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Valentin B
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  31.05.2011 at 12:33
In many places across Europe it is evident that, after feeling frustrated by economic decline and/or a perceived social and cultural decay due to the influx of immigrants, far-right parties and politics are on the rise.

In Germany the NDP(National German Party) spreads nationalism in a society and country which should know better. A poster was found in one of their headquarters saying "White. Not just the color of a team shirt! For a true national team!"

In Switzerland, minarets are banned from construction as a measure to curb Islamic cultural influence, in a country which is itself founded on neutrality.

In France, hundreds of Rroma from Bulgaria and Romania were rounded up and sent back home with hundreds of euros compensation in a desperate attempt to get more support from the old conservatives and xenophobes. The exact same deportees vowed to return to France the minute they set foot in the airport, as they were unlawfully expelled from there. The French government even fails at failing.

In Serbia, there were protests for the release of Ratko Mladic, a well-documented mass murderer who systematically tried to eliminate Bosniaks in the 1990s.

In Romania, a small party called Noua Dreapta (The New Right) promotes the ideas of the 1930s Legionary government of Romania, probably the most typical right-wing conservative party ever to exist around here: church and state unity, family values, and of course xenophobia, militarism, anti-homosexuality, anti-semitism and general ultra-nationalism. ND members are notorious for picking fights with everyone and protesting against the Gay Parade.

Obviously in the pursuit of a socially stable Europe there have been great steps achieved, but there is always someone out there who in pursuit of more power, awakens obsolete and morally rotten sentiments like xenophobia, nationalist pride, or ultra-conservatism. The NDP has called itself a "Party of grandparents and grandchildren", seeing as only old people who don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new developments in the demographics of europe would vote for such assholes.

Any other thoughts? developments in your own areas? in the words of the mighty Accept, i think it's time we "beat the bastards down" and expose these motherfuckers.
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  31.05.2011 at 13:52
You forgot:
¤In Swe Sveriges Democraten get 6% and are in parlament, 1th time nazie party get here(hitoricaly after WWII only left winged rule)
New projects to social garanties , old days imigrants studied 10 years more and get payed, now they want only 1 or 2 years, dont get languadge no money and I think its wright
¤Denmark even are in Shengen re start border controll
¤Russian neo nazie gangs attacks and huge activities
¤East Germany this idea and whole east Europe has been live many years

Serbia think its diferent because they feel like he's a hero who butchered ppl, still blame nato and america when they boming Beograd ... quasten why nato never bombed other Europian country ...but croats are same, they guy what was his name who was give to cort for serbian butchery, many croats gathered in Zagreb and suported him, he's same butchjer who shood go to cort

I dont feel anything only some swedish nazie i net site banners in busstation , but they have bene taken off, personaloy I dont feel anyything

Right winged, I dobt they have many followers, 6% is way to week to do something even in Russia its 50% so, depends of ecomicic, if there be same econiomic how before so called crisis, those forces be weeker, so all is in our hands
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  31.05.2011 at 13:57
This is so true in America. Coincidentally, the rise of the far right began when a black man was elected president. And some of the stuff they're trying to accomplish is crazy as shit. You ever heard of the Ryan Plan, where they intend to cut Medicare and a whole bunch of other social programs?
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  31.05.2011 at 14:03
Written by BreadGod on 31.05.2011 at 13:57

This is so true in America. Coincidentally, the rise of the far right began when a black man was elected president. And some of the stuff they're trying to accomplish is crazy as shit. You ever heard of the Ryan Plan, where they intend to cut Medicare and a whole bunch of other social programs?


