what? Quality? Yes, because a violin is such a precious instrument, and any band using one is automatically so deep and emotional. Give me a guinea pig and a set of dissection instruments, maybe a fart-amplifier and I will show you folk metal. And don't get me started on bands using a lyre on stage that then emphasize how hard they really are (no really, they are obviously really hard) in any interview ever conducted.
I understand you speak quite a bit of German. So you at least have a feeling how ridiculously plain and shallow the lyrics of most of these idiotic sorry excuses for bands are. If they didn't sing in german, they'd never sell a single CD anywhere. Not for what they call music. The only reason there is to attract a german audience at the youngest possible age so that this audience gets used to being ear-raped and doesn realize the extreme dimension of simplicity and shallowness they're fed anymore when their minds start to develop and they turn into human beings.
We're talking about indoctrination here.
Seriously that should be punished. |
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| In Extremo were pretty awful. Subway To Sally were quite enjoyable to me. |
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Written by corrupt on 21.01.2010 at 18:15
The German bands you mentioned neither count as folk nor as metal. We're talking about the worst abomination of music ever created: Audible vomit. No real man plays bagpipes. And no band should need to rape violins like these do to give their music a faint hint of ...of what? Quality? Yes, because a violin is such a precious instrument, and any band using one is automatically so deep and emotional. Give me a guinea pig and a set of dissection instruments, maybe a fart-amplifier and I will show you folk metal. And don't get me started on bands using a lyre on stage that then emphasize how hard they really are (no really, they are obviously really hard) in any interview ever conducted.
I understand you speak quite a bit of German. So you at least have a feeling how ridiculously plain and shallow the lyrics of most of these idiotic sorry excuses for bands are. If they didn't sing in german, they'd never sell a single CD anywhere. Not for what they call music. The only reason there is to attract a german audience at the youngest possible age so that this audience gets used to being ear-raped and doesn realize the extreme dimension of simplicity and shallowness they're fed anymore when their minds start to develop and they turn into human beings.
We're talking about indoctrination here.
Seriously that should be punished.
nice rant hahahahahaha so Bon Scott wasn't a real man by your reckoning also seems you see IE and StS as some kind of pop bands considering the absurd amount of people i've met there(not only at Wacken) who rave about StS and IE(you know, the groups of 3 girls each with the histrionic make-up, dyed black hair and ripped black pantyhose..) i can see what you're talking about..
for lyrics in languages outside of Romanan i don't care too much how cheesy they are, Manowar is my 5th favorite band after all haha (especially when not talking about English, but languages i don't know too good like German or something, yeah my German may be fun to read but let's face it: it's fucking crap!), so i don't really care for In Extremo's or Subway's lyrics(especially IE's Occitan/weird half french-half spanish songs), i do like Ave Maria and some other songs by IE(not the ones they played at WOA sadly), imo they did manage to turn a religious song into a good metal tune. kinda like the first part of "Revelations" by Maiden.
there IS a very real chance i won't be able to get there this year, due to the German job opportunity in the summer, but to be honest between working some shit job and Wacken, i'll take WOA any day of the calendar.
i'm curious if there is gonna be another big band announcement or this is the final line-up when it comes to headliners. i hope not, they already have a very solid line-up but they can (and should) make it KILLER. Rammstein would be the cherry on top imo. something for the people to say "omg they couldn't have possibly gotten a better string of headliners" |
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Written by Valentin B on 21.01.2010 at 18:45
nice rant hahahahahaha so Bon Scott wasn't a real man by your reckoning also seems you see IE and StS as some kind of pop bands considering the absurd amount of people i've met there(not only at Wacken) who rave about StS and IE(you know, the groups of 3 girls each with the histrionic make-up, dyed black hair and ripped black pantyhose..) i can see what you're talking about..
for lyrics in languages outside of Romanan i don't care too much how cheesy they are, Manowar is my 5th favorite band after all haha (especially when not talking about English, but languages i don't know too good like German or something, yeah my German may be fun to read but let's face it: it's fucking crap!), so i don't really care for In Extremo's or Subway's lyrics(especially IE's Occitan/weird half french-half spanish songs), i do like Ave Maria and some other songs by IE(not the ones they played at WOA sadly), imo they did manage to turn a religious song into a good metal tune. kinda like the first part of "Revelations" by Maiden.
