Written by Guest on 14.06.2010 at 20:54

Bah, stupid rubbish production really gets in the way of an otherwise exceptional album. I hope they see their way to re-mastering this one day (like that'd ever happen).

Written by X-Ray Rod on 14.06.2010 at 22:58

Written by Guest on 14.06.2010 at 20:54

Bah, stupid rubbish production really gets in the way of an otherwise exceptional album. I hope they see their way to re-mastering this one day (like that'd ever happen).

What was wrong with the production? I didn't notice nothing good or bad about it

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 00:05

I disagree with the production naysayers. I find the muddy production way more fitting than the louder and way too clean sounding Words... and Choronzon.

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 00:14

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 00:05

I disagree with the production naysayers. I find the muddy production way more fitting than the louder and way too clean sounding Words... and Choronzon.

Not with music that intricate, technical and diverse, it's just a waste. They aren't a black metal band after all.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 00:44

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 00:14

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 00:05

I disagree with the production naysayers. I find the muddy production way more fitting than the louder and way too clean sounding Words... and Choronzon.

Not with music that intricate, technical and diverse, it's just a waste. They aren't a black metal band after all.

I lvoe my death metal murky grainy and muddy as well even when it is intricate, technical and diverse, it adds bite whereas a clean production takes away from that.

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 12:37

You should check them out when they were Salem Orchid. 'Sempiternal Suffering' is an awesome progressive yet primitive death metal song.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 12:45

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 12:37

You should check them out when they were Salem Orchid. 'Sempiternal Suffering' is an awesome progressive yet primitive death metal song.

I will. I want my death metal to be old school. Not the dime a dozen overproduced soulless brutal as can be variety for teenagers which is rampant nowadays. My death metal needs character, balls, groove.

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 12:48

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 12:45

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 12:37

You should check them out when they were Salem Orchid. 'Sempiternal Suffering' is an awesome progressive yet primitive death metal song.

I will. I want my deat
h metal to be old school. Not the dime a dozen overproduced soulless brutal as can be variety for teenagers which is rampant nowadays. My death metal needs character, balls, groove.

I agree with that, most death metal is pants these days but the 'cocke still sound better on the prior two albums for me =P

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 12:51

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 12:48

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.06.2010 at 12:45

Written by Guest on 15.06.2010 at 12:37

You should check them out when they were Salem Orchid. 'Sempiternal Suffering' is an awesome progressive yet primitive death metal song.

I will. I want my deat
h metal to be old school. Not the dime a dozen overproduced soulless brutal as can be variety for teenagers which is rampant nowadays. My death metal needs character, balls, groove.

I agree with that, most death metal is pants these days but the 'cocke still sound better on the prior two albums for me =P

don't get me wrong but I actually love all Akercocke albums. Them over Mithras any time of the day.

Written by Guest on 25.11.2012 at 20:02

This band is my new discovery in metal ! Whoa ! breathtaking album !

Written by Guest on 25.11.2012 at 20:31

Written by Guest on 25.11.2012 at 20:02

This band is my new discovery in metal ! Whoa ! breathtaking album !

Lucky you! You'll probably end up loving them for life. All their releases are great.

Written by Guest on 25.11.2012 at 21:34

and they did a cover of Leprosy by Death,oh my ! Leprosy has always been my fav by Death

Written by Guest on 14.06.2010 at 23:42

Written by X-Ray Rod on 14.06.2010 at 22:58

Written by Guest on 14.06.2010 at 20:54

Bah, stupid rubbish production really gets in the way of an otherwise exceptional album. I hope they see their way to re-mastering this one day (like that'd ever happen).

What was wrong with the production? I didn't notice nothing good or bad about it

Try listening to Antichrist right through then Words... or Choronzon straight after and you'll see. Antichrist has a very muddy production; the drums and guitars are nowhere need as audible and clear as the previous albums. I'm not usually a stickler for production but because the musicianship is so good (and also because their sound is naturally bassy) it's best listened to with clear production imo. Maybe they were going for an old-school ritualistic sound but I prefered it before.

