Written by Sephiros on 10.08.2010 at 22:42

Just another example of hateboys disliking someone because it's popular instead of listening to it from an unbiased ear. Listen to a song like "Save me" and tell me half the bands out there have that kind musicianship or writing ability, or any song on the album for that matter. Your responses to mine are weak and without any intelligent or logical backing. "They suck" = you're retarded and don't belong reviewing music.

Why is it so difficult to believe that someone can listen to the same music you do and not have the same opinion of it that you do? Avenged 7X are indeed talented musicians, but that doesn't change the fact that this album bores me to tears and there is a decidedly commercial aspect to their songwriting that is very off-putting to those of us who don't care for that type of approach to music.

You can love this band and album and consider it one of the best metal albums ever recorded. That's your opinion. Many of us don't share it. It's pretty ridiculous that you seem to feel justified in bashing people who don't share your taste and can't simply accept that what is a thing of beauty to your ears has the same appeal as a wet sock being slapped against the wall to someone else's ears.

I've listened to the album a few times. I don't like it. I find it very dull and decidedly commercial.

BitterCOld's evaluation of the album is about the same as mine. He's certainly entitled to share his real opinion in a staff review rather than giving props where he doesn't think they are deserved just to satisfy fans of an album he dislikes. The fact that you can't seem to accept that strikes me as rather juvenile.

Written by Derwood on 11.08.2010 at 05:33

Why is it so difficult to believe that someone can listen to the same music you do and not have the same opinion of it that you do? Avenged 7X are indeed talented musicians, but that doesn't change the fact that this album bores me to tears and there is a decidedly commercial aspect to their songwriting that is very off-putting to those of us who don't care for that type of approach to music.

You can love this band and album and consider it one of the best metal albums ever recorded. That's your opinion. Many of us don't share it. It's pretty ridiculous that you seem to feel justified in bashing people who don't share your taste and can't simply accept that what is a thing of beauty to your ears has the same appeal as a wet sock being slapped against the wall to someone else's ears.

I've listened to the album a few times. I don't like it. I find it very dull and decidedly commercial.

BitterCOld's evaluation of the album is about the same as mine. He's certainly entitled to share his real opinion in a staff review rather than giving props where he doesn't think they are deserved just to satisfy fans of an album he dislikes. The fact that you can't seem to accept that strikes me as rather juvenile.

THIS.

This should be the argument to every user who doesn't understand that other users have differing tastes (just replace Avenged Sevenfold with Band X and "commercial approach" to Reason Y).

What a refreshingly poignant response...

Written by Sephiros on 10.08.2010 at 22:42

Just another example of hateboys disliking someone because it's popular instead of listening to it from an unbiased ear. Listen to a song like "Save me" and tell me half the bands out there have that kind musicianship or writing ability, or any song on the album for that matter. Your responses to mine are weak and without any intelligent or logical backing. "They suck" = you're retarded and don't belong reviewing music.

i listened to the album. i wanted to like the album. i didn't.

as for being "cool", i'm 37, have been listening to metal music for 25 years now, have enough IRL friends that i feel blessed, and have met exactly ONE metalstormer in person in the six years i've been here. i'm not even remotely concerned with what is cool to like or dislike. i couldn't possibly care less. i don't write reviews to make friends or score cool points. i write reviews to honestly express my opinions on an album to help steer others who have noticed they share similar/dissimilar tendencies to my own. i'm not cool, not concerned with being cool or even being viewed as cool.

don't like my opinion, meh. if you think this album is so amazing that you must automatically castigate anyone who disagrees with you and disregard their comments without consideration - well, you are exactly the type of person whose tastes and opinions really do not matter one iota to me. the only reason i waste time responding is because there is some basic amusement on my part in slamming my head into the desk responding to cementheaded people such as yourself that absolutely fail to grasp the concept that other people might not like what you do because, to the exclusion of exterior influences, it simply fails to move them in the same way.