there IS a very real chance i won't be able to get there this year, due to the German job opportunity in the summer, but to be honest between working some shit job and Wacken, i'll take WOA any day of the calendar.
i'm curious if there is gonna be another big band announcement or this is the final line-up when it comes to headliners. i hope not, they already have a very solid line-up but they can (and should) make it KILLER. Rammstein would be the cherry on top imo. something for the people to say "omg they couldn't have possibly gotten a better string of headliners"
I disagree. As stated numerous times before, Rammstein doesn't exactly fit into the german metal scene. Yes, most of us have or do still listen to them but at least speaking for myself and a number of friends, that is for entirely different reasons than we listen to metal for. There are big MTV festivals here where they are frequent flyers and there's a pretty well-established industrial scene too. The last thing I would want is to see Rammstein in Wacken. It just doesn't feel right. Plus it would not exactly add to the variety. There are way more interesting bands out there to help with that. There's a good chance for an Arcturus reunion and the woa guys had better keep a slot open there |
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Written by corrupt on 21.01.2010 at 19:01
I disagree. As stated numerous times before, Rammstein doesn't exactly fit into the german metal scene. Yes, most of us have or do still listen to them but at least speaking for myself and a number of friends, that is for entirely different reasons than we listen to metal for. There are big MTV festivals here where they are frequent flyers and there's a pretty well-established industrial scene too. The last thing I would want is to see Rammstein in Wacken. It just doesn't feel right. Plus it would not exactly add to the variety. There are way more interesting bands out there to help with that. There's a good chance for an Arcturus reunion and the woa guys had better keep a slot open there
well, it's pretty weird since pretty much every metalhead here considers Rammstein as metal as can be... well, at least the ones who know "Ich Will" and MAYBE "Engel" too and say they're die hard fans which make up for 90% of people who have heard of them here  i've yet to come across a REAL Rammstein fan in Romania who doesn't just know those songs by them. also 99% of the times it's girls who think like that, almost every conversation is like this:
me: so, you listen to rock and metal?
poser: yeah
me: what bands?
poser: Guns n Roses, Metallica, Bon Jovi, Scorpions, Rammstein
me: oooh, Rammstein and Scorpions, what's your favorite songs by them?
poser: uhm... Ich Will and Wind of Change
me: my hard-on has just subsided because of your stupidity  |
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Written by Valentin B on 21.01.2010 at 19:10
well, it's pretty weird since pretty much every metalhead here considers Rammstein as metal as can be... well, at least the ones who know "Ich Will" and MAYBE "Engel" too and say they're die hard fans which make up for 90% of people who have heard of them here i've yet to come across a REAL Rammstein fan in Romania who doesn't just know those songs by them. also 99% of the times it's girls who think like that, almost every conversation is like this:
me: so, you listen to rock and metal?
poser: yeah
me: what bands?
poser: Guns n Roses, Metallica, Bon Jovi, Scorpions, Rammstein
me: oooh, Rammstein and Scorpions, what's your favorite songs by them?
poser: uhm... Ich Will and Wind of Change
me: my hard-on has just subsided because of your stupidity
And there you have the reason for my contempt for the german metal scene (or the worldwide one, I don't yet know) and german bands. I Germany you can, if I may simplify, break the scene down into two dominant groups of peole. One of those is pretty much the guy/girl you just described only their conception of metal reduces to the music of some or all of the following bands: In Extremo, Schandmaul, Subway to Sally, Marilyn Manson, Children Of Bodom, Metallica and a few other way too obvious numbers. While on the other hand they completely dismiss anything I'd call decent or deep as boring. Then there are the guys who were forced into metal by being outsiders at their school (or whatever) and the fact that many popular bands reflect upon exactly that experience, only turning it into a good thing. There's a behavior you can observe with many minorities (I'm also disgusted by the very same fact with about 90% of the Linux community), and that is what germans call 'Elitarismus'. I couldn't find an English word for that. It basically means that you think of yourself and the people like you as an elite because you think you differ from the masses in certain ways. For those guys the fact they have no friends (I'm simplifying!) is a good and more than that intentional thing. And for some reason this is usually combined with listening to metal. Again there are players as dominant as Children Of Bodom, Korn, Slipknot, and if you meet a guy who actually looked at the scene a bit maybe Dimmu Borgir and Immortal playing in this league.
