"But who is the new vocalist? That is the million-dollar question."

Who cares about the new vocalist? He/she won't add anything to the music. It's death metal, peeps. Them death vocalists gonna sound like Cookie Monster no matter what.

Written by Jiri on 11.09.2014 at 18:03

Who cares about the new vocalist? He/she won't add anything to the music.

But what if it is Dani...

Awesome! Can't wait to get it!

Great news.

I enjoyed the last disc back in '08. I hope they delivered and make a strong comeback with this new crushing album.

Written by Jiri on 11.09.2014 at 18:03

"But who is the new vocalist? That is the million-dollar question."

Who cares about the new vocalist? He/she won't add anything to the music. It's death metal, peeps. Them death vocalists gonna sound like Cookie Monster no matter what.

Ehh, depends on the vocalist. Martin van Drunen and Tom Hardy do not have cookie monster vocals

Written by Hex_Omega on 11.09.2014 at 18:34

Written by Jiri on 11.09.2014 at 18:03

Who cares about the new vocalist? He/she won't add anything to the music.

But what if it is Dani...

indeed.

I didn't like the "sludgy" part of it

Seeing them at Inferno! Gonna be good!

To be honest I have no idea what this album is gonna sound like, that's why it's really exciting. If it's gonna be a slow album I hope it'll have Necros Christos vibe to it for some reason

Written by Guest on 11.09.2014 at 19:22

Written by Jiri on 11.09.2014 at 18:03

"But who is the new vocalist? That is the million-dollar question."

Who cares about the new vocalist? He/she won't add anything to the music. It's death metal, peeps. Them death vocalists gonna sound like Cookie Monster no matter what.

Ehh, depends on the vocalist. Martin van Drunen and Tom Hardy do not have cookie monster vocals

Yeah, it struck me as odd that someone with a couple extreme bands listed in his profile would say that. Compare say...Martin Van Drunen to Chris Barnes. Huge world of difference. I think adding or not adding anything to the music is really dependent on which vocalist it is.

Raw and sludgy? I'm excited for this one. I did like The Fathomless Mastery, but it was just a little too technical for my Bloodbath tastes. Hopefully this will be a return to the somewhat simplistic approach that Resurrection had.

Written by Doc G. on 11.09.2014 at 22:04

Yeah, it struck me as odd that someone with a couple extreme bands listed in his profile would say that. Compare say...Martin Van Drunen to Chris Barnes. Huge world of difference. I think adding or not adding anything to the music is really dependent on which vocalist it is.

Raw and sludgy? I'm excited for this one. I did like The Fathomless Mastery, but it was just a little too technical for my Bloodbath tastes. Hopefully this will be a return to the somewhat simplistic approach that Resurrection had.

Dude, I love extreme music, but you can't tell me death metal vox have variation. I have been listening to extreme metal for 9 years now I am am yet to hear a more than marginal difference between these guys. Sometimes, their pitch will be a little diff, ranging from uber low to mid range, but not enough to make me curious who the new vocalist for Bloodbath will be.

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I can tell the difference between some. Dan Swano, Corpsegrinder Fischer, Mikael Akerfeldt, Jan-Chris de Koeijer, David Vincent, Jeff Walker and LG Petrov come to mind.

A lot are generic growlers though with no discerning style of their own.

I know there are slight differences. I can hear those diffs, but just not enough to make a difference in the new vocalist Bloodbath selects. Unless the replacement is absolutely horrible at growling or something. Anyone that can proficiently growl will satisfy. It's not like singers, where the choice means a lot. Singers have to fit into the writing style, hit the right notes, etc. That's not the case here. It's just growling.

Written by Jiri on 12.09.2014 at 05:32

I know there are slight differences. I can hear those diffs, but just not enough to make a difference in the new vocalist Bloodbath selects. Unless the replacement is absolutely horrible at growling or something. Anyone that can proficiently growl will satisfy. It's not like singers, where the choice means a lot. Singers have to fit into the writing style, hit the right notes, etc. That's not the case here. It's just growling.

Being able to proficiently growl isn't sufficient. An understanding of phrasing and the mastery of different screaming techniques and when to use them makes a huge difference. Have you heard Cattle Decapitation's latest album? Prime example of how an extreme metal vocalist can change everything.

Written by LeKiwi on 12.09.2014 at 05:44

Written by Jiri on 12.09.2014 at 05:32

I know there are slight differences. I can hear those diffs, but just not enough to make a difference in the new vocalist Bloodbath selects. Unless the replacement is absolutely horrible at growling or something. Anyone that can proficiently growl will satisfy. It's not like singers, where the choice means a lot. Singers have to fit into the writing style, hit the right notes, etc. That's not the case here. It's just growling.

Being able to proficiently growl isn't sufficient. An understanding of phrasing and the mastery of different screaming techniques and when to use them makes a huge difference. Have you heard Cattle Decapitation's latest album? Prime example of how an extreme metal vocalist can change everything.

In your opinion, bro.

To me, death metal vox don't really matter.