What is annoying in the case of well-known, mainstream metal bands like that, is the fanboys automatically say that those who don't like it or believe it sucks are saying this only because the band is popular. The fanboys fail to see that some people simply think the music sucks donkey balls. Simple as that.

Come out of your slumber. There are people who truely think Metallica, or Iron Maiden or *put any famous band's name here* quite simply sucks.

Funny review.. i hate this kind of fashion music.. his voice sucks, the chorus and song structures suck too

OMFG it's just a review! Get a grip, people! What do you care what he thinks? It's just an opinion, if you'll curse and threat him it won't do a thing so shut your faces! Still can't suck it up? Write your own review and stop whining!

P.S. I have nothing against A7X, but I do have alot against infantiles.

Written by Panterica on 14.08.2010 at 16:36


P.S. I have nothing against A7X, but I do have alot against infantiles.

Childish fanboyism is the bane of all metal boards.

Written by BitterCOld on 11.08.2010 at 12:11

Written by Sephiros on 10.08.2010 at 22:42

Just another example of hateboys disliking someone because it's popular instead of listening to it from an unbiased ear. Listen to a song like "Save me" and tell me half the bands out there have that kind musicianship or writing ability, or any song on the album for that matter. Your responses to mine are weak and without any intelligent or logical backing. "They suck" = you're retarded and don't belong reviewing music.

i listened to the album. i wanted to like the album. i didn't.

as for being "cool", i'm 37, have been listening to metal music for 25 years now, have enough IRL friends that i feel blessed, and have met exactly ONE metalstormer in person in the six years i've been here. i'm not even remotely concerned with what is cool to like or dislike. i couldn't possibly care less. i don't write reviews to make friends or score cool points. i write reviews to honestly express my opinions on an album to help steer others who have noticed they share similar/dissimilar tendencies to my own. i'm not cool, not concerned with being cool or even being viewed as cool.

don't like my opinion, meh. if you think this album is so amazing that you must automatically castigate anyone who disagrees with you and disregard their comments without consideration - well, you are exactly the type of person whose tastes and opinions really do not matter one iota to me. the only reason i waste time responding is because there is some basic amusement on my part in slamming my head into the desk responding to cementheaded people such as yourself that absolutely fail to grasp the concept that other people might not like what you do because, to the exclusion of exterior influences, it simply fails to move them in the same way.

There's a lot of music I don't enjoy or like. But I'm not ignorant enough to say it "sucks" or write lengthy reviews that bash it. You and anyone that tries to change the subject of my point that you're being disrespectful by saying "It's just my opinion" are missing the fact that you are not just giving an opinion you are bashing music and in the process blatantly insulting people who enjoy it. Bash less and simply give a review as to why you didn't like it. If you feel like you can't write a review and keep it entertaining AND respectful then maybe reviewing isn't for you. If you're goal is simply to offend peoople, especially during a time when a band member recently passed away by all means continue. Am I coming through? lol... Just get some tact and you'll be alright, understand, acknowledge, and accept your mistake and try to better yourself. Justifying ignorance is just...ignorant lol.

Written by Syn Gates on 02.08.2010 at 22:53

You're all fucking idiots if you agree with this piece of shit review. i'm a huge fan of the old A7X music, but this album is by far their best. the riffs they came up with were amazing, m shadows voice has been his strongest since waking the fallen. of course the drumming is awesome cuz it's mike portnoy. thought i think he could never replace Rev. overall fuck you BitterCold for writing this, you obviously don't like them so you figure you could write a review to rip on them cuz you have no soul to their talent.

Talent? Music is art, not sports. It's not about technical proficiency, it's about songwriting skills, and frankly, A7X have none. It's basically a really polished up form of already existent melodies and repackage them into something young a hip looking. Let me ask you this, if A7X were a bunch of fat, balding, old geeks who still made the exact same music, would you still have your mouth around their phallus'?

This is about as safe, and plastic as it gets. It sounds like music written by suits to make money, and it's working.

Then again, I don't expect someone with Trivium as their #1 favourite band to have any concept of originality or anything thats genuine.

