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Written by Unhealer on 25.08.2012 at 19:12
I don't know if it has been proposed yet, but we could have a Best Album Art category for the MS Awards 2012, right?
Thing is without the chance to give negative votes, the results would likely be biased towards the music and not the art itself.
We've been talking about this and it seems the general consensus is that it would just be a popular vote not based on reality (of what is a good cover and what isn't).
Which is soooo not like the actual MS Awards  but still, for people who DO check out the nominees in the MS awards in order to vote for the best ones, their reward is discovering more good albums. If you'd check out the "cover" nominees though, you'd get 10 seconds of visual pleasure. So it's not very rewarding. |
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Written by Milena on 25.08.2012 at 20:24
for people who DO check out the nominees in the MS awards in order to vote for the best ones, their reward is discovering more good albums. If you'd check out the "cover" nominees though, you'd get 10 seconds of visual pleasure. So it's not very rewarding.
Yeah, that's my reason to be against the idea. |
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Written by Milena on 25.08.2012 at 20:24
If you'd check out the "cover" nominees though, you'd get 10 seconds of visual pleasure. So it's not very rewarding.
That is a very valid reason. I think it'd be rewarding for me, but really not for everyone.
Written by Milena on 25.08.2012 at 20:24
Which is soooo not like the actual MS Awards
I insist that if the MS Awards had this 5 positive votes and 5 negative votes or something similar, the results would be a lot less fanboy-driven.
Thing is that system doesn't sound very aesthetic for such awards... |
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Written by Unhealer on 25.08.2012 at 21:25
I insist that if the MS Awards had this 5 positive votes and 5 negative votes or something similar, the results would be a lot less fanboy-driven.
Thing is that system doesn't sound very aesthetic for such awards...
It's not a bad suggestion at all actually, though there's a 1001 ways for people to misuse it. |
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 Fredd - 25.08.2012 at 22:13
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Written by Milena on 25.08.2012 at 21:49
though there's a 1001 ways for people to misuse it.
just look at all the kids rating an album 10 and the rest 1. |
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T those bitching about Full album artwork being used I have a few things to say:
1. This fun contest is there not to reward the artists behind the music but the ones behind the visual impact of the album. So, with that in mind, if the Cover is part of a bigger piece made by the artist, it makes sense to count it in.
2. Vynils are bigger then CDs and often the cover has more details. Should we eliminate Vynil cover art because it's not the most commun cover poeople can reffer to? I don't think so.
3. If i limited edition comes out with a different artwork for the same album should it count in ? Yes, since the artist made the effort of renewing his work for a handfull of fans I think it deserves recognition.
Fogg out |
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Oaken - 26.08.2012 at 00:42
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| Meh, a worst cover contest is what we need. |
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Written by deadbraincells on 24.08.2012 at 15:10
I see. I guess this is what happens when I don't vote - all the wimps decide to vote their shit up. Nice going.
Written by aenimafist on 24.08.2012 at 06:43
Are you fucking serious? None of the one's I chose?
This is why we can't have nice things. |
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Written by Oaken on 26.08.2012 at 00:42
Meh, a worst cover contest is what we need.
i thought this is it  |
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Oaken - 26.08.2012 at 01:33
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Written by Ellrohir on 26.08.2012 at 01:25
Written by Oaken on 26.08.2012 at 00:42
Meh, a worst cover contest is what we need.
i thought this is it
Seriously though, we need one. |
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| How does the cormorant artwork even fit on a cd/vinyl?!?!? Its beautiful though. |
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Written by Vermoorden on 26.08.2012 at 05:50
How does the cormorant artwork even fit on a cd/vinyl?!?!? Its beautiful though.
Their is something magical one can do with paper. It's called folding. I shit you not progress just keeps on going. |
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Fredd - 26.08.2012 at 07:21
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Written by Edmund Fogg on 26.08.2012 at 06:30
Written by Vermoorden on 26.08.2012 at 05:50
How does the cormorant artwork even fit on a cd/vinyl?!?!? Its beautiful though.
