Current situation in Gaza
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Posted by Gurth Bennas, 31.12.2010 - 13:30
Ilham Giant robot |
31.07.2014 - 05:18 Written by deadone on 31.07.2014 at 05:07 I understand why you digressed, okay. Sorry, I'll just stick to the stuff I know . Yeah the French rarely said no to a little war. Well for Morocco, that's exactly what happened during the latest chain of revolutions in North Africa. We have a very stable economy and political environment, but the country had its bad days, as I said earlier. Riots/coups/terrorist attacks. That's why it's safer to imagine an escape plan than get caught here. We already had the talk with my parents. And I was saying, without going to the lengths of WWIII, the problems in Gaza might spark terrorist attacks here, as there have been correlation between that conflict and what happened here in 2003. A 500 mere metres from my school and 800 from my place .
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Vombatus Potorro |
31.07.2014 - 05:24
Hmmm yeah, some 1914 resemblance here and there, but overall the situation isn't at all the same. Our beloved leaders think a bit more before enrolling into a full scale war since wwII (say thanks to nuclear weapons), which was not the case back then with that romantic vision of war and lesser interaction/dependance between states (to put it simple). It is a well known phenomenon, this sobering effect that makes direct confrontation unlikely (never happened till now). The risk of overkill/mutual-kill/instant-kill (to pick up the terms of R.Jervis) makes it obvious that the odds of another war between the big guys very difficult (yeah, even if you think to know that Putin, Obama, Xin Jinping only dream of death and destruction). Cold War was a good example (and some of the situations back then were much more dire than now). If anything, what we see with all the crap that is stirring up is just typical proliferation of non nuclear war that nuclear states use so frequently to continue with their confrontation, albeit not directly, through third-party states that temporarely become the center of the attention. I still think the situation in Ukraine is quite interesting, as well as the outcome post-arab spring & similar crap in arab world/middle east. For Gaza, it's just another page of a long conflict, I can't see anything new happening.
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Alex F Slick Dick Rick |
31.07.2014 - 05:40 Written by deadone on 31.07.2014 at 05:34 Of course a compromise should be sought. My personal preference would be one that is not affiliated with ANY religion, but rather (possibly) focused on the preservation of the numerous cultures from the area. I was simply trying to provide some food for though as to why many people feel the way they do.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
31.07.2014 - 10:38 Written by Troy Killjoy on 31.07.2014 at 04:36 true but just remember Romania, Poland , Baltics are in the NATO and paragraph 5 works , well worked after 19.11
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mz |
01.08.2014 - 12:18
^A great example of how Israil attacks non-armed areas: UN spokesman cries on camera over Gaza school attack . Seemingly, Israil army had been informed and warned not to attack this UN made school, but they did not care. Yeah Hamas are terrorists and stupid but what can be said about Israil? In another news, Israil's army has asked for the evacuation of half of the Gaza strip. Are people supposed to jump into the water considering how the borders are blocked?
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angel. Evil Butterfly |
01.08.2014 - 16:15 Written by mz on 01.08.2014 at 12:18 Well,most Israelis and Europeans and Americans. Know these poor people as the scums and second rates, so killing them is more than ok, who are you talking with? People has become so deaf and blind recently., They're. Arabs then it's ok if they die,who gives Fuck actually. If they're terrorists or civilians, sigh!