Written by Merchant of Doom on 06.08.2010 at 12:26

S*it! Reviews of mainstream metal albums? Is Metal Storm going to change its name to Metal Porn?

No, Metal Porn is my site. It's a pet project.

Ohh so because i listen to Avenged sevenfold and think that their music is good and that i like trivium as my favorite band this means that i have no originality. trivium has better musicians than most bands anymore, a7x has one of the best guitarists in modern metal, just because their albums are un-original doesnt mean that you have to rip on them cuz their making more money then most bands could dream, if this is the road A7X wants to take then let them be, my opinion is that nightmare is amazing.

Written by Sephiros7 on 16.08.2010 at 01:30
Am I coming through? lol... Just get some tact and you'll be alright, understand, acknowledge, and accept your mistake and try to better yourself. Justifying ignorance is just...ignorant lol.

fuck tact.

the album sucks. it is probably the worst album i've listened to this year (haven't bothered to check out diminished yet, though) ... so why should i bother to beat around the bush and mince words? i'm pretty sure the band doesn't give a fuck about my opinion... and i don't give a fuck about theirs. sorry if being honest pissed in your wheaties but i found the album so poor that i couldn't possibly look at myself in the mirror if i tried to sugarcoat my review for you overly sensitive types.

my only "mistake" was in listening to the album in the first place.

Written by BitterCOld on 16.08.2010 at 04:53

Written by Sephiros7 on 16.08.2010 at 01:30
Am I coming through? lol... Just get some tact and you'll be alright, understand, acknowledge, and accept your mistake and try to better yourself. Justifying ignorance is just...ignorant lol.

fuck tact.

the album sucks. it is probably the worst album i've listened to this year (haven't bothered to check out diminished yet, though) ... so why should i bother to beat around the bush and mince words? i'm pretty sure the band doesn't give a fuck about my opinion... and i don't give a fuck about theirs. sorry if being honest pissed in your wheaties but i found the album so poor that i couldn't possibly look at myself in the mirror if i tried to sugarcoat my review for you overly sensitive types.

my only "mistake" was in listening to the album in the first place.

At least your maturity is consistent...I'm a fool for even engaging with you in the first place lol. Rock on brother.

I agree with your review. Although, I enjoyed Welcome To The Family and Nightmare.

You know what, A7x shouldn't be reviewed on this site, since everyone here is biased against all metalcore

Written by spiritofvengence on 04.09.2010 at 04:09

You know what, A7x shouldn't be reviewed on this site, since everyone here is biased against all metalcore

i guess that would entail you as well, making you guilty of what you scream and froth everyone else is guilty of. i mean everyone here would include you as well.

maybe, just maybe, i don't give a fuck one way or another about whether MC is cool. i actually kinda enjoyed A Life Once Lost when i saw them with HOF... i even wrote as much when i reviewed the show a couple years ago, so there goes that argument on your part.

i just didn't find the album remotely enjoyable. not sure why that is so difficult for some people to grasp.

but then again i'm responding to a useless troll who concerns himself far too much with the tastes of others. shouldn't you be whining about how much you hate DIO about now?

Written by BitterCOld on 04.09.2010 at 05:42

Written by spiritofvengence on 04.09.2010 at 04:09

You know what, A7x shouldn't be reviewed on this site, since everyone here is biased against all metalcore

i guess that would entail you as well, making you guilty of what you scream and froth everyone else is guilty of. i mean everyone here would include you as well.

maybe, just maybe, i don't give a fuck one way or another about whether MC is cool. i actually kinda enjoyed A Life Once Lost when i saw them with HOF... i even wrote as much when i reviewed the show a couple years ago, so there goes that argument on your part.

i just didn't find the album remotely enjoyable. not sure why that is so difficult for some people to grasp.

but then again i'm responding to a useless troll who concerns himself far too much with the tastes of others. shouldn't you be whining about how much you hate DIO about now?

Shut up dude, you're just an Iron Maiden fanboy! That's why you don't like A7X!

