This album is more brutal than giving a poodle a sex change. Furthest From The Truth is my fav

I really like the lurching and discordant guitar parts. Excellent album, definitely an album you must have even if you are not really a fan of Immolation.

Very very close to perfection

^ Pffffffhahaha.

Immolation are not a band I'd call inconsistent, and this album is certainly not. This is one brutal death metal album.

I actually think this is one of the most consistent death metal albums out there, made by one of the most consistent death metal bands.

That's as backwards an opinion if I've ever seen one. Harnessing Ruin is definitely their worse, even considering how consistent the band is. It's totally average, even Kingdom of Conspiracy is better by miles. This album (and the ones before it) are easily Immolation's best and prime death metal albums.

The album is fantastic from start to finish... Specially the ending. What a finale.

Jesus. Christ. (irony intended). Why did I put off listening to this for so long. Although this hardly sounds like straight forward death metal now, does it?

Written by LeKiwi on 30.06.2014 at 13:57

Jesus. Christ. (irony intended). Why did I put off listening to this for so long. Although this hardly sounds like straight forward death metal now, does it?

How isn't this straight forward death metal?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.06.2014 at 14:27

How isn't this straight forward death metal?

Doesn't sound like typical death metal at all...sounds like a relaxed version of Ulcerate. Those riffs...they're so...sophisticated.

Listen (to everyone), I'm not trying to fuel another another genre argument...That's just what I'm hearing from this album.

Written by LeKiwi on 30.06.2014 at 14:45

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.06.2014 at 14:27

How isn't this straight forward death metal?

Doesn't sound like typical death metal at all...sounds like a relaxed version of Ulcerate. Those riffs...they're so...sophisticated.

Listen (to everyone), I'm not trying to fuel another another genre argument...That's just what I'm hearing from this album.

What Immolation plays is straight forward old school death metal. Slow and relaxed dm.
If you think this isn't straight forward dm you're probably extremely unfamiliar with the osdm sound.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.06.2014 at 14:55

What Immolation plays is straight forward old school death metal. Slow and relaxed dm.
If you think this isn't straight forward dm you're probably extremely unfamiliar with the osdm sound.

Well, I really liked this - can you recommend me any similar bands?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.06.2014 at 14:55

What Immolation plays is straight forward old school death metal. Slow and relaxed dm.
If you think this isn't straight forward dm you're probably extremely unfamiliar with the osdm sound.

I found this thread on OSDM and listened to all the bands you cited as classified under that style:

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.03.2011 at 16:36

Try out Dead Congregation, Grave Miasma (sounds a lot like Morbid Angel when you play their vinyl on 45rpm instead of 33rpm ), Cruciamentum, Miasmal, Stench Of Decay, Anatomia (very very Autopsy like) to name but a few

I also had a listen to some other OSDM bands like Entrails and old Entombed. There seems to be an conspicuous difference between this and OSDM.

I'll admit that after to listening to Dead Congregation's 2008 output, I heard some similarities, but then again, that doesn't sound like OSDM either

Written by LeKiwi on 01.07.2014 at 15:55

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.06.2014 at 14:55

What Immolation plays is straight forward old school death metal. Slow and relaxed dm.
If you think this isn't straight forward dm you're probably extremely unfamiliar with the osdm sound.

I found this thread on OSDM and listened to all the bands you cited as classified under that style:

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.03.2011 at 16:36

Try out Dead Congregation, Grave Miasma (sounds a lot like Morbid Angel when you play their vinyl on 45rpm instead of 33rpm ), Cruciamentum, Miasmal, Stench Of Decay, Anatomia (very very Autopsy like) to name but a few

I also had a listen to some other OSDM bands like Entrails and old Entombed. There seems to be an conspicuous difference between this and OSDM.

I'll admit that after to listening to Dead Congregation's 2008 output, I heard some similarities, but then again, that doesn't sound like OSDM either

There's a difference between US osdm and Swedish osdm and Finnish osdm.
Especially due to the fact that Swedish osdm primarily gets their guitar sound from the Boss HM2 pedal. Whereas that one isn't used by the US osdm bands.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 01.07.2014 at 15:59

There's a difference between US osdm and Swedish osdm and Finnish osdm.
Especially due to the fact that Swedish osdm primarily gets their guitar sound from the Boss HM2 pedal. Whereas that one isn't used by the US osdm bands.