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0rpheus |
01.08.2014 - 16:19
Gabor Maté, a Jewish Holocaust survivor: "As a Jewish youngster growing up in Budapest, an infant survivor of the Nazi genocide, I was for years haunted by a question resounding in my brain with such force that sometimes my head would spin: "How was it possible? How could the world have let such horrors happen?" "In Gaza today we find ways of justifying the bombing of hospitals, the annihilation of families at dinner, the killing of pre-adolescents playing soccer on a beach." "In Israel-Palestine the powerful party has succeeded in painting itself as the victim, while the ones being killed and maimed become the perpetrators." "Netanyahu, you who with surgical precision slaughter innocents, the young and the old, you who have cruelly blockaded Gaza for years, starving it of necessities, you who deprive Palestinians of more and more of their land, their water, their crops, their trees ? you care about life?" [Full commentary]
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
04.08.2014 - 14:14 Written by deadone on 04.08.2014 at 03:06 ppl have no clue how those intel are gathered how secret services works, ppl even cant recognize governnet vieachles when they drives by, ppl cant even tell difference between Glock and Beretta in the holster ..... intel must be gathered, spying from satellite in Gaza is not possible , you need some insider, some help, and its risky, hiding between civilians are tactics .... I heard US SWAT team I shoot dead unarmed ppl in anti terror operation wont go to court, same as every Izreali solder has diplomatically immunity 100% agree whit last part whit you, even arabs non car about Syria, African civil wars, Lybia, Iraq, when there is isreal involved wall world cares... well ebola will wipe out all world BTW any full time war whit Rus vs NATO --- whole mid east, Asia, Africa will die from human catastrophe because I doubt EU and USA will send 1th aid kits to those regions ..... if Europe and US from today stop send there food, blankets , medicaments ... in one month time word population be send to 16th century numbers---- in Europe many WP parties is rising, more shit in the mid east, more immigration and chaos, we will see new Adolf in Western Europe , this time not attacking to neighbor, but other contents ... sending all those refugees home, or to gas chamber.... US wont suffer so much, Europe will, and does China gives fuck about arab conflicts? No... China will re act if Rus send they troops to Mongolia. 11.09 we saw what happened article 5 and one country was hell fired and smart bombed .... why ppl don't judge Chechens and Doku Urlamov troops when they blow some bombs and why ppl don't judge Russians about war crimes in Dagestan and Chechenia, they do even worth thinks there as Isreal do .... If Mexico should rocket to LA, US bomber plains will bomb whole Columbian jungle and Mexican cartels villas.... if Iraq will attack to Iran as in 80's Iran army will fire back. if Armenia will attack to Turkey, huge cannpns will pounding Armenian military positions, but there in nagaro carabach, are soldiers, not children... solution, demilitarize Gaza, and UN solders will look there... only way how I see it
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0rpheus |
04.08.2014 - 14:31
Probably, it's not just about Hamas when taking into consideration the Israeli energy crisis. "Israel's defence minister has confirmed that military plans to 'uproot Hamas' are about dominating Gaza's gas reserve"
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
04.08.2014 - 14:33 Written by 0rpheus on 04.08.2014 at 14:31 if all hamas militants be killed and no rocket shout to Israel and if they still do this , then ... if EU and US could attack to Russia and take all its gass and oil for free and if out fuel prizes be 90% less I would say GO ... just saying
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Ilham Giant robot |
04.08.2014 - 14:37
Because this is the Gaza thread. Not the Ebola thread.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
04.08.2014 - 14:51 Written by Ilham on 04.08.2014 at 14:37 yes but facebook all other forums, no one cares about other conflicts, Syria, ISIS, Africans butchering Africans and so on ... just saying same time ppl still don't see Ukr in the map and Ukr has border to Pol and Mol, well Mol has whit Ro ... when 100 Rus bombers will bomb Wasrhawa, and 100 napalm bombs will bomb kalisngrad (I like to say kenigberg since its still Germany) ... ppl still will not see , but next day might be to late to see , nothing a nuclear dusts , just saying
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0rpheus |
04.08.2014 - 15:14 Written by Bad English on 04.08.2014 at 14:51 "no one"?! seriously?! Have you scanned all facebook and all forums or you just throw your "faulty generalization" on us? People cared about Syria the most during a certain period and they still, but since another cause has jumped into the scene the focus is changed and this is quite normal. This doesn't mean they stopped caring about other causes. No one has the right to blame others for caring more or less about certain causes, even indirectly. If you don't care about a certain topic, you can simply sit back and not engage in the discussion at first place.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
04.08.2014 - 15:20 Written by 0rpheus on 04.08.2014 at 15:14 but when it comes to islam lands when Israel do something its super huge panic can I be provocative now? did some Africans and syrian refugees, Palestinians as well has said thank you Europe for 1th aid kid? other question rus decide invade to Poland, and WWIII starts, will arabs bleed for Europe, and fight against Russia?
