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Rammstein - Bustle In Belarus, Cont'd
Original news, posted on 24.02.2010
Rammstein are in trouble... again. Authorities in Belarus have declared Germany's Rammstein a threat to the state. They questioned an upcoming concert in Minsk, saying letting it go on would be a "costly mistake" for the country.
Rammstein's music could "destroy the Belarusian state system," said the country's Public Council on Morality on Monday. The Council described the band's songs as propaganda for "violence, masochism, homosexuality and other abnormalities" and said "permitting a Rammstein concert would be a costly mistake."
The German group, which is known for the sexual and violent nature of its lyrics, was scheduled to perform at Minsk Arena on March 7. Writer Mikalay Charhinets, head of the government's Public Council on Morality said he regretted that tickets had already been sold for the concert, but that if the event were to take place, the program would need to be revised in order to prevent "extremism."
Belarus is a former Soviet republic and has been ruled since 1994 by President Alexander Lukashenko, who has been referred to as Europe's "last dictator." The country's Public Council on Morality, a state-sponsored censorship agency, was founded in 2009 and has been accused of suppressing freedom of opinion.
The Rammstein concert organizers told the Interfax-West news agency on Monday that they had "no information that Rammstein will spread violent, perverse, cruel or Nazi ideology at their concert in Minsk."
UPDATE
In an ongoing quest of the Belarusian Public Council on Morality to make complete fools of themselves, the members of the Council now demand a preview of the show that Rammstein are scheduled to perform in Minsk on March 7. Here's the story as reported by Naviny.by - a Belarusian news site:
"The members of the Council believe that with its work, the band openly propagates homosexuality, masochism and other perversions, as well as cruelty, violence and abusive language," the Public Council on Morality said in a statement issued on Monday. "The group's concerts often feature live acts of intercourse, ejaculation and acts of imitating the Nazis."
"We looked through pictures and watched videos of Rammstein shows," Mikalay Charhinets, chairman of the Council who heads the government-backed Union of Writers of Belarus, said in an interview with BelaPAN. "They really show pornographic, violent and cruel scenes," he said.
The Council wants officials who have permitted the show to watch the preview "to either ban the concert or bear responsibility for the propagation of violence, cruelty and Nazi ideology," Mr. Charhinets said.
An organizer of the show told BelaPAN that no appeals for the preview had been submitted by the culture ministry or any organizations.
Founded in July 2009 at the suggestion of the Belarusian Exarchate of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Union of Writers of Belarus, the Public Council on Morality includes around 30 members -- representatives of the Orthodox, Catholic, Judaic and Muslim denominations, public associations and art unions, as well as art figures, educators and scholars. Its officially declared priority is to tackle problem issues in society.
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.02.2010 at 14:36
And how many mentally instable people have killed or used violence because of computer games and films? Almost zero to none.
Not that I wanted to become a part of this or anything... but your statements are just as unfounded. |
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Written by Baz Anderson on 26.02.2010 at 14:41
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.02.2010 at 14:36
And how many mentally instable people have killed or used violence because of computer games and films? Almost zero to none.
Not that I wanted to become a part of this or anything... but your statements are just as unfounded.
You're actually saying that almost no-one has been killed by neo-nazis in Russia where in fact hundreds of immigrant have been killed and beaten senseless? And that as many people have been killed or been beaten senseless due to computer games and films? PLease Barry, if that is the case I urge you to follow the news a bit more closely  |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 26.02.2010 at 14:54
You're actually saying that almost no-one has been killed by neo-nazis in Russia where in fact hundreds of immigrant have been killed and beaten senseless? And that as many people have been killed or been beaten senseless due to computer games and films? PLease Barry, if that is the case I urge you to follow the news a bit more closely
Marcel, I think you need to follow my post a little more closely. I mentioned nothing about Nazis. |
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Question: is there any number-of-kills-limit over which the "possible motivation for murder" is "serious and dangerous" and under which is "meaningless"?
i mean - if NS bands are possible offenders of violence and are being banned for that, how about all possible offenders of violence will be banned?...because 100 kills or 1 kill...still it is evil |
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Ellrohir... once again... it is about the ideology behind the killings.
Neo-nazism propagates violence as a means to an end and they find it legitimate to use against immigrants to scare them away.
The producer creating the films and computer games don't have the intention to instigate violence. That's why you can't compare the two. |
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Written by Ellrohir on 26.02.2010 at 15:07
Question: is there any number-of-kills-limit over which the "possible motivation for murder" is "serious and dangerous" and under which is "meaningless"?
i mean - if NS bands are possible offenders of violence and are being banned for that, how about all possible offenders of violence will be banned?...because 100 kills or 1 kill...still it is evil
screw this. i know you feel pretty much the same way, how about this: guns don't kill people, just like music/GTA/videgames/neonazism(in itself) doesn't kill people. as long as there is not an entire society of people out to perform illegal acts against a certain race/nationality/state/etc., it's the people who are fucked up in the head they should be after, not the message itself. |
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This is not the issue here.