I like bands like Protest The Hero, The Agonist, and Dillinger Escape Plan, yet I still think A7X sucks. Also, I reviewed an EP of an up and coming MetalCore act not too long ago and was fairly positive about the whole thing:

http://www.metalstorm.net/pub/review.php?review_id=7940

What's metalcore exactly? I don't like avenged sevenfold so much by the way...

Written by Nyoink on 05.09.2010 at 22:30

What's metalcore exactly?

Crappy modern pseudo-metal bullshit for emo kids.
Supposed to mix elements of hardcore punk and metal.
Music plagued by breakdowns and extremely annoying vocals.

Hi! I am a big fan of AX7 but I do not blame BitterCOld for his review, as he has the right to dislike AX7 music. I also have to say that I am not convinced with this album. It is not the fact that it includes some poppy elements, which is typical for AX7 starting from COE album but just lack of new ideas. Almost all songs include notes which I already heard on COE or self titled album. The exception is the song called "Fiction" which is an amazing piece of music but the rest of tracks lack originality (not to mention about some Metallica flavour in Buried Alive or the phrase "fuckin nightmare" in the opening track which sounds just silly and cliche). However the performance and production is of top class, so the rating should be 10. As average I would give this album rating 7.

Written by RavenKing on 05.09.2010 at 23:42

Written by Nyoink on 05.09.2010 at 22:30

What's metalcore exactly?

Crappy modern pseudo-metal bullshit for emo kids.
Supposed to mix elements of hardcore punk and metal.
Music plagued by breakdowns and extremely annoying vocals.

I happen to like the Nightmare album alot. And you guys shouldn't be so disrespectful. They made this entire album to commemorate Rev's death. And even if you aren't an Avenged Sevenfold fan, at least you can respect the memory of a dead person that was very special and close to others. And we need to remember that we all have different tastes in music. Avenged is still metal, albeit just a different type. So lets not argue.

Written by RavenKing on 05.09.2010 at 23:42

Written by Nyoink on 05.09.2010 at 22:30

What's metalcore exactly?

Crappy modern pseudo-metal bullshit for emo kids.
Supposed to mix elements of hardcore punk and metal.
Music plagued by breakdowns and extremely annoying vocals.

I agree. If you watch their music videos which I am guilty of because I was curious, They all look like a bunch of emo kids. As far as I am concerned there is no room for that kind of sold out garbage on this site. The singing on this album is lame and annoying. There is no soul or power to it. This is a safe and wimpy album. I never understood this "metalcore" plague that has been going on lately.

Written by Guest on 31.07.2010 at 07:13

Ride on, Clint Eastwood.

Hmmm Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, and As I lay dying? ALL SHITTY METALCORE BANDS LIKE A7X. I see what this band is getting at but their execution couldn't be any more hamhanded. I know they want to build great melodies in their music but it just gets murdered by the breakdowns and the awful singing and vocal arrangements. There is just so much to hate about this band its not even funny anymore.

I don't understand how the fans are offended. Like Ben 'Yahtzee' Crowshaw said, "If you genuinely liked something than some reviewers opinion shouldn't affect you. Unless there is some niggling doubt in the back of your mind that you try to swat away with a barrage of weak excuses that you didn't really like it in the first place."

I guess the thing that annoyed me is how the album was reviewed. It was reviewed exclusively as a metal album (I guess I should expect that from MetalStorm). But, I mean, just because it isn't straight metal doesn't mean its bad. When they tried to make metal on this album they did it pretty well I think we can both agree. Although the title-track is a little...cliche, it has some cool atmosphere setting riffs, and although overly cheesy, the "Its your fuckin' Nightmare" is pretty cool the first time. However, the cool building of Buried Alive, the fast riffing of Natural Born Killer, and even you admitted that God Hates Us is a strong song (god forbid they set it up with some clean intros and outros). However, stuff like So Far Away and Fiction are no where near them trying to be metal. It is them paying respect to The Rev. I think bashing those songs as just being boring ballads isn't really giving the album a chance. I also think Victim is a great song, and Tonight the World Dies is solid as well. Save Me gets a little redundant however. But, you see what I mean? Only about 1/3 of this album is even metal, and you bashed the whole thing because it didn't cater towards your particular tastes. Thats the thing that irritated me about the review.

