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Posted by marinBG on 01.09.2006 at 21:39
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I don't know whe ever tought of that name at all... and the strangest thing is when I see that Children Of Bodom are listed like that... quite frankly it pisses me off quite a lot!
and the most annoying thing is that I've read for example Alexi Laiho say that it doesn't matter how that style of the band is reffered to by people no matter if they say black, death or whatever kind of metal AS LONG AS IT'S NOT POWER METAL! And I really don't think that Children Of Bodom and Manowar for example should be both counted in the same cathegory... and I don't really think that the word "extreeme" changes so much... and I don't think it's the same style at all... for me the two styles have nothing in common...
and I think it is alfully rude and wrong to try to push a genre name to people that even the bands that are supposed to be in do not agree with... for me the most important opinion about stuff like that is the one of the people who create the music... there for if a band does not consider themselves something, you don't have the right to tell them what kind of music they play... especially when the bands is not made from complete retards...
I think people here should drop this gender name and go with melodic death metal or something... or finnish melodic death metal... or in other cases with Gothenburg Metal or something... But for me Extreeme Power Metal is comlitly incorrect... especially for Children Of Bodom
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 Shadowcross
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17.06.2009 at 17:17
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Completely disagree. At the heart of the music it isn't power metal - it is death metal.
The only similarities are melodic solos.
People also say that Dragonforce is 'extreme power' yet this would place them alongside Kalmah, Wintersun etc. If you put growling vocals on Dragonforce it wouldn't fit, I can assure you.
Even though I disagree it is a common term and nothing can change that now.
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Andresopeth
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17.06.2009 at 21:42
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What is the problem of name in the things you listen to?, i mean, why is weird to someone that there's a genre called "Brutal Melodic Folk Metal" but there's normal another one called "Melodic Death Metal", the main issue should be if you like or you do not like the music, who cares how people clasify it??????, who cares which name people put on it????. Music is what it is, it is described itself and is the only thing we can be sure of, in my personal though, i don't care how it is called by others
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Deadmeat
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17.06.2009 at 21:48
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Written by Andresopeth on 17.06.2009 at 21:42
What is the problem of name in the things you listen to?, i mean, why is weird to someone that there's a genre called "Brutal Melodic Folk Metal" but there's normal another one called "Melodic Death Metal", the main issue should be if you like or you do not like the music, who cares how people clasify it??????, who cares which name people put on it????. Music is what it is, it is described itself and is the only thing we can be sure of, in my personal though, i don't care how it is called by others
hasn't ever someone asked you what style of music you prefer????
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Andresopeth
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18.06.2009 at 16:07
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Written by Deadmeat on 17.06.2009 at 21:48
Written by Andresopeth on 17.06.2009 at 21:42
What is the problem of name in the things you listen to?, i mean, why is weird to someone that there's a genre called "Brutal Melodic Folk Metal" but there's normal another one called "Melodic Death Metal", the main issue should be if you like or you do not like the music, who cares how people clasify it??????, who cares which name people put on it????. Music is what it is, it is described itself and is the only thing we can be sure of, in my personal though, i don't care how it is called by others
hasn't ever someone asked you what style of music you prefer????
Yes, and when someone aske me that i answer with the names of the bands i like the most. Names of genre are subjective, would someone explain why a genre is called "Brutal" or "Death" or "Black", they're just names which is most important is music itsel, i don't care about how people call what i listen to.
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Deadmeat
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18.06.2009 at 16:09
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Written by Andresopeth on 18.06.2009 at 16:07
Written by Deadmeat on 17.06.2009 at 21:48
Written by Andresopeth on 17.06.2009 at 21:42
What is the problem of name in the things you listen to?, i mean, why is weird to someone that there's a genre called "Brutal Melodic Folk Metal" but there's normal another one called "Melodic Death Metal", the main issue should be if you like or you do not like the music, who cares how people clasify it??????, who cares which name people put on it????. Music is what it is, it is described itself and is the only thing we can be sure of, in my personal though, i don't care how it is called by others
hasn't ever someone asked you what style of music you prefer????