Well KKK, Militia troops , beck hundred years ago
WAR Skins, Hammer Skins , Nazie Lowriders existed in 80's maybe earlyer so , but America was multicultural, since we remeber, but Europe only start at 60's
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  31.05.2011 at 14:06
I guess this kinds of views are rooted deep over here, and what scares me most, mostly among people my age. I guess historical frustration of the nation led to the glorification of a regime which was far from "independent" as it was called. I feel that there is no healthy patriotism in Croatia today, because its feeds upon a idea of a failed sellout "country", which is ( wrongly ) perceived as the fulfillment of centuries of national ideas of the Croatian people. Combine that with the traumas of the fall of communism and the events that followed, and you get a large ultra-nationalist mass. Luckily, that mass currently does not make a stand on the political scene, by voting for one of the ultra-nationalist parties ( mainly the ones formed by the division of the HSP-Croatian party of rights ). Parties, that on their websites claim to uphold traditional values ( patriotism, faith, family values ), but in fact propose ultra-nationalistic, almost "aryan croatian" view.
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  31.05.2011 at 14:14
Written by Guest on 31.05.2011 at 14:06

I guess this kinds of views are rooted deep over here, and what scares me most, mostly among people my age. I guess historical frustration of the nation led to the glorification of a regime which was far from "independent" as it was called. I feel that there is no healthy patriotism in Croatia today, because its feeds upon a idea of a failed sellout "country", which is ( wrongly ) perceived as the fulfillment of centuries of national ideas of the Croatian people. Combine that with the traumas of the fall of communism and the events that followed, and you get a large ultra-nationalist mass. Luckily, that mass currently does not make a stand on the political scene, by voting for one of the ultra-nationalist parties ( mainly the ones formed by the division of the HSP-Croatian party of rights ). Parties, that on their websites claim to uphold traditional values ( patriotism, faith, family values ), but in fact propose ultra-nationalistic, almost "aryan croatian" view.


All this doesnt work patriotism, faith, family values whatever donest work, time will come metal be banned, long hair to so any extreme left n wright wing is werry dengerose, nazie thinker wear suit, use skins to attack, who goe sto jail
Well I hope there wont be Arab nations be free how we are now, we be like Egyp or Lybia months ago whit an regime after 6 years

My nationalism I dont care about it Europe is one, all is one and all those extemlist bullshit doesnt work, IMO secret sercives shood open job interwiew sections and follow more, because its dangerose those theoris , better take out leader jow how suffer leither
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  31.05.2011 at 14:17
Written by Bad English on 31.05.2011 at 13:52

many croats gathered in Zagreb and suported him, he's same butchjer who shood go to cort


You probably mean A. Gotovina. True, that verdict is used to flame far-right ideas, but what rest of the world doesn't understand is that a very large number of people in Croatia consider the verdict, in its current form, as a attack on the legitimacy of the modern Croatian nation. The protests mostly come because of that, not xenophobic views ( but some use them as an excuse to express such views.).
Tormentor666

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  31.05.2011 at 14:45
In Spain we have a rise of the far right aswell. The best example is in Badalona, a town near Barcelona, when a racist bastard won the local election for the City Council with a very aggressive campaign. It is a very strange case, because this idiot belongs to PP, nowadays the most voted party in Spain, which happens to be neo-liberal conservatives but it has some far right factions aswell that are not condemned by the national direction of the party, which is said to be more moderate. In Catalonia the situation is especially bad, cause, apart from this story, they have a party (PxC) that are calling themselves as "xenophobic" and got to enter into some Councils and they were about to enter even into the Parliament.

This is something that always rise up in periods of crisis. And I think it is the best button to show that democracy definitely doesn't work.
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  31.05.2011 at 14:53
Written by Tormentor666 on 31.05.2011 at 14:45


This is something that always rise up in periods of crisis. And I think it is the best button to show that democracy definitely doesn't work.


Where is justic when nazie guy stabbed one anti fa when he was surrendet by 30 reds and try kill him, self denece and he get 29 years in jaik it was in a metro

extremists use those peruods, thats where EU and USA make big mistace , they shood know about cdrisis, think hwo deal whit it , Im not econimist but there was way avoid it , what is better for rich fat politican spend 1000 for dinner insteed 10 000 and save the world or see how extremists rice .
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Tormentor666

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  31.05.2011 at 15:33
Written by Bad English on 31.05.2011 at 14:53

Written by Tormentor666 on 31.05.2011 at 14:45


This is something that always rise up in periods of crisis. And I think it is the best button to show that democracy definitely doesn't work.