Written by JCJen7 on 03.11.2010 at 03:50

I guess the thing that annoyed me is how the album was reviewed. It was reviewed exclusively as a metal album (I guess I should expect that from MetalStorm). But, I mean, just because it isn't straight metal doesn't mean its bad. When they tried to make metal on this album they did it pretty well I think we can both agree. Although the title-track is a little...cliche, it has some cool atmosphere setting riffs, and although overly cheesy, the "Its your fuckin' Nightmare" is pretty cool the first time. However, the cool building of Buried Alive, the fast riffing of Natural Born Killer, and even you admitted that God Hates Us is a strong song (god forbid they set it up with some clean intros and outros). However, stuff like So Far Away and Fiction are no where near them trying to be metal. It is them paying respect to The Rev. I think bashing those songs as just being boring ballads isn't really giving the album a chance. I also think Victim is a great song, and Tonight the World Dies is solid as well. Save Me gets a little redundant however. But, you see what I mean? Only about 1/3 of this album is even metal, and you bashed the whole thing because it didn't cater towards your particular tastes. Thats the thing that irritated me about the review.

take a look at my record collection. i am not a "straight metal" fan. i like a WIDE variety of music and offer no apologies for anything i like. (the Cure's Disintegration is my favorite album ever... something i have not hesitated to state since my first day at the site). nor do i hide my purchases or likes. it is, quite literally, all there for any MSer to see.

this record is a horribly sub-par and safe album from a band looking to slide into that gray area between "radio friendly for maximum sales" and "edgy" to appeal to the Hot Topic crowd.

i have no problems with decidedly unmetal influences on bands. Jesu has a ton of shoegaze in their later records. Mar de Grises has "post-metal" influences. Nachtmystium's latest, Addicts has a decidedly post-punk (i.e. Joy Division, etc) influence. Enslaved, one of my absolute favorite metal bands, was dubbed "Black Floyd" by another staffer for the obvious influence of a certain prog rock band.

i didn't bash the album because it didn't appeal to my tastes - at least not entirely. i can give credit to albums beyond my personal taste if they at least have some vision that i can respect. however this album is sorely lacking in that regard. it's crap designed to push as many units as possible. and that's why it is scored as such.

basically you have just admitted that because YOU found the album enjoyable and i didn't, my review "irritated" you.

i'd say "i'm sorry i didn't get the same enjoyment out of this album you did", and it would partially be true. i did WANT to like the album, but ultimately didn't.

Written by Nyoink on 05.09.2010 at 22:30

What's metalcore exactly? I don't like avenged sevenfold so much by the way...

if you want the best metalcore band here it is > Shadows Fall

Written by Syn Gates on 16.08.2010 at 03:41

Ohh so because i listen to Avenged sevenfold and think that their music is good and that i like trivium as my favorite band this means that i have no originality. trivium has better musicians than most bands anymore, a7x has one of the best guitarists in modern metal, just because their albums are un-original doesnt mean that you have to rip on them cuz their making more money then most bands could dream, if this is the road A7X wants to take then let them be, my opinion is that nightmare is amazing.

/facepalm.

I sincerely hope English is your second language, as there's no conceivable reason for you to fuck up the interpretation of my post any other way. "You're un-original?" No, I never said that, though your butthurt fanboy raving is already overdone by people with slightly better linguistic skills than yourself.

What I intended to say was that you have no concept of originality, as Trivium have none - they were a generic metalcore act that changed into a generic old-school thrash knock off with generic metalcore influences.