And then, to close the circle there are all these German "folk metal" bands that just plain reap these people into their ranks while there are bands outside whose music and lyrics can make a grown man cry for being just so perfectly woven together, for lyrics so deep you can get lost inside and never find a way out again, for music that you actually have to work with to comprehend all of it, for the slight, almost inaudible melody here and there, carefully hidden under a massive wall of acoustic chaos, for all of those things you know.
And I don't even feel like elite myself. In fact I'd like to gather all of these kids in a huge hall and show them all this awesome music that is right at their hands which they'll never listen to because there's also In Extremo...
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Written by corrupt on 21.01.2010 at 20:02
And I don't even feel like elite myself. In fact I'd like to gather all of these kids in a huge hall and show them all this awesome music that is right at their hands which they'll never listen to because there's also In Extremo...
yeah i kinda get how you're feeling. i think of the amount of people who think Metallica is the greatest band in history and love all their albums (including that gigantic turd of an album released in 2003) but haven't heard other decent metal bands in their life, they only listen to Slipknot, System of a Down, Disturbed, Cradle of Filth perhaps(the amount of CoF fanbitches around here was off the charts a few years ago) maybe Nightwish(just Nemo to be more precise), Manson(Tainted Love) or Rammstein(Ich Will), and i want to play them some fucking RUNNING WILD so they can get an idea of what metal made without too much desire for cash in mind sounds.
i'm getting extremely off topic now but seriously, that band is the classic of the classics, there is no other band i've heard that sounds as classic 80s traditional metal as them, not even Priest or Maiden who helped define the genre itself. RW is out of this world.
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Written by corrupt on 01.02.2010 at 18:02
Next band: Ill Niño.
they self-confirmed on their myspace page ages ago  |
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Written by Valentin B on 01.02.2010 at 18:10
Written by corrupt on 01.02.2010 at 18:02
Next band: Ill Niño.
they self-confirmed on their myspace page ages ago
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Written by corrupt on 01.02.2010 at 18:11
Written by Valentin B on 01.02.2010 at 18:10
Written by corrupt on 01.02.2010 at 18:02
Next band: Ill Niño.
they self-confirmed on their myspace page ages ago
Why didn't you add them then?
because i don't think they're a very worthwhile band
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Written by Valentin B on 01.02.2010 at 18:15
because i don't think they're a very worthwhile band
Yes, they are nu-metal but musically they are superior to most bands playing at Wacken. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 01.02.2010 at 18:25
Written by Valentin B on 01.02.2010 at 18:15
because i don't think they're a very worthwhile band
Yes, they are nu-metal but musically they are superior to most bands playing at Wacken.
If I haven't heard it, it's news to me! Marcel, I might add your contempt for the WOA to the biggest drama category. |
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Written by corrupt on 01.02.2010 at 19:29
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 01.02.2010 at 18:25
Written by Valentin B on 01.02.2010 at 18:15
because i don't think they're a very worthwhile band
Yes, they are nu-metal but musically they are superior to most bands playing at Wacken.
If I haven't heard it, it's news to me! Marcel, I might add your contempt for the WOA to the biggest drama category.