I see...well could you share some US OSDM? Like I said, I love the sound and want some more

Incantation, though even slower.

Written by LeKiwi on 01.07.2014 at 16:00

I see...well could you share some US OSDM? Like I said, I love the sound and want some more

Check out Dark Descent Records and Invictus Productions bandcamps. Plenty of great OSDM on those. There's another great label for it too but I can't remember it at then moment.

Written by Guest on 01.07.2014 at 16:12

Written by LeKiwi on 01.07.2014 at 16:00

I see...well could you share some US OSDM? Like I said, I love the sound and want some more

Check out Dark Descent Records and Invictus Productions bandcamps. Plenty of great OSDM on those. There's another great label for it too but I can't remember it at then moment.

Nuclear War Now? Nuclear Winter? Iron Bonehead? Sepuchral Voice?

Memnto Mori si a good label as is Vic Records and both mostly for re-releases. Same goes for The Crypt/Dark Symphonies for re-releases.

So, I listened to a bunch of new OSDM and I still can't find anything labelled as that style which sounds remotely like this. This sounds closer to Ulcerate, Mitochondrion, etc.

I think due to the production this album especially stands out as more smothering than the typical Immolation album, which is also probably why it's typically regarded as one of their best - if not the best album in their discography. I personally don't think it has the same kind of catacomb-like atmosphere of a Mitochondrion per se, but I do agree that it isn't your typical old school death metal album.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 01.07.2014 at 16:22

Nuclear War Now? Nuclear Winter? Iron Bonehead? Sepuchral Voice?

Nuclear War Now was the one I was thinking of.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.07.2014 at 18:44

I personally don't think it has the same kind of catacomb-like atmosphere of a Mitochondrion per se, but I do agree that it isn't your typical old school death metal album.

Yeah, I should have been been clearer. I just meant that the guitar riffing style is very similar, despite that Mitochondrion can get a bit avant-garde with that sometimes.

Written by deadone on 22.03.2014 at 02:05

Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.03.2014 at 01:49

I actually think this is one of the most consistent death metal albums out there, made by one of the most consistent death metal bands.

My problem with Immolation is that the albums always start off well but then midway lose steam and either start repeating ideas or just go all generic. They also often disrupt the flow of a song with disjointed riff changes

Majesty and Decay is a great example of this. It starts off like it's going to be the greatest DM album of all time and then runs out of steam and goes all generic Immolation.

Harnessing Ruin is the only one where think they actually pulled it off fro start to finish.


The new one is meh.

The problem is Death Metal is always not easy to listen especially pure death (probably that's why Morbid Angel added thrash to Altar of Madness for the sales).

Immolation is a very lyric-orientated band, they're different from other bands, they usually write lyrics before melodies. If you don't pay attention to their lyrics you don't get the whole composition. That's why a lot of listeners found their albums very inconsistant, actually they missed the direction.

Just when I thought he couldn't get any stupider...

Written by Guest on 17.12.2014 at 20:57

Just when I thought he couldn't get any stupider...

I have no clue where he pulls that shit from. As far as I know, Immolation don't have some predetermined philosophy for coming up with lyrics before song-writing.

Written by Alex F on 18.12.2014 at 00:11

I have no clue where he pulls that shit from. As far as I know, Immolation don't have some predetermined philosophy for coming up with lyrics before song-writing.

From an interview with the band's founding member:

Quote:
"Does an Immolation song start with a riff, a signature bleeding lead, or a blasphemous lyric - or does it change from album to album or even song to song? Also, is the entire band involved in the writing process, or can that vary, too?

Usually I will write the music first -- come up with a basic arrangement. Then we work on it together until the arrangement is solid. After that is where the lyrics come in -- you get the feeling from the song and pretty much match it up with some concepts you may have. Each song has a particular feel that lends itself to a certain subject matter. It changes from time to time, though."

Written by Guest on 18.12.2014 at 00:14

From an interview with the band's founding member:

Ah so it's basically the exact opposite of what GodBuster said... good to know!

Written by Alex F on 18.12.2014 at 00:21

Ah so it's basically the exact opposite of what GodBuster said... good to know!

I more had a problem with this quote.

Quote:
The problem is Death Metal is always not easy to listen especially pure death (probably that's why Morbid Angel added thrash to Altar of Madness for the sales).