Quote:
just because their albums are un-original doesnt mean that you have to rip on them cuz their making more money then most bands could dream

/facepalm²

Yes, that's exactly why we have to rip on them! They come up with generic, fluffy glossed over accessible music which they know will make money. Originality shouldn't be an unimportant trait when it comes to evaluating music.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, A7X sounds like if Lou Pearlman decided to take a swing at metal. Face it, you're defending a band that's taken the basic successful pop formula and applied it to metal, threw a couple tattoos on it and tried to market it as edgy and badass, when in reality it's the same spoiled Orange County kids that brought you music like this.

Written by BitterCOld on 31.07.2010 at 07:28

Written by Guest on 31.07.2010 at 06:35

You know, the review and your opinions mean fuck-all.

Believe it or not, the album got rave reviews from multiple sources.
Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Metacritic, Rolling Stone, you name it.

The reason I believe it got reviewed so bad by Gene Shalit up there is because he's a closet fanatic, but doesn't want anyone to know.

I loved it, and I don't even like Metalcore.

You people need to grow up, get off your high horses, clean your shorts, ect., ect. This review is bullshit.

i'm sorry your experience in listening to this album was different than mine and you cannot accept the fact that i might have actually disliked the album thoroughly based upon it's own merits. (or rather lack thereof)

as for whether or not i am a closet fanatic, and "don't want anyone to know", i can assure you i am not. i'd never listened to them before and have actually been yelled at by other users for deleting their votes when they hit this band with straight 1's (although their votes make more sense now...) as being a fanboi.

i don't hide my musical preferences. i have no need to. a glance at my "collection" is testimony to that.

i don't ride a high horse. i merely call albums as i see them.

i WANTED to like this, knowing how much it would piss off the anti-a7x crowd to say nice things about them ... but i couldn't. the album was terrible. i don't ever want to listen to it again. the review is not bullshit. it's my HONEST opinion on the music.

but nice detective work, you have unmasked me as Gene Shalit.




have a nice evening.


p.s. - thanks for the riotous laughs in citing Rolling Fucking Stone as validation of this album. i think that proves my point...

Anyone can like or dislike any record, that's for sure, but metal is nowadays large enough to be some sort of universe by itself, not only a small room fit with your favorite stuff. Nobody likes all good metal stuff, because there is often no contact between different metal release. Grindcore and Progressive Metal fans are likely to have no common release in their favourites.

IMHO the point is that this is a sub-genre of metal you are not confident with (I suppose). I mean, your favourite bands show it clearly: you come from the dark side of metal with an attitude for aggressive metal, don't you?
Don't get me wrong, my background is not too far from your, at least inside the metal universe. But you are not probably the most appropriate reviewer for such a release.

I checked this album a few days ago, just because I was courious about Avenged Sevenfold music. I don't think this is a bad release, surely it's not an album I can easily get passionate to.
I think such a release should be eveluated by someone who likes similar bands. Maybe someone into more classic metal, or even better into metalcore and likes unrequested displays of virtuosity all over the record.
You are right, this is an easy listening band with enough distorted guitar to seem aggressive to a teenager. That's a point of view that anyone with Slayer, Darkthrone and Bolt Thrower among their favourite artists would say. But someone into black or death metal would never get interested in such a band. Those who like such things, would probably like to read if this is or not a good record according to standards of "that" kind of metal.
What can you compare it with? Wolves In The Throne Room?!? Does it make any sense? Would you be interested in a review of a Slayer record by a die hard Atreyu fan? I guess the less he likes the record the likest is that you (and I) could love it.

The only thing I really wanna mean is that you can, of course speak your mind, but a review written by someone in staff who is into similar band (Bullet For My Valentine, Trivium, and others) would be more adequate.

That's probably why some A7X fan get disturbed by your point of view.

Nightmare of gayness. This album is garbage, as well as the band. The Rev is dead. Boo hoo.

This album was straight trash. I grew up in the same town that these guys did. I had to see them a couple times when they were first starting out. These guys have gotten worse over the years. His voice makes me turn down the volume, there is a tone to it that just fucks with my ears. Fuck these guys and fuck this cd.