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RockeRoy

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From: Norway

  16.01.2008 at 19:11
After seeing the part about "Pmrc" and censorship in The headbangers journey documentary about metal i searched on youtube for debates and documentarys about rock and metal censorship, and i found many interesting debates and interviews with Frank Zappa about censorship. i would recommend everyone to see the debate on crossfire with Frank Zappa who is against all censorship and a guy that belive that rock music is the reason for aids!(Just search "frank zappa on crossfire" on youtube)
And i am interested in you views on this topic and also on the Crossfire with Frank Zappa debate!
Personaly i agree with everything Mr.Zappa is saying, and is ofcourse for Freedom of speach and against Censorship!
I would be especially interested to hear the opinions from someone who is for censorship!
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Existenzangst
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  16.01.2008 at 19:16
hell, that first guy talking is utterly fucked up in the head, all i've gotta say is: if you don't fight the system, you are the system.

edit: love how he mentions the bible! haha, if you ban zappa, you've gotta ban the fucking bible! muaha
selken
Irreligious

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Age: 28
From: El Salvador

  27.01.2008 at 02:30
Censorship is crap, I HATE CENSORSHIT, it's against freedom of speech!!!
Banning should be banned xD
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  26.02.2008 at 16:15
wow really nice clip haha nice job zappa
Doc Godin
Obnoxious

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Age: 25
From: Canada

  08.03.2008 at 22:35
Written by Guest on 16.01.2008 at 19:16

all i've gotta say is: if you don't fight the system, you are the system.

You don't get ahead, by giving head to the man.

My opinion has probably been said many times, it all comes down to a persons upbringing, if everyone raised there kids right, censorship would be unnecessary, I feel I was raised to the best of my parents ability, and I (and probably most of us here) listen to possibly some of the worst music imaginable (lyric wise that is), and I'm not insane or anything (I think?). And half the controversial things that Tipper Gore was after was just swearing...there only words.
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jupitreas
Djerk

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From: Poland

  10.03.2008 at 00:26
There is nevertheless a difference between banning something completely and merely putting a warning sticker on it...
Sure, K-Mart etc. might then refuse to distribute it but at least it still gets released and in today's world of Internet shopping, the involvement of big store chains is no longer really necessary (on the contrary, fans of metal, rap etc. might be boycotting them anyway).

Personally, I dont really support the whole idea of stickers either; however, they are not the same as censorship.
Doc Godin
Obnoxious

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Age: 25
From: Canada

  10.03.2008 at 01:59
Written by jupitreas on 10.03.2008 at 00:26

There is nevertheless a difference between banning something completely and merely putting a warning sticker on it...
Sure, K-Mart etc. might then refuse to distribute it but at least it still gets released and in today's world of Internet shopping, the involvement of big store chains is no longer really necessary (on the contrary, fans of metal, rap etc. might be boycotting them anyway).

Personally, I dont really support the whole idea of stickers either; however, they are not the same as censorship.

And I dont think anyone even pays attention to the stickers anymore, back when I was younger buying a CD with those stickers was like trying to buy a gun at that age, it was almost impossible. But now my 8 year old cousin buys those terrible hippidy-hop records with the warning label on them all the time, everyones kind of stopped paying attention.
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Insects Of Death
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  17.09.2008 at 23:10
the whole concept of censorship is a fucking joke!
who are you to determine what can be said i dont think someone should block or CENSOR your thoughts and words
LeChron James
Helvetesfossen

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Age: 26
From: USA

  18.09.2008 at 18:49
along with censoring lyrics, i think its really bad when bands like Nattefrost have to censor their bands shirts on ebay. even if the content is fairly graphic LOL.
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Doc Godin
Obnoxious

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Age: 25
From: Canada

  18.09.2008 at 22:42
Written by Guest on 18.09.2008 at 10:49

Written by Doc Godin on 10.03.2008 at 01:59

Written by jupitreas on 10.03.2008 at 00:26

There is nevertheless a difference between banning something completely and merely putting a warning sticker on it...
Sure, K-Mart etc. might then refuse to distribute it but at least it still gets released and in today's world of Internet shopping, the involvement of big store chains is no longer really necessary (on the contrary, fans of metal, rap etc. might be boycotting them anyway).