Where is justic when nazie guy stabbed one anti fa when he was surrendet by 30 reds and try kill him, self denece and he get 29 years in jaik it was in a metro

extremists use those peruods, thats where EU and USA make big mistace , they shood know about cdrisis, think hwo deal whit it , Im not econimist but there was way avoid it , what is better for rich fat politican spend 1000 for dinner insteed 10 000 and save the world or see how extremists rice .


It was in Madrid, and videos show it was in no way in self defense. The guy entered into the underground and made some comment about the tee the nazi guy was wearing, in that moment, he stabbed him with no apparent reason.

And of course they know about the crisis, and they know it very well. Capitalism is a cyclic system, and their policies drive everything into crisis, and periods of crisis are completely predictible, why don't they avoided? I think they just can't, it would be "interventionism". They just let the banks speculate, not giving credit, not letting the cash flow, etc. And, meanwhile, they're living a fucking nice life spending tons of money.

I always say the same thing. It is not the immigrants who are robbing the country, but politicians and banks.
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  31.05.2011 at 22:28
Written by Valentin B on 31.05.2011 at 12:33

only old people who don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new developments in the demographics of europe would vote for such assholes.

Old people also have the life experience and knowledge, thus it'd be not wise to say they "don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new ways"...
New ways might not always be the best ways...

Oh yes, I am against far right... any kind of "far-anything" is usually bad... and I am against people who don't understand other cultures or who do awful things to others just because of their ethnicity...
On the other hand, if the "melting pot" of people is being created forcefully by making native inhabitants give up their way of life to make more room for the masses of immigrants, some of whom abuse the political correctness idea, then this can be viewed as a threat to all the cultures.
A good friend of mine was forced to leave his native country because of war (I am ashamed that our army is also there aiding the big occupants burn and pillage)... I was very sad to see how many times he had trouble finding an apartment because of his nationality. After all the same dudes who leave them homeless in their homeland and cause the situation where innocent people have to escape to other countries. There the same dudes preach about "political correctness and multiculturalism" and at the same time they make propaganda which depicts the victims as terrorist which makes it almost impossible for them to start a new life abroad and also impossible for the people of the "host country" to accept them...

The difference of cultures and races is something that makes the world a rich and wonderful place. But if someone mashes them all up under the flag of some "multiculturalism" then this will crush all the cultures and all the races. This would be very tragic if in the future the world would only consist of half-African (because all (Cauc)asians have disappeared) English-speaking people who all adhere to the same consumer-society with only bits and pieces of the previous cultures preserved and where most people would be genderless and bi-sexual (because being strictly heterosexual and non interracial in relationships is discriminating). If this is the "new development of demographics" then this is leading to a catastrophe.

Everything should be moderate... far-right ideology is not... but neither is the fundamentalist "multiculturalism" and "political correctness"...
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  31.05.2011 at 22:47
Written by Ernis on 31.05.2011 at 22:28

Written by Valentin B on 31.05.2011 at 12:33

only old people who don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new developments in the demographics of europe would vote for such assholes.

Old people also have the life experience and knowledge, thus it'd be not wise to say they "don't have the will or mental capacity to comprehend new ways"...
New ways might not always be the best ways...

Oh yes, I am against far right... any kind of "far-anything" is usually bad... and I am against people who don't understand other cultures or who do awful things to others just because of their ethnicity...


Far Left to

Me to, as far I have expierience her ein Luleå most ''rassistical'' ppl come from Lv, Rus and other east Europe, dont want mention contries
I study at SFI and there many ppl, China, Tai, Egypt, Iran, Irak, some east Europe , Bangladesh, Ghana, Eritreya , Chile, in my groop, but other are more and msot neharive comments in hallway I herad in russian of corse from russian speeking and latvians so ..... so far in my studies all my friends are from Iran, Tai, China and not white contries and I love , nice ppl , I simply hate those rasistical idiots who hate because of diferent nationaliotry , skin color, culture whatever ,
Many white ppl are stupid and idiots ....