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0rpheus |
04.08.2014 - 15:39 Written by Bad English on 04.08.2014 at 14:33 I doubt eliminating Hamas - which was founded in 1987 - will stop Israel from continuing what it does and has been doing since 1948! You talk about war for resources like if it was simply rightful or taken for granted. You make it sounds more like 'real-time strategy' PC games.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
04.08.2014 - 15:41 Written by 0rpheus on 04.08.2014 at 15:39 I don't play PC games an taking out military of hamas, can show what izreal plans is and if there would be original border, as in 47? would there be peace? and why Gaza and West bank cant b indepent states ??
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0rpheus |
04.08.2014 - 16:30
"Israel admitted to using Palestinians as human shields on more than 1,200 occasions" [More...] Sophisticated army, indeed!
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Schtogny Account deleted |
05.08.2014 - 09:17 Schtogny
Account deleted Written by Gurth Bennas on 07.01.2011 at 15:02 Wrong. Alien Reptilian Shapeshifters control the Rothschilds who control the Banks which Andrew Jackson said controlled the world. I know this to be true. Tupac was reborn and had eyes like a lizard when he became the Phoenix and foretells the prophecy of the NWO controlled by the UN. Joking aside, my understanding of the situation is that Hamas is somewhat an underground militant group that isn't easily pinpoint in who/what/where they are and Israel blows the fuck out of anything that seems to be Hamas. Meanwhile Hamas puts their shit and decoys and whatnot near schools and hospitals etc so that when Israel blows that shit up the populace hates Israel. To be fair Israel seems to give fair enough warning before they attack however (Hitting the target with a dummy round) and whoever is in Gaza seems to be too lazy or just too stupid to get out of the path of destruction and they end up getting killed or injured etc. Problem it seems is that like most guerrilla groups, they stir shit up with Israel or whatever country but stay hidden enough that you can't just roll in and kick ass and take names so Israel hits their infrastructure and whatever they leave out in the open. This is a westerners view of course that doesn't own TV though. How off is this for curiosities sake?
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05.08.2014 - 09:35 Schtogny
Account deleted Quote:Written by deadone on 24.07.2014 at 05:00 Well, I don't know about sexy but the IMI made 1911 they sent to the states is about the only non-GI 1911 I have ever used that didn't shit itself as soon as it fell in some mud so I have to give them props on that. Tavor is shit though. Bullpups are so fucking stupid and Tavors can't seem to stabilize their projectiles, or at least not the ones we get here in the US.
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mz |
05.08.2014 - 09:36 Written by deadone on 04.08.2014 at 03:06 The problem with this discussion is that regardless of what we say, you are going to answer that Israil doesn't attack without reason and that you "suspect" there was intel. 'Criminal act': Ban Ki-moon outraged over Israel's deadly strike on Gaza UN school "The UN chief has called a new Israeli airstrike on a Gaza UN school that killed 10 and injured 35 a "moral outrage and a criminal act." "For this particular installation we notified the Israeli Army on 33 separate occasions that this school in Rafah was being used to accommodate the displaced, the last time only an hour before the incident," the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said in a statement. Now, since I see you again questioning the purpose of us blaming Israil, let's just clarify it for the last time: I do consider Hamas to be terrorists. The thing is that the Israil is not the angelic force you are depicting. I see you mocking other comment about Israil using Palestinians as human shield. I have a few questions here: 1- Do you think that such thing had happened or not? 2-If it had happened, regardless of whatever Hamas does, is it morally acceptable or not? This is going to be the last reply I give you on this topic. No offence, but to be honest, I feel like I could have a more logical discussion with a solid rock than you.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
06.08.2014 - 13:43
BTW why Isreal is not part of the NATO?