Yes, and when someone aske me that i answer with the names of the bands i like the most. Names of genre are subjective, would someone explain why a genre is called "Brutal" or "Death" or "Black", they're just names which is most important is music itsel, i don't care about how people call what i listen to.
every band you like has elements from those music styles. they can have the elements of 1 music style or of 10 mixed.. but the music styles exist...
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Andresopeth
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18.06.2009 at 16:17
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Written by Deadmeat on 18.06.2009 at 16:09
Written by Andresopeth on 18.06.2009 at 16:07
Written by Deadmeat on 17.06.2009 at 21:48
Written by Andresopeth on 17.06.2009 at 21:42
What is the problem of name in the things you listen to?, i mean, why is weird to someone that there's a genre called "Brutal Melodic Folk Metal" but there's normal another one called "Melodic Death Metal", the main issue should be if you like or you do not like the music, who cares how people clasify it??????, who cares which name people put on it????. Music is what it is, it is described itself and is the only thing we can be sure of, in my personal though, i don't care how it is called by others
hasn't ever someone asked you what style of music you prefer????
Yes, and when someone aske me that i answer with the names of the bands i like the most. Names of genre are subjective, would someone explain why a genre is called "Brutal" or "Death" or "Black", they're just names which is most important is music itsel, i don't care about how people call what i listen to.
every band you like has elements from those music styles. they can have the elements of 1 music style or of 10 mixed.. but the music styles exist...
Of course they exist, but if a band, for example, plays "Death Metal", and suddenly they play a song with "Melodic" stuffs then everyone says is "Melodic Death Metal", and what happen if they mix 10 diferent elements?, so they genre would be the names of those 10?, or even worse, what if they play two songs with 10 elements mixed, then 2 songs with 8 and 5 with just one? then you will have to classify every song?, man that's insane!
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Deadmeat
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18.06.2009 at 16:24
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Written by Andresopeth on 18.06.2009 at 16:17
Of course they exist, but if a band, for example, plays "Death Metal", and suddenly they play a song with "Melodic" stuffs then everyone says is "Melodic Death Metal", and what happen if they mix 10 diferent elements?, so they genre would be the names of those 10?, or even worse, what if they play two songs with 10 elements mixed, then 2 songs with 8 and 5 with just one? then you will have to classify every song?, man that's insane!
surely man. you are right on that. everyone who wants to categorize a band tells the most usual style-styles they play...
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14.07.2009 at 18:15
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If you look at the music some of it is definitely power metal based and the vocals come from the extreme genres so yes i agree that extreme power metal does exist
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loudandheavy
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09.08.2009 at 15:50
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Every single day people mix metal genres,i agree with andresopeth. you just cant to rename every genre and every band that makes a new song with new elements.that's what people like to do and i sure not agree with that. i will give you an example: listen to the soilwork's album stabbing the drama and you have melodic musics like stabbing the drama or nerve and you have one music called blind eye halo that is much heavier than the others,what do you call it?super death thrash speed metal?lol. don't concern about give names to the genres and bands just listen to them
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12.10.2009 at 07:49
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Children of bodom are more of a melo death band than a power band but they do have some aspects of power metal so why not call it power death metal or some shit like that. I dont much care for classifications though if it sounds good its good (except for metalcore which is the worlds worst music)!!
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12.10.2009 at 08:11
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At the end of the argument road.... who cares?