... and yes I fell in love whit an Egyptioan girlw ho likes metal
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  31.05.2011 at 23:03
Even in my home country its happening too (british nationalist party), dont get me wrong im supporting this but i can see why its happening for example a few months ago in england people were doing a minute of silence for the memory of world war 1 heroes during this one minute some muslims with long beards started chanting death to the infidels death to all Christians, come on people who does that! another reason some people are now finding that some fast food chains dont serve pork what the fuck! now in the uk u r not allowed to wear a cross cause u might offend the muslims!! even some schools ban Christmas trees for the same reason? and finally 2 days ago a teacher was nearly beaten to death because he was teaching a girl and her relatives came and nearly killed him the reason behind this is how can a man teach a girl!!! what the fuck in my own country i cant celebrate chrismas wear a cross eat pork and all thsi for people who live of our taxes they come here dont work just breed and take money and tell us how to live and threaten people all the time man recently im living with my dad cause of his work man even over here we are free to do what we want and we live by there rules and respect them i mean why come to the uk if u dont like it and think everyone are infidels fucking hypocrites! but not all people are like that at the same time most r hard working and good. anyway dont think im supporting these kinds of parties but i do understand why they are on the rise
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  31.05.2011 at 23:03
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Iran, Tai, China and not white contries and I love , nice ppl

I consider the people from Iran, Thailand and China white... well yes, I admit, Thais are more tanned but otherwise we're all (Cauc)asian...
I know people who are half-Asian or one quarter Asian and this doesn't show anywhere, they're white... the half-Asians usually have oriental eyes but otherwise they have light complexion...

I could be from Iran myself... Some Iranians can be blonder than an Estonian...
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  17.09.2012 at 18:08
Looking how radicam muslims riot in Belgie, I have quasten why our gourement let those ppl in, deport them or banned enter
Good Suisse, France ban muslim women wear burqa , funny is normal ppl cant enter in EU and USA but such can, and when we judge them we are rasists

Same time Im secretly reading latvian NS forum .... those popl are idiots there, they wanna ban alcohol. cigretes, easy life style, if far right etxremists will come its be deep shit no sex, booze, smokes, metal etc, argument they fight aganst Europe islamisation is stupid, because thay laws and theoris about pure life is sislam bullshit turn around
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  13.10.2012 at 19:46
Golden dan ... most extreme and openly racistic party
well when far wright will come we all wil live in extreme dictatorship and religuse dogmatic ppl will rule
neo nazies will destroy gays, lesbians,m aoso metalhead, will destor a lot of what is modern day life based on !!! more n more I see what kind morrons they are

I dont wanna sacfrifice my frieedom what cam exist in Europe when such morons will rule
women will sit home and make food, sex be banned, porno,. metal , all modern day things what make a victrory aganst religuse dogmas, all scienece be banned, medicine, abortion, etc ,

this is what you wnat ..... make all wright think about hat will you do in enxt elections,.... socialdemocrats was not bad 10 years ago it was good in Europe
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/55484/World/International/Tension-in-Greece-over-blasphemous-Jesus-Christ-pl.aspx
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  13.10.2012 at 20:09
Written by Bad English on 31.05.2011 at 13:52

You forgot:
¤In Swe Sveriges Democraten get 6% and are in parlament, 1th time nazie party get here(hitoricaly after WWII only left winged rule)

I'm surprised it actually took that long before Sverigedemokraterna became a part of swedish politics. It's sad, but so far there hasn't been much of a problem. I guess there will be though, I bet they will get even more votes in the next election in two years from now.
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  13.10.2012 at 20:16
Politics are so infuriating, but sadly they are one of my biggest passions.

