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Posted by Ivan on 30.09.2010 at 12:10
I know, it hasn't been long since this system has been introduced, however, we felt that it was inadequate and could use some improving. The main problem is, community points come from everywhere - and if you gained them by writing reviews, for example, it doesn't mean you're competent in editing bands and albums.

The new system keeps track of your achievements in separate areas - bands, albums, videos, trivia, logos, lyrics, lineup and grants you unsupervised access when it looks like you're ready for it. All your edits generate points - 1-3 for edits and 2-6 for additions, depending on quality. Gaining 100 points in Albums will allow you to add albums for invisible bands (200 for visible), 250 points to edit albums for invisible bands (500 for visible) and 300 will allow you to check album edits for invisible bands (600 for visible).

In this way, users can get access to editing pretty much everything in band profiles. As a bonus, you can even add bands after reaching 5000 total points, and edit styles for invisible bands with 2500 total points. You still can't: make bands visible, change band name, edit styles for visible bands.

As soon as you've made any contributions to the bands database and your edits have been accepted, a table will appear in your profile, detailing your progress (example). Retroactively, I transfered all previously recorded stats into the new system. Unfortunately, the records were only for additions, and there were no records for bands, logos and lyrics, so you'll have to start from 0 there, sorry.

If you have any checking permissions unlocked, you'll see a new link at the bottom of the Navigation menu: 'Check edits'. This is a way to help us to get through the piles of edits we're receiving. We trust you to be fair and thorough. Try to check the submitted information and correct whatever mistakes the submitted made. Hit 'Reject' only when the edit is beyond saving. Each checked edit will earn you 4 points in the particular area, plus 3 community points.

In addition to that, all users can now mark things for deletion - just go to the edit screen and hit the 'Delete' button in the bottom. This will be checked and taken care by Staff members.

The old system will remain intact for the moment, but will be most probably removed later.



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  26.09.2012 at 02:11
Written by psykometal on 26.09.2012 at 02:01

Earned points for Bands isn't frozen, mine go up every time I edit a band and check someone else's edit. The only thing that the *99999 did was make it so that non-Staff users cannot Add bands to the database, I fucked that up by adding a band that I did not realize was NS and so Staff deliberated and then unanimously decided that non-Staff users should not be allowed to add to the database because stupid shit will get added like NS bands, bands w/ a single Demo, bands w/ no releases period but the user is friends with them, etc. so on and so forth...

And I have no clue what you're complaining about exactly on the lyrics thing...

I have 42 band points though I have edited hundreds of bands. I remember that RcK had the same problem about 1,5 years ago. Are you sure you get the points from editing? Checking might bring all your points.

The lyrics thing was about the current situation where the first one who adds lyrics gets the 'table' (= earned points) points, and the second one who touches the lyrics will not receive lyrics points, 'cause what his/her contribution is editing, and there's not coming points from editing lyrics at the moment.
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  26.09.2012 at 02:22
Written by Array on 26.09.2012 at 02:11

I have 42 band points though I have edited hundreds of bands. I remember that RcK had the same problem about 1,5 years ago. Are you sure you get the points from editing? Checking might bring all your points.

The lyrics thing was about the current situation where the first one who adds lyrics gets the 'table' (= earned points) points, and the second one who touches the lyrics will not receive lyrics points, 'cause what his/her contribution is editing, and there's not coming points from editing lyrics at the moment.

Ok I see what you mean now by the Bands points are frozen, I didn't really notice that before but yea you're right I do check more edits than I actually do myself so my Bands points never stopped going up. You might want to actually PM Ivan that one, might get a quicker response than in a thread but Idk for sure.

As for the lyrics thing, you lost me again. I thought I knew what you meant but not anymore, probably because I don't really deal with Lyrics much. I did just enough lyrics stuff back in the day to get the points to Add/Edit/Check those but don't really do anything more than just check the occasional lyrics submission though.
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Array

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  26.09.2012 at 02:33
Written by psykometal on 26.09.2012 at 02:22

Written by Array on 26.09.2012 at 02:11

I have 42 band points though I have edited hundreds of bands. I remember that RcK had the same problem about 1,5 years ago. Are you sure you get the points from editing? Checking might bring all your points.

The lyrics thing was about the current situation where the first one who adds lyrics gets the 'table' (= earned points) points, and the second one who touches the lyrics will not receive lyrics points, 'cause what his/her contribution is editing, and there's not coming points from editing lyrics at the moment.

Ok I see what you mean now by the Bands points are frozen, I didn't really notice that before but yea you're right I do check more edits than I actually do myself so my Bands points never stopped going up. You might want to actually PM Ivan that one, might get a quicker response than in a thread but Idk for sure.

As for the lyrics thing, you lost me again. I thought I knew what you meant but not anymore, probably because I don't really deal with Lyrics much. I did just enough lyrics stuff back in the day to get the points to Add/Edit/Check those but don't really do anything more than just check the occasional lyrics submission though.

Well, at first I just wait if he appears in here. I try to summarize this:

Add = Table points
Edit = No table points
Check = Table points

Person who cannot add bands, won't get the add points. He/she still possibly can edit them if he/she has gained some green + permissions, but this won't give him/her table points. This person of course can't check band's either 'cause he/she hasn't earned those table points. This person is 'frozen'.

Lyrics:

The person who adds the rest of the lyrics for this album http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/album.php?album_id=63918&band_id=1309&bandname=As+I+Lay+Dying will only receive community points. The table points are already gone.
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  26.09.2012 at 02:49
Written by Array on 26.09.2012 at 02:33

Well, at first I just wait if he appears in here. I try to summarize this:

Add = Table points
Edit = No table points
Check = Table points

Obviously you've taken lots of time to figure this out. I earned all my Perms before I ended up fucking up the Bands Adding ability of non-Staff users, but I after fucking that up and being told why they pulled the plug on it I can agree completely that non-Staff users should not be able to Add bands to the database; however I do contend that there should be some individuals who have proved they will not do stupid shit (myself included) that Staff should give the Perm to in order to help augment that part of the site.
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Array

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  26.09.2012 at 02:57
Written by psykometal on 26.09.2012 at 02:49

Obviously you've taken lots of time to figure this out. I earned all my Perms before I ended up fucking up the Bands Adding ability of non-Staff users, but I after fucking that up and being told why they pulled the plug on it I can agree completely that non-Staff users should not be able to Add bands to the database; however I do contend that there should be some individuals who have proved they will not do stupid shit (myself included) that Staff should give the Perm to in order to help augment that part of the site.

Yea, I remember there was a flood of added bands. I didn't really edit bands at the time so I had only few points. It would be just nice that the table would allow people to reach the check milestone. Yep, the adding bands perms definitely should be only for staff etc. and that is why I'm not even asking it to be free again. Just the 'Check'.

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