Written by RavenKing on 20.11.2010 at 01:03

Written by Guest on 19.11.2010 at 18:00

Written by Sword_Chant on 19.11.2010 at 17:34

Since when did recording gear mean a good album is made? What about good black metal? Most of their quality is shit but sometimes it makes the album all the more interesting and awesome.

Bit of a dumb analogy. I agree that recording gear doesnt make an album good/bad but the blackmetal comparison is stupid. Because blackmetal is supposed to sound like shit and most of the time it does. But obviously Wintersun wants a little more out of their recording for this album, especially with all the instrumentation (apparently) planned for the album. So I think proper gear is more important to them than for some blackmetal band.

If Wintersun recorded and album that sounded like it was made in some obscure forest, practically inaudible instruments and static then it wouldnt make any sense.

I find it funny when I read people saying that "Black Metal sounds like shit and you can't hear the instruments". My opinion is all you need is to get used to it. The sound is only different, in my mind, not crappy. I can hear the instruments well enough for my tastes and, in general, the sound is the way I like it to be.
Some bands might sound as they lack polish but I prefer this a hundred times to a polished sound. A raw, unpolished sound has the quality to be 'alive', to touch you and give emotions. An overpolished sound is lifeless, emotionless and, in the end, boring.

I understand that not everyone will agree but that's the way metal sound works for me. I would add that burying the drums a bit helps hearing guitar riffs and, imo, BM succeeds at this more than any other genre. Generally, drums are an annoyance in metal nowadays because they're recorded way too loud compared to other instruments. We didn't have this problem in the 80s. It all started in the 90s.
I fucking hate drums in Powermetal, especially. Not only that they're recorded way too much over everything but they're repetitive, generic and original - a very bad combination that makes so many bands sound like each other.

Written by Doc G. on 20.11.2010 at 00:43


You totally read that wrong. I'm pretty sure he was using Black metal as an example. Secondly, rougher recording really works for a lot of music, and frankly, Wintersun probably wouldn't sound so Goddamned boring if they left a few rough edges instead of making music that sounds stifled from being way too over polished.

Written by Guest on 19.11.2010 at 18:00

Written by Sword_Chant on 19.11.2010 at 17:34

Since when did recording gear mean a good album is made? What about good black metal? Most of their quality is shit but sometimes it makes the album all the more interesting and awesome.

Bit of a dumb analogy. I agree that recording gear doesnt make an album good/bad but the blackmetal comparison is stupid. Because blackmetal is supposed to sound like shit and most of the time it does. But obviously Wintersun wants a little more out of their recording for this album, especially with all the instrumentation (apparently) planned for the album. So I think proper gear is more important to them than for some blackmetal band.

If Wintersun recorded and album that sounded like it was made in some obscure forest, practically inaudible instruments and static then it wouldnt make any sense.

Written by Doc G. on 20.11.2010 at 00:43

Written by amarchand on 19.11.2010 at 23:28

Written by Sword_Chant on 19.11.2010 at 17:34

Since when did recording gear mean a good album is made? What about good black metal? Most of their quality is shit but sometimes it makes the album all the more interesting and awesome.

LOL. Makes it interesting and awesome eh? Obscured audio quality = more awesomness!!! Not being able to hear actual notes = more awesomeness!!! For Wintersun this would sound fucking terrible. They're not black metal to begin wtih.

You totally read that wrong. I'm pretty sure he was using Black metal as an example. Secondly, rougher recording really works for a lot of music, and frankly, Wintersun probably wouldn't sound so Goddamned boring if they left a few rough edges instead of making music that sounds stifled from being way too over polished.

Written by Sword_Chant on 20.11.2010 at 13:11


Wow take it easy, before you decapitate me read the guys comment above, he should point you towards what I meant. Good quality doesn't always work...many great bands manage to make the most of the gear they have when the music itself is legitimate. I wasn't referring to just Black metal alone, so i'd probably have to agree with you if we we're just speaking about that - I wasn't talking about that though, I was talking about the gear. Production isn't everything...i'd rather hear something distorted that actually sounds good than something over-produced. Quality is important, but not when it goes TOO far, it can prove tedious. But that's just my opinion and theres a lot of metal genres out there that do under-production very well, I just used 1 example...and I like Wintersun otherwise I wouldn't have commented at all

Written by Doc G. on 20.11.2010 at 00:43

Written by amarchand on 19.11.2010 at 23:28

Written by Sword_Chant on 19.11.2010 at 17:34

Since when did recording gear mean a good album is made? What about good black metal? Most of their quality is shit but sometimes it makes the album all the more interesting and awesome.

LOL. Makes it interesting and awesome eh? Obscured audio quality = more awesomness!!! Not being able to hear actual notes = more awesomeness!!! For Wintersun this would sound fucking terrible. They're not black metal to begin wtih.

You totally read that wrong. I'm pretty sure he was using Black metal as an example. Secondly, rougher recording really works for a lot of music, and frankly, Wintersun probably wouldn't sound so Goddamned boring if they left a few rough edges instead of making music that sounds stifled from being way too over polished.

Written by Guest on 30.11.2010 at 10:07

'Over polished' recordings work really well for a lot of music, as does 'rougher' recordings for others... so saying Wintersun's music sounds stifled because of that is just your opinion. If one looks at recordings objectively, one can clearly state whatever works best for the 'theme'/ 'concept' and in this case considering Wintersun's style their production suits their goal.

Written by Doc G. on 30.11.2010 at 17:09

Written by Guest on 30.11.2010 at 10:07

'Over polished' recordings work really well for a lot of music, as does 'rougher' recordings for others... so saying Wintersun's music sounds stifled because of that is just your opinion. If one looks at recordings objectively, one can clearly state whatever works best for the 'theme'/ 'concept' and in this case considering Wintersun's style their production suits their goal.

Yes, it is my opinion. Thank you for stating that.

Written by Guest on 30.11.2010 at 23:33

Written by Doc G. on 30.11.2010 at 17:09

Written by Guest on 30.11.2010 at 10:07

'Over polished' recordings work really well for a lot of music, as does 'rougher' recordings for others... so saying Wintersun's music sounds stifled because of that is just your opinion. If one looks at recordings objectively, one can clearly state whatever works best for the 'theme'/ 'concept' and in this case considering Wintersun's style their production suits their goal.

Yes, it is my opinion. Thank you for stating that.

It's a huge pleasure.

Written by Urizen367 on 20.12.2010 at 06:02

There seems to be an overwhelming feeling of "dont give a shit these days" when it comes to wintersun. sigh. how the once proud fall.