If Ill Nino were to be announced for Hellfest I would also put them high up there. SO this has nothing to do with my contempt of all things Wacken. You people actually have no idea how low I hold Wacken. Like I said earlier the only good thing about Wacken is that they support local bands. |
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| Nothing wrong with Ill Niño IMHO. Nice to see some quality nu metal bands still being alive after the hype has died down. |
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| Ill Niño were at the first metal show (of established bands, not local bands) I ever saw... along with Chimaira and Spineshank. |
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| Two new confirmations: Smoke Blow (German punk) and Hanggai. And that latter one is quite, uh, interesting. |
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| So this is pretty much the final line-up when it comes to established bands? |
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| Newest confirmation: The New Black. Have seen them at Summer Breeze and they totally rocked! Looking forward to seeing them again |
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Well this is weird, Snakebite was on this page for like 5 months now, and only now they appeared on Wacken's bands page as the metal battle winner of Germany  |
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Written by Promonex on 23.02.2010 at 01:19
New confirmation: Tarja
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Written by corrupt on 26.02.2010 at 22:01
Written by Promonex on 23.02.2010 at 01:19
New confirmation: Tarja
I guess the newest confirmation isn't all that bad? |
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| OMG Wacken where the Metal bands sing with around 70000 Metalheads ..Really hope to come |
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Written by Dr.TeM on 05.03.2010 at 23:10
OMG Wacken where the Metal bands sing with around 70000 Metalheads ..Really hope to come
Haha. A friend of mine actually cannot come because he'll be leaving for Syria for half a year soon |
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| Seems Fear Factory got confirmed, i heard rumors about them for a while now. |
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| Next Band: Job For A Cowboy. |
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| Next Band: Killing Machine. |
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| Next Band: Rotting Christ. |
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| Sweet! |
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As if we didn't already have enough folk metal...
Next Band: Svartsot. |
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Written by corrupt on 21.03.2010 at 23:07
As if we didn't already have enough folk metal
Well, you do know folk metal is immensely hot in the live circuit recently, right? It seels out every single venue it is programmed in, no matter how crap the band is. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.03.2010 at 23:08
Written by corrupt on 21.03.2010 at 23:07
As if we didn't already have enough folk metal
Well, you do know folk metal is immensely hot in the live circuit recently, right? It seels out every single venue it is programmed in, no matter how crap the band is.
i'm pretty sure what you wanted to say was: OMG THIS FESTIVAL IS LIKE SO OVERRATED KILL THE ORGANIZERS NOW AND SAVE OUR BELOVED METAL GENRE FROM COMPLETE DESTRUCTION!!! |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.03.2010 at 23:08
Written by corrupt on 21.03.2010 at 23:07
As if we didn't already have enough folk metal
Well, you do know folk metal is immensely hot in the live circuit recently, right? It seels out every single venue it is programmed in, no matter how crap the band is.
I have come across that matter, yes. Seems the two of us are in agreement here. I'll certainly mark that day in my calendar
And as far as the whole folk metal thing goes, I don't think it would be half as annoying if it didn't become increasingly difficult to see a good band live and enjoy the whole concert without either a metalcore or a folk band opening. Or both, as in case of Kreator, Caliban and Eluveitie. |
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Well some bad news for the those who had plans to see Primal Fear at Wacken...they have cancelled the concert and below you can read the official statement that they've posted at their official site.
Dear Metalheads, we are very sorry having to announce that Primal Fear will not play at this years Wacken Open Air festival. Due to an important private appointment, it is impossible for the band to appear. But both Primal Fear and The W:O:A Team wil ltry to make up for Wacken Open Air 2011.''
Your W:O:A Team & Primal Fear |
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It is almost too obvious. Marcel, if you read this, this is your chance
Today they confirmed Frei.Wild. Their latest worthless hype nobody cared for since 2001. Keep it up long enough, give them enough stage-appearance, maybe some airplay and eventually the people will surrender and start buying. If only to make it stop... |
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Written by corrupt on 28.03.2010 at 22:51
It is almost too obvious. Marcel, if you read this, this is your chance
Today they confirmed Frei.Wild. Their latest worthless hype nobody cared for since 2001. Keep it up long enough, give them enough stage-appearance, maybe some airplay and eventually the people will surrender and start buying. If only to make it stop...
Actually the hype is not only about Frei.Wild, but about any band associated with Böhse Onkelz. There even is a four day festival full of Onkelz worship and cover bands which attracted 10,000 visitors last year. And at the bar I work at people keep wishing Onkelz and similar bands, so that the boss even introduced an "Onkelz hour" on Saturday. I guess this is just a thing we normal people will never understand. |
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