Written by Jiri on 12.09.2014 at 06:40

Written by LeKiwi on 12.09.2014 at 05:44

Written by Jiri on 12.09.2014 at 05:32

I know there are slight differences. I can hear those diffs, but just not enough to make a difference in the new vocalist Bloodbath selects. Unless the replacement is absolutely horrible at growling or something. Anyone that can proficiently growl will satisfy. It's not like singers, where the choice means a lot. Singers have to fit into the writing style, hit the right notes, etc. That's not the case here. It's just growling.

Being able to proficiently growl isn't sufficient. An understanding of phrasing and the mastery of different screaming techniques and when to use them makes a huge difference. Have you heard Cattle Decapitation's latest album? Prime example of how an extreme metal vocalist can change everything.

In your opinion, bro.

To me, death metal vox don't really matter.

Personally, I respect this opinion, but find myself incapable of understanding it. 9 years might be a lot, and some of us might have even at one time felt this way. But a lot of us are 20-30 year listeners (I've been since age 11, so that makes nearly 23 years), and have allowed ourselves to become enamored enough with the different styles enough to hear them DISTINCTLY. And completely ignoring the Cattle Decap POINT that was made doesn't help the cause. But, like I said, the opinion is yours, and you're entitled to it...though I can't see where it benefits you to keep it, since it's profoundly negative.

Written by Tristus Scriptor on 12.09.2014 at 23:40
Personally, I respect this opinion, but find myself incapable of understanding it. 9 years might be a lot, and some of us might have even at one time felt this way. But a lot of us are 20-30 year listeners (I've been since age 11, so that makes nearly 23 years), and have allowed ourselves to become enamored enough with the different styles enough to hear them DISTINCTLY. And completely ignoring the Cattle Decap POINT that was made doesn't help the cause. But, like I said, the opinion is yours, and you're entitled to it...though I can't see where it benefits you to keep it, since it's profoundly negative.

It's his opinion but I also think it's a weakness. To suggest there's only a slight variation between all death metal growlers comes across as either ignorance, stubbornness, or inability to differentiate. Personally I think it's the latter.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.09.2014 at 00:56

Written by Tristus Scriptor on 12.09.2014 at 23:40
Personally, I respect this opinion, but find myself incapable of understanding it. 9 years might be a lot, and some of us might have even at one time felt this way. But a lot of us are 20-30 year listeners (I've been since age 11, so that makes nearly 23 years), and have allowed ourselves to become enamored enough with the different styles enough to hear them DISTINCTLY. And completely ignoring the Cattle Decap POINT that was made doesn't help the cause. But, like I said, the opinion is yours, and you're entitled to it...though I can't see where it benefits you to keep it, since it's profoundly negative.

It's his opinion but I also think it's a weakness. To suggest there's only a slight variation between all death metal growlers comes across as either ignorance, stubbornness, or inability to differentiate. Personally I think it's the latter.

Hi Troy, how ya doing?

I am personally LOVING the reaction from peeps on this. I am the site villain, don't forget, brah.

I am a very happy music listener and in no way do I consider this a weakness. Neither is it ignorance, stubbornness or inability to differentiate. I can hear the differences, it just isn't enough to make me curious about the new Bloodbath vocalist. Are you seriously anticipating it? Have you ever found yourself listening to a death metal band simply because the vocals are so damn good? There is just no passion in death metal vox in my opinion. I am a vocalist of all styles, death metal included, but death metal vox require almost no effort to pull off. And I am audacious enough to say I can growl very proficiently and I am happy to demonstrate anytime. But, I have never worked on improving death metal vox, like I have vehemently done with screaming styles, singing styles, etc. I have growled the same since day one and it sounds "professional".

I guess that the fact that I am a vocalist, have been a vocal coach before, AND have actually listened to many death metal bands for the vocals goes in the "irrelevant" basket, as well. And I sing, growl, and scream...all of them learned through trial, error, and eventual training (I've had throat surgery, a drastic change in ability, and learned a lot from it all), and will not agree with the "require almost no effort to pull off" statement, since I couldn't even talk at one time in my life. Learning techniques for longevity, emoting atonally, and shifting of pitch (among many other things) without damaging and/or losing it again requires tremendous effort when taken as a serious artist's point of view. This definitely applies to touring vocalists in a big way, too. As for me, I am not speaking of my efforts as a vanity exemplification, but to show my validity within the subject. Also, I don't expect a self-proclaimed "site-villain" to change their tune from my examples...so I'm saying this for my own purging and my passion for the subject. Besides, you form your sentences in factual ways while knowingly showing great bias simultaneously. You re asking for numerous conflicting replies with that. (I'm sure you are enjoying the hell out of it.) However, what Troy and I am saying (at least I assume he means, as well) is that we are getting enjoyment and something on a plus-note, while you are gaining nothing but arguments. And if you value that, then, sure. You win. It's all overrated hoopla and primal noise-making. (But, apparently only to you...and old people.)

I´d love to see Dan Swanö on vocals...

Written by qnick90 on 13.09.2014 at 12:18

I´d love to see Dan Swanö on vocals...

