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Angelic Storm
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  19.08.2010 at 23:47
Written by vezzy on 19.08.2010 at 23:40

Nah, false metal is Manowar talk.
Also technically admitting to trolling can be in itself trolling if worded in a certain way, like "You making this trolling thing a full time job?; Still looking for a good salary." (though it's still admitting to trolling, so whatever)

Huh, last time I checked it was being open-minded. Oh well.


You had already admitted to trolling in another thread a while back, so I wasnt looking for an admission. lol As for the salary, very few of us can make a living from doing something we love.

Admitting to trolling is being open minded? Fair enough...
vezzy
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  19.08.2010 at 23:54
No, I meant the last sentence "If you can't take criticism don't dish it out."
Like, criticizing tr00ists is open-minded. Not that I am a tr00ist, of course.
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Angelic Storm
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  20.08.2010 at 00:05
Written by vezzy on 19.08.2010 at 23:54

No, I meant the last sentence "If you can't take criticism don't dish it out."
Like, criticizing tr00ists is open-minded. Not that I am a tr00ist, of course.


Meh, I've even seen elitists criticising "ultra kvlt tr00ists". lol

Being open-minded doesnt mean you have to tolerate every mindless, childish mindset. So if you're saying I cant be open-minded because I find trolling and tr00ist attitudes ridiculous, then you're completely deluded about what "open-minded" actually means. I dont think personally attacking someone because they dont share a musical opinion is acceptable at all. Does that make me closed-minded? I think not.
vezzy
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  20.08.2010 at 00:20
No, it's mostly the whole "argh I hate this album and this is why *says why in a harsh manner*" and the sudden retaliation on how it isn't so. Sure, there is opinion to some degree, but there's a line to cross somewhere. You can't say which is more technical, heavy or original based on opinion. If the particular thing has been done hundreds of times, it's ridiculous to assume it's fresh because of a little gimmick inserted in.

When people go "Тhis album is so original/the best at its time/heavier than
  • , etc."... well, someone has to respond. If it evolves into a fight, keep on until it gets too ugly or if your point has been proven already.

    It may sound like it's some inferior taste thing comparable to eugenics or whatever, but like I said...
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    Angelic Storm
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      20.08.2010 at 00:47
    Written by vezzy on 20.08.2010 at 00:20

    No, it's mostly the whole "argh I hate this album and this is why *says why in a harsh manner*" and the sudden retaliation on how it isn't so. Sure, there is opinion to some degree, but there's a line to cross somewhere. You can't say which is more technical, heavy or original based on opinion. If the particular thing has been done hundreds of times, it's ridiculous to assume it's fresh because of a little gimmick inserted in.


    Actually, yes you can. What constitutes "heavy", "technical", or "original" and what doesn't, is at least to a degree anyways, subjective. Sometimes when a person personally likes/dislikes a certain band/album, they can allow their biases to cloud their judgement. Like I have seen some say just being "br00tal" is not heavy. Yet others say that it is. In this day and age anyway, there is very little music that is truly original. Because its a lot harder to be original in metal nowadays, because just about everything has been done before.

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    When people go "Òhis album is so original/the best at its time/heavier than
  • , etc."... well, someone has to respond. If it evolves into a fight, keep on until it gets too ugly or if your point has been proven already.


  • My point is, it shouldnt evolve into a fight. If I get into a musical debate with someone, I always state my opinion. And state that I disagree if I do. But it never goes any further than that. I have had a few disagreements with people on here, about certain albums and stuff, and it's never descended into a fight. Its all about respecting other's opinions even if they dont match your own.

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    It may sound like it's some inferior taste thing comparable to eugenics or whatever, but like I said...


    The farthest that I would ever go with someone, is state that I dont share their opinions myself. I would never label another person's tastes as "inferior". No matter how rubbish I think the music they like is. lol
    vezzy
    Stallmanite

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      20.08.2010 at 00:58
    Actually, technical... well, I'm not gonna go on to describe that, but it's kind of hard to see how it isn't objective. Like compare, Neurom-okay fine, compare Atheist to Slayer. Original, well, like I said, if it's very familiar and bland... not high on that ladder. Personally, I don't think brutality or if you insist br00tality (when it comes to garage BDM losers) is very heavy by itself, but it definitely is if compared to a generic riff soaked and faded in keyboard melody (yes, I did just reference Scar Symmetry, get over it). I agree on it being hard to be original nowadays though, the field is getting ever closer to being completely harvested. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be honest about it.

