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| Sweet. Silje is a great vocalist and suits Jonas' voice. |
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Guest vocals on a Katatonia record?
Do not want. Concentrate on the music and stop getting superficial outside influences and elements to cover for the fact your last few albums have been your weakest. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 17.05.2012 at 13:30
Guest vocals on a Katatonia record?
Do not want. Concentrate on the music and stop getting superficial outside influences and elements.
In the last album they had Krister Linder in "Departer" and Frank Default was also there lurking in the musical mix. |
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Written by disarray on 17.05.2012 at 13:34
In the last album they had Krister Linder in "Departer" and Frank Default was also there lurking in the musical mix.
And the last album was amongst the worst ever done by the band. Case and point. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 17.05.2012 at 13:35
And the last album was amongst the worst ever done by the band. Case and point.
I would even say their last is their worst. And the one before that was only slightly better. |
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| Nah, he's telling the truth, Katatonia are getting meh. They have to fix that. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.05.2012 at 13:38
I would even say their last is their worst. And the one before that was only slightly better.
I would say they're about even, both a massively huge fall from Viva Emptiness. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 17.05.2012 at 13:39
I would say they're about even, both a massively huge fall from Viva Emptiness.
They are about even but the last one bores me just a tad more. But both are indeed a massive fall from Viva Emptiness. It is like with Viva you are on top of the mountains in the Grand Canyon and with the other two you are at the bottom of the ravines there. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.05.2012 at 13:41
It is like with Viva you are on top of the mountains in the Grand Canyon and with the other two you are at the bottom of the ravines there.
Yep that about sums it up  |
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| I don't find TGCD to be that bad, but maybe this has to do with the fact that it was my first Katatonia album. |
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| I don't know if it'll end up good but I'm curious. But I have to agree that "Night Is The New Day" was meeh. |
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Stoned Crow - 17.05.2012 at 14:33
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| Great choice, her vocals are really awesome to this kinda atmosphere... |
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 BudDa - 17.05.2012 at 16:38
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| I think they are going to continue in the same vein. So, either they are oblivious to the fact that they are making "weak" albums or they know but just don't care. |
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| Maybe they'll finally assert themselves as one of the most unnecessary bands around... |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 17.05.2012 at 17:12
Maybe they'll finally assert themselves as one of the most unnecessary bands around...
Define "necessary"? Last I checked 90%+ of metal bands aren't necessary as they aren't bringing anything new to the table. And as it stands I can't think of any band particularly worthy of taking Katatonia's spot, despite a couple of average albums. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 17.05.2012 at 17:15
Define "necessary"?
That was definitely more of a personal opinion as opposed to me objectively stating they're an unnecessary band. Obviously they have a massive following and a great many people love the fact they continue to exist, but these guys have been dead to me for... ever since I checked them out? Aside from the BMD era, all of their releases don't do anything for me. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 17.05.2012 at 17:18
That was definitely more of a personal opinion as opposed to me objectively stating they're an unnecessary band. Obviously they have a massive following and a great many people love the fact they continue to exist, but these guys have been dead to me for... ever since I checked them out? Aside from the BMD era, all of their releases don't do anything for me.
Well they're definitely dead from the waste down post-Viva, but then that's how I feel about Paradise Lost after their debut. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 17.05.2012 at 17:18
Aside from the BMD era, all of their releases don't do anything for me.
Huh, I thought you liked the debut. |
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I will neglect to comment here as to not start a flaming rant, but for the record, I think you're all delusional.   |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 17.05.2012 at 18:23
Huh, I thought you liked the debut.
I do. And the few EPs that came out around the same time... all the death doom stuff, basically. As soon as they started getting into the alt-rock style I lost interest. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 17.05.2012 at 18:50
Written by Mr. Doctor on 17.05.2012 at 18:23
Huh, I thought you liked the debut.
I do. And the few EPs that came out around the same time... all the death doom stuff, basically. As soon as they started getting into the alt-rock style I lost interest.
Oh, sorry... I just misunderstood your comment when you said BMD-era. I usually have the habit of separating Katatonia in three eras because of the three different styles they have done.
Actually, there's a fourth one, when they did only one long song that was like pure goth rock. |
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Written by strade on 17.05.2012 at 18:30
I will neglect to comment here as to not start a flaming rant, but for the record, I think you're all delusional.
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| I usually frown on bands dragging guest musicians to their albums, but in this case... no, wait, I still think it sucks. |
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We'll have to wait and see what the result is. It's really weird how every discussion about Katatonia leads to how much their new stuff sucks and how awesome they were until Brave Murder Day.