Written by Lustful Maid on 02.01.2014 at 11:43


Jool definitely made a huge mistake here !! There's nothing wrong with the production on this album, In fact it's terribly good !
- Every album produced in different studios, sound engineering vary in term of the frequency, mastering and mixing, but not affecting the quality. I personally don't have problem with any album produced after year 2000. Remastering is only for those releases before year 2000.
- You thought the sound quality was poor may be due to listening with low quality home and car audio system, ipod or integrated (mini) hifi. Those lousy systems can not analyse the extreme frequency of Metal music.
- In another words, you desperately need to upgrade your audio system ! :-)

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Written by Guest on 02.01.2014 at 12:13

Written by Lustful Maid on 02.01.2014 at 11:43


Jool definitely made a huge mistake here !! There's nothing wrong with the production on this album, In fact it's terribly good !
- Every album produced in different studios, sound engineering vary in term of the frequency, mastering and mixing, but not affecting the quality. I personally don't have problem with any album produced after year 2000. Remastering is only for those releases before year 2000.
- You thought the sound quality was poor may be due to listening with low quality home and car audio system, ipod or integrated (mini) hifi. Those lousy systems can not analyse the extreme frequency of Metal music.
- In another words, you desperately need to upgrade your audio system ! :-)

Nope, I've listened to a number of different versions of this album on many different kinds of sound and system set up, and my conclusion is always the same: it's poorly mixed. Nothing to do with equipment. Of course production is down to personal preference, but to me the two albums before this are far better balanced and suited for Akercocke's sound. It just doesn't sound good on this one.

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This strikes me as where the problem lies. Going by this you don't seem to be able to distinguish between good and bad album mixes, or perhaps you just don't care. Fact is that albums made after 2000 are very often poorly produced because of brickwalling, poor dynamic range etc. or simply have any organic nature of them sucked it because of overpolishing. I'd find it very odd if someone had no issues with any metal record made in the past 13 years in terms of production. I'd have to say you don't really understand what makes an album sound good, instead just accepting that just because something is new it must sound perfect because of technology etc. Not the case. 90s production is often vastly superior.

Have a read of this. Doesn't apply to this album, but it does apply to thousands of metal records made after 2000.

Written by Lustful Maid on 02.01.2014 at 12:32

Do not read all those bullshit articles on the websites !
- First of all, I personally trusted most of the sound engineers, they're trained and did things with their own professional point of view.
- Do not believe in people saying vinyl is good and warm kind of rubbish, they just want to make extra money from you ! Vinyl doesn't have the capacity to withstand the extreme high and low frequencies of metal music, CD does ! They're just good for Dolly Parton and Billie Holidays...
- 90's releases are all Stereo or Analog, directly recorded from the Tape. How could they be good I though only old man like sticking to the "nostalgia" feels...
- Loudness War is in the eye of beholder, some Rush fans and Metallica fans deemed their idols should not go that far...or extreme, therefore they made a lot of noise...to me I am ok with that.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 02.01.2014 at 14:31

I'm fine with the sound of this album but I guess it has something to do with the fact that it was the second Akercocke album I heard (the first one being The Goat Of Mendes). It's definitely muddy though but I enjoy that sound when the riffs get so agressive like in Summon The Antichrist but in more intriguing songs like Axion, yeah... I can see why a better mix could have helped.

Written by Guest on 02.01.2014 at 14:35
I'd be happy (or happier at least) if this album sounded like the first two. They're raw but punchy. I still to this day feel like this album is being played under water or something. I'm not saying this one should sound like the previous two like I used to, but a little tweaking wouldn't go amiss.

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I'd be happy (or happier at least) if this album sounded like the first two. They're raw but punchy. I still to this day feel like this album is being played under water or something. I'm not saying this one should sound like the previous two like I used to, but a little tweaking wouldn't go amiss.

Written by Lustful Maid on 06.01.2014 at 08:49

I'd be happy (or happier at least) if you could upgrade your audio system first before writing any "helpful" comments.