Might as well just have Akerfeldt then, they sound practically identical

Written by Tristus Scriptor on 13.09.2014 at 09:37

I guess that the fact that I am a vocalist, have been a vocal coach before, AND have actually listened to many death metal bands for the vocals goes in the "irrelevant" basket, as well. And I sing, growl, and scream...all of them learned through trial, error, and eventual training (I've had throat surgery, a drastic change in ability, and learned a lot from it all), and will not agree with the "require almost no effort to pull off" statement, since I couldn't even talk at one time in my life. Learning techniques for longevity, emoting atonally, and shifting of pitch (among many other things) without damaging and/or losing it again requires tremendous effort when taken as a serious artist's point of view. This definitely applies to touring vocalists in a big way, too. As for me, I am not speaking of my efforts as a vanity exemplification, but to show my validity within the subject. Also, I don't expect a self-proclaimed "site-villain" to change their tune from my examples...so I'm saying this for my own purging and my passion for the subject. Besides, you form your sentences in factual ways while knowingly showing great bias simultaneously. You re asking for numerous conflicting replies with that. (I'm sure you are enjoying the hell out of it.) However, what Troy and I am saying (at least I assume he means, as well) is that we are getting enjoyment and something on a plus-note, while you are gaining nothing but arguments. And if you value that, then, sure. You win. It's all overrated hoopla and primal noise-making. (But, apparently only to you...and old people.)

No, that's cool, bro. I have no quarrel with you or anybody here. You don't have to patronize, belittle and insult. Insulting me by comparison to old people. That was great.

Seriously though, if you actually listen to death metal bands for the vox, then that is cool. I never have. But, it is the ONLY genre of music that I have never done that with. I find myself doing that a lot because I am a vocalist and identify most with vocals. If you've injured yourself performing death vox, my heart goes out to you, because that truly sucks ass. I never meant to attenuate such unfortunate injuries. In my experience, I have always had an easy time performing death vox. They require the least amount of effort for me, but that clearly isn't the case for everybody. Sorry if I pissed you off, bro.

The thing is vocals are music. They have a sound and style all their own. This is even more true with death metal as the lyrics are usually indecipherable so they essentially just become a sound. To me that sound is pretty important in establishing the identity of the band.

Well, I said "AND old people"...and apparently my dry humor in ending it that way was covered by the confession of my seriousness on the subject earlier. And yes, I injured my voice using it; but it was due to a vagus-nerve disorder from an auto accident years prior. Long story. My point is, there's intricacy you have been ignoring. And actually, I didn't take my comments as patronizing, belittling, or insulting...at least in context of how humorous you were taking everyone's sincerity. Thought you'd feel I was speaking your language. I stand by the fact that I respect alternate opinions, but my chiming in on this does make one point - it's more than the little write-off you started it as. I'm living proof, and I'm not the only one. (Also, I'm not pissed...well...I wasn't...much. And I'm sorry to be a melodramatic ass. But as you now know, there's at least some reason.) And to lock back in right on subject - I am anticipating who the new Bloodbath vocalist is with extreme elation.

Written by Guest on 13.09.2014 at 13:07

Written by qnick90 on 13.09.2014 at 12:18

I´d love to see Dan Swanö on vocals...

Might as well just have Akerfeldt then, they sound practically identical

Their technique is completely different, besides Akerfeldt lost his death vocals around 2009\2010 (now his growl sounds like cookie monter´s arse), so Swanö, would be good choice.

Written by qnick90 on 15.09.2014 at 16:50

Their technique is completely different, besides Akerfeldt lost his death vocals around 2009\2010 (now his growl sounds like cookie monter´s arse), so Swanö, would be good choice.

They sound pretty similar to me. I also saw Opeth play a couple of months ago and Akerfeldt sounded the same as he always has.

In terms of "losing" their voice Swano would be a terrible choice because he can't do growls live, so Bloodbath would never be able to play on stage with him.

New vocalist is.... Nick Holmes. WHAAAAAAT ?? Was not expecting that, does he still even know how to growl ? Totally thought it would be Jorgen Sandstrom or something....

Was certainly not expecting that. Still though, if he can deliver something akin to Lost Paradise then I'm happy.

Written by Guest on 16.09.2014 at 13:44

Was certainly not expecting that. Still though, if he can deliver something akin to Lost Paradise then I'm happy.

He hasn't come near that in over ten years. Live he's been totally atroicious with his extreme vocals. MOst of the times he even doesn't employ them when performing old songs.
Bloodbath will become a purely studio group now, I presume, because there Holmes crap extreme vocals can be tampered with.

Imo an extremely bad choice by Bloodbath getting Holmes in.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 16.09.2014 at 14:49

Written by Guest on 16.09.2014 at 13:44

Was certainly not expecting that. Still though, if he can deliver something akin to Lost Paradise then I'm happy.

He hasn't come near that in over ten years. Live he's been totally atroicious with his extreme vocals. MOst of the times he even doesn't employ them when performing old songs.
Bloodbath will become a purely studio group now, I presume, because there Holmes crap extreme vocals can be tampered with.

Imo an extremely bad choice by Bloodbath getting Holmes in.

agreed