Personally, I dont really support the whole idea of stickers either; however, they are not the same as censorship.

And I dont think anyone even pays attention to the stickers anymore, back when I was younger buying a CD with those stickers was like trying to buy a gun at that age, it was almost impossible. But now my 8 year old cousin buys those terrible hippidy-hop records with the warning label on them all the time, everyones kind of stopped paying attention.


I'm really glad they have those stickers. They act as a guard against any stupid arguments concerned parents might have in favor of censorship. Thanks to those stickers people can't say they weren't warned of the explicit content of an album and are forced to only blame themselves for not paying attention.

But then if kids can still buy the albums, not paying attention is the problem, huh? Well, I can't feel sorry for a record store employee who got fired because he/she neglected to check a kid's age before selling an album with inappropriate lyrics.

I think, concerning censorship, things have been handled fairly well.

Hm, I definitely see where your coming from. At the same time I dont think its just the store clerks who ignore it, I really know any parents who really give a damn about those stickers anymore, at least until they hear the music.
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Judas
Resident Quack

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Age: 26
From: Australia

  19.09.2008 at 06:40
Don't they actually have "clean" versions of some albums?

Anyway, I reckon if it's explicit, you have to warn people, but actual censorship is bullshit. It's your own fault if you let your kid buy a Cannibal Corpse album at the age of 8. You deserve to have a fuck-up for a kid.
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Hrothdane

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Age: 26
From: USA

  19.09.2008 at 07:51
Parents are the censors for their children. If their child gets a hold of something they deem inappropriate, it is the parents' own damn fault.

Another complaint I hear from censorship proponents is that certain media is too obscene and tasteless. I personally feel that if something is truly obscene without any sort of merit, then chances are nobody (or very few people) like it anyways and the market will eliminate it as soon as the initial shock value dissipates.
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Agitatore
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  25.09.2008 at 18:46
About the issue, explicit contents are surprisingly the best weapon to keep extreme bands at bay here in my place. Very simple reason: the lyrics are not appropriate for the youngsters (in general, not particularly for metal listeners), so they say, and here we go... nowhere.
Luciferion

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Age: 29
From: Canada

  28.11.2008 at 00:53
Written by Doc Godin on 08.03.2008 at 22:35

Written by Guest on 16.01.2008 at 19:16

all i've gotta say is: if you don't fight the system, you are the system.

You don't get ahead, by giving head to the man.

My opinion has probably been said many times, it all comes down to a persons upbringing, if everyone raised there kids right, censorship would be unnecessary, I feel I was raised to the best of my parents ability, and I (and probably most of us here) listen to possibly some of the worst music imaginable (lyric wise that is), and I'm not insane or anything (I think?). And half the controversial things that Tipper Gore was after was just swearing...there only words.


But words can hurt heh. Joking bro i can't stand censorship, though i agree the stickers we're once a good measure to help reduce what was being shown to kids. But i think they've taken it too far nowadays, we're certain retailers are banning artists/albums for lyrics and not selling them.

The thing that pisses me off the most though is teh shit they pull on the radio. I know everyone has probably heard a song were they try to edit out language for radio plays, but srsly you'd have to be completely naive to not guess what really went where, if you know what i mean. And by censoring the music for radio is hypocritical since aren't they promoting teh band by palying it, yet they're trying to protect the listener's against the product their promoting. Makes no sense to me. It's like advertising a kitchen knife set, but everytime they are gonna show youa knife they edit it out to show a flower instead, yet they are still promoting the knife set in hopes that you keep tuned and maybe purcahse the product. (yes its a bad comparison... its 4pm im finishing a day of work and my brain is dead.)
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LeChron James
Helvetesfossen