I have been apart of many protests and was even in the occupy movement for a while. The current state of America is just abysmal right now. Both candidates are completely bought and sold already...it's really pick your poison. I can't handle Romney as a pres...and I think Biden is more aggressive so I will go with Obama again, but his promises of change are pointless due to a lobby controlled congress that is way to special interest oriented to actually accomplish anything to better my country.

There are some serious back woods far right movements right now that are just down right scary. In the state next to me, there is a HUGE group of extreme Nazi white supremacists who spew their hate and propaganda EVERYWHERE! Bricks with hate flyers going through people's windows, "minorities" cars being vandalized. Their main target is Mexicans and believe it or not Slavic decent right now because they feel that these two groups are taking over American jobs (many of these immigrants are willing to work under the table in my part of the country for quarters an hour). The worse part is they have a small group of politicians who are supporting them on the DL. They would never go public about it, but there is plenty of evidence that shows them cooperating. There is a picture of a high profile state Representative visiting their compound...

Then there are the fear mongers in the deep south...telling everyone that the end is coming. Be it a religious thing or a government controlled thing. They are telling people to stock up on bullets and guns. As many as you can get your hands on (because bullets will feed your family obviously). I worked with a guy who was in such bad debt and poverty that he couldn't afford to feed his family most weeks...but her RELIGIOUSLY purchased at least 100 rounds of ammo a week. The warehouse he was working at shut down...he is angry...very angry. The joke was that if it ever closed he'd come in guns a blazing...now that joke isn't so funny anymore. We have so many people in this country armed right now that it is just a ticking time bomb before a massacre happens. If the economy doesn't turn, people are going to start shooting in the poverty ravished neighborhoods.

Don't even get me started on the Tea Partiers ideas on retirement, social security, medicare/medicaid, the federal reserve (the most fucked up thing my country could of ever done), healthcare, and government assisted programs...fuck it's only 10am and I am already for a drink.
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  13.10.2012 at 20:19
Written by Warman on 13.10.2012 at 20:09

Written by Bad English on 31.05.2011 at 13:52

You forgot:
¤In Swe Sveriges Democraten get 6% and are in parlament, 1th time nazie party get here(hitoricaly after WWII only left winged rule)

I'm surprised it actually took that long before Sverigedemokraterna became a part of swedish politics. It's sad, but so far there hasn't been much of a problem. I guess there will be though, I bet they will get even more votes in the next election in two years from now.


IMO they wil get innext one , but if there wont be dramatical changes in economy
But some way they can lil lost votes because of Braivik did what he did, IMO it lil open ppl eyes about right winged ppl extremism.

If they need fuck up lil skat, fuck up lil work places, and ppl wont wote... specely here at north, Reine promissed criat new work places, there no job in damn Norbottem

so but I dont know, Swe maybe next 20 years even how many right parties will rule wint happen such things.

I cant vote for rikstag, but I can only for Komun and that otrher(wtf it calls) .... and I dunno about what I will vote . honesly I dont know.

Denmark is worth .... close bridge n shengebn borders, by by cheep booze

PS Is it true Anders Borg want cell sythem bolaget to some privat companies and it would not eb state contyroled?
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  13.10.2012 at 20:27
Written by Bad English on 13.10.2012 at 20:19

IMO they wil get innext one , but if there wont be dramatical changes in economy
But some way they can lil lost votes because of Braivik did what he did, IMO it lil open ppl eyes about right winged ppl extremism.

If they need fuck up lil skat, fuck up lil work places, and ppl wont wote... specely here at north, Reine promissed criat new work places, there no job in damn Norbottem

so but I dont know, Swe maybe next 20 years even how many right parties will rule wint happen such things.

I cant vote for rikstag, but I can only for Komun and that otrher(wtf it calls) .... and I dunno about what I will vote . honesly I dont know.

Denmark is worth .... close bridge n shengebn borders, by by cheep booze

PS Is it true Anders Borg want cell sythem bolaget to some privat companies and it would not eb state contyroled?