    Well, from what I've argued (and yes, trolled in way or another, but not blatant stupid trolling, more like hostile snide), it always degenerates (huh, did I say evolve?) into fights. I think it's actually kind of natural. People don't like to see their favorite bands attacked (or in others' eyes exposing them for what they are), so they respond in a rage-like manner. Although, I guess the respect thing I, in particular haven't been doing very well. Either way, I really think respect is far-fetched. I just vehemently state and defend. Inevitably arguments will happen.

    Though in some cases, like that Scar Symmetry argument, it was started for that sole reason, to argue. And we all had fun, so who cares?

    I haven't gone as far as label tastes as inferior (have I?), but at times I get cynical about the favorite bands and the certain position [anti-tr00ist or whatever at all] the person tries to hold.
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    Angelic Storm
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      20.08.2010 at 01:31
    Written by vezzy on 20.08.2010 at 00:58
    Actually, technical... well, I'm not gonna go on to describe that, but it's kind of hard to see how it isn't objective. Like compare, Neurom-okay fine, compare Atheist to Slayer. Original, well, like I said, if it's very familiar and bland... not high on that ladder. Personally, I don't think brutality or if you insist br00tality (when it comes to garage BDM losers) is very heavy by itself, but it definitely is if compared to a generic riff soaked and faded in keyboard melody (yes, I did just reference Scar Symmetry, get over it). I agree on it being hard to be original nowadays though, the field is getting ever closer to being completely harvested. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be honest about it.


    I never said it couldn't be objective. Just that it CAN be, and often is, subjective. Athiest are of course, much more technical than Slayer. I dont think there is a single person that would try and argue otherwise. Well, Waking The Cadaver are more brutal than Scar Symmetry, but that doesnt make them "better". At least not to my ears anyways. "heavier" doesn't equate to "better". As for SC being "generic", that is purely an opinion, and I'd hardly allow it to affect my fondness for the band. lol Originality is increasingly harder to find in metal than it's ever been before. I see originality as a bonus, rather than it being a deciding factor in whether I like a band or not.

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    Well, from what I've argued (and yes, trolled in way or another, but not blatant stupid trolling, more like hostile snide), it always degenerates (huh, did I say evolve?) into fights. I think it's actually kind of natural. People don't like to see their favorite bands attacked (or in others' eyes exposing them for what they are), so they respond in a rage-like manner. Although, I guess the respect thing I, in particular haven't been doing very well. Either way, I really think respect is far-fetched. I just vehemently state and defend. Inevitably arguments will happen.


    I dont think it's natural at all, at least not for me. If someone bashes a band I like, then that is their right, and I see that they merely have a different opinion to me, which is absolutely fine. Only fanboys/girls and some elitists respond in a rage like manner. As those people generally have major issues accepting views on metal/music that deviate from their own. Disagreeing is inevitable, but launching personal attacks. and flying off the handle is a different thing entirely. I dont think its far fetched at all that you can be respectful of other's musical tastes, even if you dont share them yourself.

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    Though in some cases, like that Scar Symmetry argument, it was started for that sole reason, to argue. And we all had fun, so who cares?


    Fun? That's not the word I'd have used to describe it.

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    I haven't gone as far as label tastes as inferior (have I?), but at times I get cynical about the favorite bands and the certain position [anti-tr00ist or whatever at all] the person tries to hold.


    I think you'll find that you have. The only time Im cynical about an "anti tr00ist" position, is when its coming from fanboys who cant accept that some people just genuinely dont like something their fave band has done. (thereby accusing all criticisers of being "tr00ist") But that is certainly not my stance. And like Ive said, even some elitists have expressed distaste at that mindset. I think most metal fans dislike tr00ists, aside from tr00ists themselves. lol


    I'd like to apologise for taking part in the derailing of this thread, and I think if this particular conversation is going to be continued, it should be done so elsewhere. xD
    Kennoth

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      21.08.2010 at 02:12
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    Orcinus

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      29.08.2010 at 11:23
    New pic uploaded... It's shit but ehh whatever, its one of the better pics i have of myself.
    Ragana
    Rawrcat

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      29.08.2010 at 13:58
    Looks like having braces is not as painful as it seemed before. Nice pic!
    Kennoth

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      18.09.2010 at 02:35
    I should wear them, but I don't.
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    Dane Train
    Beers & Kilts

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      24.09.2010 at 21:37
    Here are some pictures of my band, The Quick that were taken at a Battle of the Bands last weekend.