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Metalbound7
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16.11.2009 at 13:47
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Just call it Melodic Death Metal
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MétalNoir
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16.11.2009 at 23:03
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Written by Deadmeat on 18.06.2009 at 16:24
Written by Andresopeth on 18.06.2009 at 16:17
Of course they exist, but if a band, for example, plays "Death Metal", and suddenly they play a song with "Melodic" stuffs then everyone says is "Melodic Death Metal", and what happen if they mix 10 diferent elements?, so they genre would be the names of those 10?, or even worse, what if they play two songs with 10 elements mixed, then 2 songs with 8 and 5 with just one? then you will have to classify every song?, man that's insane!
surely man. you are right on that. everyone who wants to categorize a band tells the most usual style-styles they play...
There's also the very useful "Avantgarde Metal" subgenre, when you don't have the slightest idea what genre a band plays ^^
And about the thread's main subject, I think Extreme Power Metal is a good "definition name", but it should have it's own name. Extreme Power metal sounds too much like it was a subgenre of Power Metal, but in reality, it's more a meloblack or melodeath subgenre. The question is: is it a melodic kind of extreme metal or an extreme kind of melodic metal? Eternal Tears Of Sorrow has some tracks that can hardly be called extreme, for instance.
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 Angelic Storm
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17.11.2009 at 09:34
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Written by Metalbound7 on 16.11.2009 at 13:47
Just call it Melodic Death Metal
Yep, that's pretty much what I was thinking! I think Nevermore is about as close as you'd get to a band being "extreme power metal". They have Warrel Dane, who is an awesome singer, and could easily be in a regular power metal band. There's also a lot of melody in their stuff. But there's some riffs bordering on death metal too. I've heard some referring to Nevermore as power metal, but I really don't think they are. Though Warrel's voice definitely gives them an edge of power metal. They are hard to classify, as they pretty much sit on the boundary inbetween power and melodic death metal.
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Arian Totalis
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17.11.2009 at 10:34
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Written by Angelic Storm on 17.11.2009 at 09:34
Written by Metalbound7 on 16.11.2009 at 13:47
Just call it Melodic Death Metal
Yep, that's pretty much what I was thinking! I think Nevermore is about as close as you'd get to a band being "extreme power metal". They have Warrel Dane, who is an awesome singer, and could easily be in a regular power metal band. There's also a lot of melody in their stuff. But there's some riffs bordering on death metal too. I've heard some referring to Nevermore as power metal, but I really don't think they are. Though Warrel's voice definitely gives them an edge of power metal. They are hard to classify, as they pretty much sit on the boundary inbetween power and melodic death metal.
I would personally classify Nevermore as a strange brand of Melodic Thrash. They kick alot of ass and are pretty obscure, but if I were to label them I think that's about as close I can get.
But I wouldn't neceserrily call Extreme Power Metal the same as Melo-death. I mean, I've heard people call bodom Melodic-DM before but musically they sound closer to power metal. Some of their riffs are heavy, sure, but most of what would make people call them that is the fact that Alexi uses harsh vocals *shrug* so what, they're still not DM. I think "extreme power metal" is more suiting 
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Angelic Storm
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17.11.2009 at 17:01
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Written by Arian Totalis on 17.11.2009 at 10:34
I would personally classify Nevermore as a strange brand of Melodic Thrash. They kick alot of ass and are pretty obscure, but if I were to label them I think that's about as close I can get.
But I wouldn't neceserrily call Extreme Power Metal the same as Melo-death. I mean, I've heard people call bodom Melodic-DM before but musically they sound closer to power metal. Some of their riffs are heavy, sure, but most of what would make people call them that is the fact that Alexi uses harsh vocals *shrug* so what, they're still not DM. I think "extreme power metal" is more suiting
I think they are closer to death metal than thrash metal, but they are really hard to categories. I do hate labels anyway, there's just good metal and bad metal to me.  I think the harsh vocals are the main reason COB are called melodic death metal, and I think if Nevermore had a harsh/brutal vocalist, they would be called melodic death metal. I would class COB as melodic death metal, though they are quite power metallish, especially the keyboards!