Their is something magical one can do with paper. It's called folding. I shit you not progress just keeps on going.
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Written by Edmund Fogg on 26.08.2012 at 06:30
Written by Vermoorden on 26.08.2012 at 05:50
How does the cormorant artwork even fit on a cd/vinyl?!?!? Its beautiful though.
Their is something magical one can do with paper. It's called folding. I shit you not progress just keeps on going.
Derp derp, but that kinda ruins the flow youknow? Id rather buy a huge rectangle shaped album then one with 3/4ths of the cover hidden inside the case.
I'll have to check into this folding sorcery though. Looks pretty blasphemous. |
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Written by Unhealer on 25.08.2012 at 21:25
I insist that if the MS Awards had this 5 positive votes and 5 negative votes or something similar, the results would be a lot less fanboy-driven.
Thing is that system doesn't sound very aesthetic for such awards...
this is a hilarious assertion.
because when, say, 552 Mastodon fans show up to vote for sludge/stoner, those 2760 negative votes aren't going to tank the living hell out of bands like Sleestak's scores, amirite?
if you look at the results it's just one or maybe two bands running away with most categories... average margin of victory in larger categories is 200, 300, 400... hell, Amorphis nearly locked up half the votes (648 of 1300) in their category, beating the next 12 bands vote totals combined.
you'll just have a ton of lesser known bands who released great material with negative scores.
not to mention that the amount of work that goes in to the awards as it is is near Herculean for the 10 or so that step up. |
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Written by BitterCOld on 26.08.2012 at 19:23
because when, say, 552 Mastodon fans show up to vote for sludge/stoner, those 2760 negative votes aren't going to tank the living hell out of bands like Sleestak's scores, amirite?
It may work at times, since there are also other 4 votes that'd go for bands that deserve it. Not for the lesser known bands probably if you do some math, but yeah, I noticed THAT specific system wouldn't work.
I thought of that based on the results of this contest. I believe, for example, Amon Amarth/Wintersun fans were voting that awful artwork out of fanboy-ism or whatever and giving negative votes to other potential winners that might hold a chance against their favourite band. At the same time, they (hopefully) gave positive votes to artwork they fairly liked and negatives to the ones they didn't.
This way, fanboy-driven candidates eliminate each other, while the rest of the people go though the artworks and rightfully choose their favorite artworks and then these have an actual chance of winning.
It's just a theory, one would have to go though the actual results and check... but don't you believe that if this contest had been positive votes only we'd have a very different (and fanboy-ish) set of results? |
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Fredd - 26.08.2012 at 20:48
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Written by Unhealer on 26.08.2012 at 20:04
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well, a single positive and a single negative vote would be better for that. but i dont think downvoting is a good idea anyway. |
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Written by Fredd on 26.08.2012 at 20:48
well, a single positive and a single negative vote would be better for that. but i dont think downvoting is a good idea anyway.
Yup, just the idea of thinking "MS Awards 2012!!! Vote your favourite band and prevent your least favourite band from winning!!!" sounds awful, even if it may have a chance of giving better results. |
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Fredd - 26.08.2012 at 21:00
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Written by Unhealer on 26.08.2012 at 20:56
Yup, just the idea of thinking "MS Awards 2012!!! Vote your favourite band and prevent your least favourite band from winning!!!" sounds awful, even if it may have a chance of giving better results.
that and the fact that a sizeable proportion of votes are made by people who may be directed to vote for a certain band by the band on their FB page or whatever. they'd just upvote for what they came here to vote for and downvote their quota at random. |
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Written by Unhealer on 26.08.2012 at 20:04
It may work at times, since there are also other 4 votes that'd go for bands that deserve it. Not for the lesser known bands probably if you do some math, but yeah, I noticed THAT specific system wouldn't work.