Haha, I have no idea what Borg is planning when it comes to Systembolaget.
And I don't know, don't really think Breivik will kill votes for Sverigedemokraterna. Lately there's been so much coverage of immigrant related crimes. Such as that old man being assaulted by a group of very young teenagers or that mom being raped by a group of immigrants a couple of months ago. Stuff like that will make people vote for Sverigedemokraterna, sadly some individuals can change the public belief in no time. One immigrant does one bad thing, suddenly swedes think all immigrants are like that.
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  13.10.2012 at 20:39
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Haha, I have no idea what Borg is planning when it comes to Systembolaget.
And I don't know, don't really think Breivik will kill votes for Sverigedemokraterna. Lately there's been so much coverage of immigrant related crimes. Such as that old man being assaulted by a group of very young teenagers or that mom being raped by a group of immigrants a couple of months ago. Stuff like that will make people vote for Sverigedemokraterna, sadly some individuals can change the public belief in no time. One immigrant does one bad thing, suddenly swedes think all immigrants are like that.


I hope SB stays at state own and control, even prices can be better
I dont wanna see moonshine and shit wha Czech rep had weeks ago
and in that case now w ecan order any drink what they have at databse .. weird beer, weird drink, if its be private ... carlberg only LOL

Its true about immigrants , Lulöeå maybe had one rape per year , south is south but does swedes dont do crimes? Of corse do... but IU cant judge it since we have no crime and immigramts maybe only smoke weed its all, Luleå and whole nord is peaceful .... but Umeå has one cop said in some friemnd house, he want see Hells Angels in Umeå to get rid of immigrant ''gangs'' lats 5 years way to much crime
like guy wanna buy weed, he went to turkish guy, turk said, no I ahve no come after 20 min... then iranians arived, they said 1 gram cost sek 1000 and he bought was lucky , go to party and guys in party said, you buy oregano spiced not weed hahahhaha
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  29.10.2014 at 12:37
Whats going on in Hungary? Hun govement says they like Putnin's idea, now new internet taxes , what next ... more and more Hun oes away from democratical principles
And it is not 1th time when Hungary is doing something....
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  31.10.2014 at 01:18
Written by Bad English on 29.10.2014 at 12:37

Whats going on in Hungary? Hun govement says they like Putnin's idea, now new internet taxes , what next ... more and more Hun oes away from democratical principles
And it is not 1th time when Hungary is doing something....



I was reading something else that Hungary is straying away from democratic principles.

To be fair democracy has not worked as well as they hoped in a lot of Eastern Europe. Not all cultures are capable of maintaining functional democracies.

Democracy is worthless if your only choices are corrupt politicians or here in Australia where the majority of politicians have the same values and policies.

They've even started slowly dismantling democratic values in Australia - greater control of press, banning some forms of protest (including mandatory prison time for protestors), making it possible to hold people indefinitely under new terror rules, government maintaining greater secrecy over virtually everything and greater powers for spying on people.
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  03.11.2014 at 18:17
A lot of European NS extremists find refuge in the United States where they are free to promote their white power music, propaganda and so on. There are a lot of Polish "Social Clubs" that are run by predominately Polish skinheads. I have also met national socialists from Belgium and Germany.
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  03.11.2014 at 19:45
Written by Mercyful_Kate on 03.11.2014 at 18:17

A lot of European NS extremists find refuge in the United States where they are free to promote their white power music, propaganda and so on. There are a lot of Polish "Social Clubs" that are run by predominately Polish skinheads. I have also met national socialists from Belgium and Germany.


such people are everywhere and even in Europe, but there are laws how far you can promote, and same time extreme forms are forbidden even here same as there
but I have seen documentary about Ger and As nao anzies and clubs .. basically ''old bill '' don't care so much and polizei raids are just symbolic since many special forces and such polizei unites somehow are WP little bit.... same goes Otalian Polizia and Carabinieri... seems UK old bill even majority are whites are less rasistic, Scandi as well but 95% are e
whites here
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