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thedreamwalker
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03.04.2010 at 03:13
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The fact is that the bands define the genre, not the other way around. If you try to make a band based on a genre, you just get generic crap. If you make music the way you want to hear it, and it's good, then keep doing that until some geek on the internet (like us) or some journalist coins a new name for it. Like when that writer used the phrase "heavy metal" to describe JIMI HENDRIX!!!! Do any of the bands listed in this whole forum sound like Jimi? NO! Are they still metal? See where I'm going with this?
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Xim
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13.04.2010 at 18:03
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Yeah, I wouldn't call COB a death metal band either. I just put them down as "Extreme metal" on my playlist.
Written by thedreamwalker on 03.04.2010 at 03:13
Like when that writer used the phrase "heavy metal" to describe JIMI HENDRIX!!!! Do any of the bands listed in this whole forum sound like Jimi? NO! Are they still metal? See where I'm going with this?
Well back in the day some people would call Jimi Hendrix and even other bands like Aerosmith heavy metal. Hard-rock and heavy metal were synonymous, but with heavy metal becoming more and more of a different genre of music not too many people would these days.
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21.10.2011 at 11:42
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I think both Children of Bodom and Dark Tranquillity sound like death metal would with lots of added melody, but in different ways. Sure, you could claim Children Of Bodom is extreme melodic (see what I did there?) thrashy heavy blabla with neoclassical influences, or you could just say how it sounds like and what they aimed for. I don't think their influence was power metal or that they tried to add extreme elements to power metal to create their music. And people who say it sounds like Stratovarius obviously haven't heard Stratovarius in their lives. Same goes for all the other bands influenced by CoB.
Their music is weird - it appears to be extreme and in its heart is not. But in its heart is certainly not power metal.
I think this division was brought to us by the death metal purists who don't want to have 'gay bands' like CoB anywhere near their music.
BUT. THERE ARE bands which sound like (symphonic) power with added extreme vocals, like the last two of EToS or Euphoreon.
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23.10.2011 at 22:12
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Written by Shadowcross on 17.06.2009 at 17:17
Completely disagree. At the heart of the music it isn't power metal - it is death metal.
The only similarities are melodic solos.
People also say that Dragonforce is 'extreme power' yet this would place them alongside Kalmah, Wintersun etc. If you put growling vocals on Dragonforce it wouldn't fit, I can assure you.
Even though I disagree it is a common term and nothing can change that now.
I would like to point out that Dragonforce already uses growling vocals. While they are not very pronounced, you can hear them on the Inhuman Rampage album as backing vocals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRUNW7R6sTw&feature=related Listen carefully at 1:13 or so when the vocal line "cry out for the fallen heroes" is sung. Hear the screams?
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M C Vice
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27.10.2011 at 07:46
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I usually read Extreme Power Metal as being Melodic Death Metal with Power Metal keyboards, like Children Of Bodom or Eternal Tears Of Sorrow. But both genre's are poorly defined so they could go either way. Don't think Dragonforce should be there though.
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08.10.2012 at 00:21
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Only if you want it to exist. 
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08.10.2012 at 09:42
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I always thought Extreme Power Metal was a genre for those bands who basically played Power Metal with Death vocals and such. If it's the speed of the music that lands Dragonforce into that genre, shouldn't they rather be called Melodic Speed Metal instead? Personally I think of them as Power Metal. Yes they're fast, but that doesn't make their music any more extreme does it? I mean, for metal to be extreme it either must be pretty brutal or very scattered genre-wise right? I usually just divide Metal as a whole into two basic categories: Melodic and Brutal.
EDIT: I see M C Vice already brought it up a couple of posts above. 
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26.11.2012 at 05:09
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Written by Shadowcross on 17.06.2009 at 17:17
People also say that Dragonforce is 'extreme power' yet this would place them alongside Kalmah, Wintersun etc. If you put growling vocals on Dragonforce it wouldn't fit, I can assure you.
I know, Dragonforce is as far from extreme metal as anything. Their music is way too happy sounding to be extreme in anything besides speed.
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