I thought of that based on the results of this contest. I believe, for example, Amon Amarth/Wintersun fans were voting that awful artwork out of fanboy-ism or whatever and giving negative votes to other potential winners that might hold a chance against their favourite band. At the same time, they (hopefully) gave positive votes to artwork they fairly liked and negatives to the ones they didn't.
This way, fanboy-driven candidates eliminate each other, while the rest of the people go though the artworks and rightfully choose their favorite artworks and then these have an actual chance of winning.
It's just a theory, one would have to go though the actual results and check... but don't you believe that if this contest had been positive votes only we'd have a very different (and fanboy-ish) set of results?
it wouldn't. if you don't think staff have analyzed patterns and discussed options you are delusional. hell, you're delusional if you think everyone listens to everything in every category they vote in.
i'd rather have fanbois voting for their favorite album than fanbois voting for their favorite album and randomly punishing other acts.
i do see THIS contest would have different results, but THIS contest is not the MSA's. we didn't have people popping in out of the woodwork, promoting on facebook, nor MS staff contacting the top 50 and further cuts encouraging votes.
to a certain extent the majority of voting is fanboi voting, just a question of who has the biggest army of fanbois. |
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Written by BitterCOld on 27.08.2012 at 04:48
it wouldn't. if you don't think staff have analyzed patterns and discussed options you are delusional. hell, you're delusional if you think everyone listens to everything in every category they vote in.
Take it easy, it was just an observation, I didn't say "You system is shit, change it" or meant any disrespect.
And you are right, checking out an artwork is a hell lotta different from checking out an album. |
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| It's not worth bothering to vote at this point, but the middle one is definitely the best. The other two are total duds. That's not to say the middle one is particularly amazing but it's pretty cool. |
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Written by Ceddybu on 28.08.2012 at 05:33
It's not worth bothering to vote at this point, but the middle one is definitely the best.
Then why wouldn't you vote for the middle one? Not that I'm trying to get you to vote one of my favourite albums into a win.  |
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Fredd - 28.08.2012 at 13:45
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Written by R'Vannith on 28.08.2012 at 13:27
Not that I'm trying to get you to vote one of my favourite albums into a win.
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Written by Fredd on 28.08.2012 at 13:45
Written by R'Vannith on 28.08.2012 at 13:27
Not that I'm trying to get you to vote one of my favourite albums into a win.
And you certainly haven't been implementing a bit of persuasion of your own have you Fredd?  |
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Fredd - 28.08.2012 at 13:52
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Written by R'Vannith on 28.08.2012 at 13:49
And you certainly haven't been implementing a bit of persuasion of your own have you Fredd?
Preposterous! How could I!  |
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Written by R'Vannith on 28.08.2012 at 13:27
Written by Ceddybu on 28.08.2012 at 05:33
It's not worth bothering to vote at this point, but the middle one is definitely the best.
Then why wouldn't you vote for the middle one? Not that I'm trying to get you to vote one of my favourite albums into a win.
Personally I'm not concerned with which one wins. In my personal poll the middle one wins by a margin of 1 vote. Congratulations |
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Written by Ceddybu on 28.08.2012 at 19:13
Personally I'm not concerned with which one wins. In my personal poll the middle one wins by a margin of 1 vote. Congratulations
Sorry. |
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Written by Unhealer on 29.08.2012 at 06:12
Written by Ceddybu on 28.08.2012 at 19:13
Personally I'm not concerned with which one wins. In my personal poll the middle one wins by a margin of 1 vote. Congratulations
Sorry.
haters gonna hate. |
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| And the winner is... Football in the Groin. |
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Fredd - 01.09.2012 at 12:10
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qlacs - 03.09.2012 at 22:04
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Written by qlacs on 03.09.2012 at 22:04
He wasn't asking for the winner. The title suggests "Metal Storm's Favorite Album Artwork: The Results!" but except Cormorant I don't see which cover ended up on what place.
Oh, I assumed he just meant the final result. Would be interesting to see a ranking I suppose, and how many votes they each got. |
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