I think that the bad taste that this news leaves is that communism, this fucked up ideology (same an nazism) still lingers in the minds and actions of some elites. Everything that can fight it (music, movies, books, art) should be encouraged. |
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First of all, I think every country's politics have commented something extremely idiotic about things they don't quite understand so in that way this didn't surprise me at all, that's just what politics do because they want to give an impression that they are on top of every single thing that is happening in their country and as we have established here, the politics in Belarus are not exactly on the spot when it comes to modern western culture.. But the latest news stands that the ban is lifted so not a big harm done.
Secondly, I wish world would be as black&white as some of you people imply but unfortunately it's not. Guns don't kill, bad people do, that's true but you can't compare guns as an object and neo-nazism an ideology.. If there would be a group of people who would rally for shooting people that you could compare to another ideology.
With this naive logic that there is nothing bad with ideology, just with the people who act out also there wouldn't be anything bad in child pornography.. watching the pictures does hurt anyone  I'm sure, or at least hope, that most of you now think "omg, I would never ever support such a sick thing by watching any of that kind of material". If the ideology prompt to commit criminal acts against another human being the ideology is dangerous, if you support the ideology you are potentially dangerous no matter if you have actually commit the crime already or not or even ever will.
Video game industry's agenda is not to prompt people to commit the violence in the real world but unfortunately that happens too sometimes although in those cases there are other more important factors than just playing GTA, such as mental issues. |
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 Zeh - 28.02.2010 at 00:32
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Written by Bad English on 25.02.2010 at 17:16
Written by Zeh on 25.02.2010 at 14:34
There is a rule of the world that says:
Bad propaganda means Good propaganda.
Either way, I always liked their songs.
Say it to band fans whow ant go to Belorussia to gig , they vare stucked in one country for eternity so its not like band banned in rotterdam I go to Amsterdam, or Germany
Don't take it so seriously. It sucks, but life is cruel.
My point of view is more on a marketing bias. Fans won't get the show, people who don't know the band will be introduced indirectly.
For those who are old enough, PC game Carmageddon was banned in Brazil. And one of the most commented games ever. |
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| The moral committee now wants to attend a Rammstein show in order to see if they should be banned. not quite giving them their freedom of speech but imo it is at least a step forward. |
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"Fuck the RussiaBelarus!"
Seriously, Rammstein are not an "issue in society", they are a group of artists expressing themselves. I don't even like their music anymore, but this form of administered punishment on behalf of a governmental organization just shows how narrow-minded some people are, or at least how fearful of anything "immoral".
Speaking of being politically correct: homosexuality is considered a perversion and an abnormality? Would they view Halford as a threat to their government's infrastructure? Please enlighten me if Priest have ever been denied from performing on account of their lead singer being perverted and abnormal. |
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So now the motive becomes clear...
They just wanted their own private show!  |
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| Shit country aleways be shit country , nothing more to edd |
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| Rammstein as neo-nazis? That seems like an unusual and unfounded statement. By the way, it does seem that there might be a few Jews in that band. Wow. |
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Probably they have listened to this but noone told them already, it is not by Rammstein... 
i also have heard, that Till was once accused of pronouncing "r" in the same way as Hitler did, which obviously means propaganda...  |
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| Our society has no moral compass, and just keeps pushing the envelope more and more of what's "acceptable." Before you know it, anyone who opposes anything will be held in regard as bigots. Where do we draw the line? |
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| DEATH TO ALL, the human race sucks:D Ze world should be ruled by squirrels! |
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Written by Italics on 02.03.2010 at 09:57
Our society has no moral compass, and just keeps pushing the envelope more and more of what's "acceptable." Before you know it, anyone who opposes anything will be held in regard as bigots. Where do we draw the line?
If you keep drawing lines, people will just continue to try and cross them, or like you said: "push the envelope." This being said, I think values in society are cyclical, going from periods of religious revival to rebellion over and over again. We are reaching the point where nothing is shocking anymore, a sad and numb feeling...
not even Rammstein's new video was that crazy compared to some "shock" videos that exist on the internet... |
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Written by Introspekrieg on 02.03.2010 at 18:51
not even Rammstein's new video was that crazy compared to some "shock" videos that exist on the internet...
you mean...every second porn vid?  |
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Written by Ellrohir on 02.03.2010 at 19:08
Written by Introspekrieg on 02.03.2010 at 18:51
not even Rammstein's new video was that crazy compared to some "shock" videos that exist on the internet...
you mean...every second porn vid?
Well, the Rammstein video was a little crazier than regular porn because of the keyboardist's tits xD |
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Ok, ok...so lets say every third porn vid available  |
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Xim - 03.03.2010 at 17:56
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| Where do people get idea that they're Nazis? Because they're German? |
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