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    Ellrohir
    Heaven Knight

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      24.09.2010 at 21:40
    The skirt looks weird...
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      24.09.2010 at 22:12
    Looks cool Dane. Did you win?
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      24.09.2010 at 22:35
    Written by Ellrohir on 24.09.2010 at 21:40

    The skirt looks weird...


    That is not a skirt. It is a Utilikilt.

    Written by GT on 24.09.2010 at 22:12

    Looks cool Dane. Did you win?


    Sadly we didn't. While we were hands down the most original and tightest sounding band there, we were playing to a large number of Metalcore/Hardcore fans. The bands that did "do well" all sounded the same.
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    Kennoth

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      24.09.2010 at 22:37
    You remind me of Jonathan Davis, wearing kilt like that.
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      24.09.2010 at 22:38
    Nices pics dane, too bad about the closemindedness of your audience...

    Edit: and ever the DT fan, are you?
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      24.09.2010 at 22:40
    Too bad you had close minded people watching and voting.
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    Red Nightmare

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      25.09.2010 at 01:16
    Did you cut your hair, I think? I almost realised you were the singer only for the kilt and the cross
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      25.09.2010 at 04:23
    Written by Elio on 25.09.2010 at 01:16

    Did you cut your hair, I think? I almost realised you were the singer only for the kilt and the cross


    Yeah, I cut off all my hair a year ago.
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    Nomcat

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      25.09.2010 at 17:46
    Written by Dane Train on 24.09.2010 at 22:35

    Sadly we didn't. While we were hands down the most original and tightest sounding band there, we were playing to a large number of Metalcore/Hardcore fans. The bands that did "do well" all sounded the same.


    No surprise there, dude. Same shit happens here to non-core bands. :/ It's either you play (shitty) core, some stupid "hipster" bullshit, or blues-rock music or you're gonna have a hard time finding success.
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    Thorhalla

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      26.10.2010 at 10:30
    http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1362017025371&set=a.1330743563554.40468.1679949563&ref=fbx_album
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      05.12.2010 at 14:35
    Picture of me in hat looking fat.
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    Angelic Storm
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      05.12.2010 at 14:44
    Written by The Shape 1973 on 05.12.2010 at 14:35

    Picture of me in hat looking fat.


    Fat? Are you serious? :\ You dont look fat at all lol xD
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      05.12.2010 at 14:46
    Written by Angelic Storm on 05.12.2010 at 14:44

    Written by The Shape 1973 on 05.12.2010 at 14:35

    Picture of me in hat looking fat.


    Fat? Are you serious? :\ You dont look fat at all lol xD

    There is a bit of a double chin. When I haven't shaved I look a bit too much like Danny Baker.
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    Angelic Storm
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      05.12.2010 at 14:58
    Written by The Shape 1973 on 05.12.2010 at 14:46
    There is a bit of a double chin. When I haven't shaved I look a bit too much like Danny Baker.


    Double chin? Nah... lol

    Actually, you do remind me of someone, but I cant think of the name. But its not Danny Baker! you look nothing like him. hehe
    The Shape 1973

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      05.12.2010 at 15:05
    Written by Angelic Storm on 05.12.2010 at 14:58

    Written by The Shape 1973 on 05.12.2010 at 14:46
    There is a bit of a double chin. When I haven't shaved I look a bit too much like Danny Baker.


    Actually, you do remind me of someone, but I cant think of the name.

    Brad Pitt
    Johnny Depp
    John Merrick?
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    Angelic Storm
    Melodious

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      05.12.2010 at 16:15
    Written by The Shape 1973 on 05.12.2010 at 15:05
    Brad Pitt
    Johnny Depp
    John Merrick?


    No. John Merrick? As if... lol
    Bad English
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      05.12.2010 at 16:17
    I also uploadet ne wpic of me, long hair and beard its me
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    Angelic Storm
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      05.12.2010 at 17:39
    Written by Bad English on 05.12.2010 at 16:17

    I also uploadet ne wpic of me, long hair and beard its me


    Haha! That isnt you, its the rugby player Sebastien Chabal! Or is that your alias?

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