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0rpheus |
06.08.2014 - 17:03 Written by deadone on 06.08.2014 at 03:35 How funny it is that instead of discussing the news and info we post, you shift the discussion to a personal argument blaming us for our attitude, while you are doing the same exact thing being biased to Israel and nobody blamed you for it as personally and frankly, I don't give a fuck about your stand!
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0rpheus |
06.08.2014 - 17:41
Statement: I don't support Hamas for their ideology contradicts mine. I am totally against random rocket firing. Hamas is only one chapter of the story and I don't give it that much importance as the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is bigger and older than Hamas. The Palestinian resistance is wider and older than Hamas. And what Israel does is incomparable with Hamas' deeds. Side note: Slamming Hamas doesn't make Israel any prettier! So, if someone really wants to defend or beautify the image of Israel, he can't rely on slamming Hamas because Israel's atrocities predate Hamas and their nasty acts.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
08.08.2014 - 02:21 Written by deadone on 08.08.2014 at 01:51 yes but still west has suffered from islam terrorists as well , and can suffer so it don't matter much and as far as I know only enemy of NATO is another country
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Bad English Tage Westerlund |
08.08.2014 - 02:54 Written by deadone on 08.08.2014 at 02:45 Make China and Rus enemies would be super strategically smart move, I wish it happens, it would make weaker both states but anyway China must win in that conflict I agree non cares about islam and civil wars there not west bot they (unless Iz do it) ... all shit if stats outside Euro borders non cares, same time if it does not bomb the camp ....
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Monolithic ♠♠♠ |
08.08.2014 - 19:40
The media and some individuals involved have done a pretty job spreading the shitstorm of hatred towards Israeli people. Hate the usual discrimination I see after every serious situation.
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Kennoth |
27.08.2014 - 20:21
Hamas does a lot of disservice to Palestinian people, but I don't see how can anyone support Israelis in this conflict. If you compare the kill-count between the two belligerents, it's pretty easy to conclude who is using excessive show of force here. I guess anyone can be cocky when they're getting funds and support from US.
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Kennoth |
29.08.2014 - 20:52 Written by deadone on 29.08.2014 at 08:13 Wow, really? So Holocaust wasn't an excessive force then? Written by deadone on 29.08.2014 at 08:13 War is a pointless bloodbath where poor people kill in the name of rich people. There is nothing glorifying about it, and people who romanticize it clearly haven't witnessed the horrors of war. And that's exactly my point, Hamas lacks capability to hurt Israel. Pretty much every rocket they fire gets destroyed by Iron Dome. So how exactly would more Israelis die in this scenario, if only proportionate force was used? Kill counts are irrelevant? Those "counts" were people once. Civilians. Children. More than just a statistic, so no, there is nothing irrelevant about it. Thousand dead Palestinians on 50 dead Israelis is not right and it never will be. Written by deadone on 29.08.2014 at 08:13 There's a big difference between these examples. Operation Storm was massive, but resulted in a very few casualties for both sides, considering the scale of it. Besides, Croatia was merely trying to gain control of its territory, while Palestine didn't invade Israeli land. Written by deadone on 29.08.2014 at 08:13 West is too scared for military action? Ha. Hardly. The main problem of Western societies is hypocrisy and arrogance. It's okay to violate basic human rights time and again, as long as you're a crucial ally of the West (see Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Israel). If you're not, well only then comes the moral outrage and eventual military intervention. It's also perfectly okay to help topple democratically elected leaders because they lean towards socialism and install right-wing sociopaths in their place (like the entirety of South America during the Cold War). And then they wash their hands clean and preach about moral superiority. I could go on an on about this.
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