I for one am still glad they exist whatever is it that they're doing |
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Written by InnerSelf on 17.05.2012 at 19:59
how much their new stuff sucks and how awesome they were until The Great Cold Distance.
Fixed. Although I like that album too, but the difference in quality between Viva Emptiness and The Great Cold Distance is still very large. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 17.05.2012 at 20:06
Written by InnerSelf on 17.05.2012 at 19:59
how much their new stuff sucks and how awesome they were until The Great Cold Distance.
Fixed. Although I like that album too, but the difference in quality between Viva Emptiness and The Great Cold Distance is still very large.
Agreed. I'm with the group of people who loved TGCD and actually enjoyed NitND a big amount |
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Written by InnerSelf on 17.05.2012 at 20:13
Agreed. I'm with the group of people who loved TGCD and actually enjoyed NitND a big amount
One of the reasons I liked TGCD so much is because it was my first Katatonia album so it gets some value there, I bet that if I listened to it after listening to everything before it I wouldn't like it that much. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 17.05.2012 at 20:19
Written by InnerSelf on 17.05.2012 at 20:13
Agreed. I'm with the group of people who loved TGCD and actually enjoyed NitND a big amount
One of the reasons I liked TGCD so much is because it was my first Katatonia album so it gets some value there, I bet that if I listened to it after listening to everything before it I wouldn't like it that much.
I started with Katatonia chronologically, I used to dislike Viva Emptiness and prefer TGCD to it but as time passed by Viva became more interesting and it was obvious that it was the better album |
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Written by InnerSelf on 17.05.2012 at 20:13
Agreed. I'm with the group of people who loved TGCD and actually enjoyed NitND a big amount
Me too. Can't say I loved TGCD, but definitively liked it. |
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| My Twin is a great song but there's so much filler, and the adoption of that horrible mechanical, sterile pseudo-metal tone/sound was not pleasing to mine ears. They should go back to the more rock-ish sound of Viva. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 17.05.2012 at 21:35
My Twin is a great song but there's so much filler, and the adoption of that horrible mechanical, sterile pseudo-metal tone/sound was not pleasing to mine ears. They should go back to the more rock-ish sound of Viva.
It does have many fillers but also some tracks I really really like. Maybe because it was my first Katatonia album but I listen to them from time to time and still enjoy them. Leaders, Deliberation, My Twin and my personal favorite In The White are great songs imo. The rest is hit or miss.  I also noticed now that you mentioned it that the sound itself is quite sterile, which makes me sad. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 17.05.2012 at 21:47
It does have many fillers but also some tracks I really really like. Maybe because it was my first Katatonia album but I listen to them from time to time and still enjoy them. Leaders, Deliberation, My Twin and my personal favorite In The White are great songs imo. The rest is hit or miss.
Yeah there's definitely some very good tracks on it (can't remember what ones they are though). |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 17.05.2012 at 21:51
Yeah there's definitely some very good tracks on it (can't remember what ones they are though).
The live setting (Live Consternation) seems to improve them a little when it comes to sound. |
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| I might be called crazy for this but I must be one of the few people out there who prefers their new stuff in comparison to their old stuff. I enjoy their old stuff too but Viva Emptiness and beyond are my favourites. |
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| Last few records are really awesome!! Some people on here just like to moaning all the time - it's not metal enough - blah, blah!!! |
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Written by woodsmoke666 on 17.05.2012 at 23:59
Some people on here just like to moaning all the time - it's not metal enough - blah, blah!!!
You didn't read my comment very closely did you?
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Kenos - 18.05.2012 at 03:36
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 18.05.2012 at 00:01
Written by woodsmoke666 on 17.05.2012 at 23:59
Some people on here just like to moaning all the time - it's not metal enough - blah, blah!!!
You didn't read my comment very closely did you?
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and the adoption of that horrible mechanical, sterile pseudo-metal tone/sound was not pleasing to mine ears. They should go back to the more rock-ish sound of Viva.
Wasn't pointing out a specific post
Maybe I approach music differently these days but I try to judge every release without comparing it to the bands back catalogue. Sometimes you just have a accept bands need to experiment and do something different. |
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| Nice to hear about Silje lending her voice to Katatonia. I do admit I haven't had any time nor interest to check their post-Viva Emptiness work but this might even motivate me to pick this band up again. The duet of Jonas Renkse and Anneke van Giersbergen was wonderful on Ayreon's 010101 album, tho... |
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