Posts: 3473

Age: 26
From: USA

  20.12.2008 at 00:07
Censorship in rock and metal sucks. thats how you can tell if a band has gotten screwed by their label, they release wal mart friendly versions. its even worse when it happens in rap music...now thats just sad.
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whatsacow

Posts: 2021

Age: 22
From: Australia

  17.02.2010 at 00:24
The things we censor i.e. Sex and profanity, are only really bad because christianity says it is. If it wasn't for those stupid little supposed do-gooders, things would be fine. Well, christians and catholics. Catholics are just people who pretend to be christians. cockheads.
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Xnoybis
Duke Nukem

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Age: 42
From: Paraguay

  17.02.2010 at 02:52
Written by whatsacow on 17.02.2010 at 00:24

The things we censor i.e. Sex and profanity, are only really bad because christianity says it is. If it wasn't for those stupid little supposed do-gooders, things would be fine. Well, christians and catholics. Catholics are just people who pretend to be christians. cockheads.


hi! i grew up Catholic. i am pretty sure they are Christian... and there is more to sex and profanity than simply religion (Christianity in particular).

but Christianity remains a nice, safe target.
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Ellrohir
Heaven Knight

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Age: 26
From: Czech Republic

  17.02.2010 at 13:11
Poor Christians...noone likes them...but cheers - your god does
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whatsacow

Posts: 2021

Age: 22
From: Australia

  18.02.2010 at 00:12
Written by Xnoybis on 17.02.2010 at 02:52

Written by whatsacow on 17.02.2010 at 00:24

The things we censor i.e. Sex and profanity, are only really bad because christianity says it is. If it wasn't for those stupid little supposed do-gooders, things would be fine. Well, christians and catholics. Catholics are just people who pretend to be christians. cockheads.


hi! i grew up Catholic. i am pretty sure they are Christian... and there is more to sex and profanity than simply religion (Christianity in particular).

but Christianity remains a nice, safe target.


Damn straight. But I'm not talking about modern catholicism causing censorship, i'm talking about the catholicism in the dark ages and how what they censored has come down to today.
the majority of Catholics nowadays don't really even follow the bible. thats what i was implying.
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Xnoybis
Duke Nukem

Posts: 12509

Age: 42
From: Paraguay

  18.02.2010 at 00:20
Written by whatsacow on 18.02.2010 at 00:12

Damn straight. But I'm not talking about modern catholicism causing censorship, i'm talking about the catholicism in the dark ages and how what they censored has come down to today.
the majority of Catholics nowadays don't really even follow the bible. thats what i was implying.


Political Correctness is a far greater danger to free speech now than Catholicism/Christianity... and it is a far more insidious form of mind control.
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whatsacow

Posts: 2021

Age: 22
From: Australia

  18.02.2010 at 00:29
Yeah. I was just making a statement, but i agree. Political corectness is retarded and gay lol.
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Kei

Posts: 31

Age: 32
From: Mexico

  19.02.2010 at 21:25
I'm gsy, so I don't personally enjoy when my orientation is used to slur things like being politically correct and Catholic. In fact, I motion that when something is stupid or offensive, we use -those- as slurs instead.

I understand censorship from a purely marketing standpoint. If I'm a company trying to sell x or y album, and the fact that it has swear words or explicit content makes it so that I cannot sell it to a particular market or in a particular place, I might opt to censor it so that I can still take the so called "do gooders" money. At least, their children¿s allowance.

From a moral standpoint I think it is disgusting and I am constantly baffled by the entire process. Being from the United States, I've always been taught that Americans are supposed to be grateful for their freedoms, that we escaped horrible religious persecution, that we're ahead of most of the world in terms of civil liberties...and yet, we're the ones with prejudice in every form, with the patriot act, and with some of the worst negations of civil liberty perpetrated by our government and the very religions who came here to escape prejudice.

The catholics in Mexico would spit on you if you called them Christians, they disagree that the words are synonymous. Also, Catholicism remains insidious in places where it still has a modicum of power. It recently threatened to excommunicate Mexico in its entirety if the government legalized abortion.
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