Oslo gets bombed
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Posted by Account deleted, 22.07.2011 - 18:53
Police efforts manager at the site confirms that it revolves around a bomb. Further details about this are not yet confirmed.
Experts told Dagbladet that the hallmark of the war zone-like scene, which badly damaged high up on buildings, testify that it was probably detonated in a car.
- I think it looks like a car bomb. It looks like things I have seen elsewhere. The damage on the facade bears witness to a horrible high
pressure, and in terms of how this happened, I have no reason to believe other than that it was a car filled with explosives, said Ulriksen.
"There may be other things too, but probably a car bomb, not unlike it in Times Square that was averted," says an expert in the military to Dagbladet.
- Pressure wave is enormous. And in a place that the government quarter, with tall buildings on the sides, you get a tremendous impact - far greater than if it occurs in an open landscape, says the source in the military.
- Photos from the site shows a wreck that lies on its side, but it could not have been the car that eventually had a bomb. It will be completely torn, he adds.
Car bomb theory is also supported by a ministry employee, who stayed in the hardest-hit the building when the explosion took place, saying it probably is aseg a car bomb on the ground in Grubbegaten.
Police at the site told Dagbladet that the action seems to have been directed at oil and energy ministry.
Ståle Ulriksen says a car bomb can be built on a variety of ways, such as diesel and fertilizer as the terrorist attack in Oklahoma in 1995. A car bomb will correct "major shockwaves up," he says.
Among other things, that the facade of the tower block, which houses the Prime Minister's Office, is severely injured up the floor supports the theory that there may be a car bomb, said Ulriksen.
Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was not in the government building when the bomb went off. He is now in safety.
The buildings in a large radius around was severely injured in the explosion. It is observed broken windows as far as a mile away, after the violent explosion that could be heard far outside the city center.
More people are confirmed dead and injured. The situation is still very chaotic in the areas around terroråstedet. Dagbladet reporter Anne Marte Blindheim is built on explosion site in 17.20 o'clock.
- It's like a war zone. It does not look like something you see in Norway. The entire high-rise building and all windows are completely destroyed the entire entrance is broken. It hangs debris out of the windows. On the ground is full of trash and debris. There is blood and papers around and smashed cars. A car lies on its side, completely burned out, she says.
The case is updated.
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| X-Ray Rod Skandino staff Posts: 18274  |
Written by Uldreth on 31.07.2011 at 13:39 I personally don't see the way I wrote above as having to do anything with "vengeance", I just fail to understand why he needs a tv, electronics, the opportunity to work and such a fancy room, a waste of money.
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| Uldreth Posts: 1150 |
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Written by Uldreth on 31.07.2011 at 15:53 I would call that "rehabiliation", not punishment. We seem to have different thoughts about the subject which is fine with me since I won't expect everyone to agree with me. It's still amusing how so many people around here in Sweden agrees with the fact that the jails here are way to similar to an hotel yet nothing happens.
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| X-Ray Rod Skandino staff Posts: 18274 |
Written by Uldreth on 31.07.2011 at 15:53 Written by The Turbanator on 07.08.2011 at 18:23 It's not like I want to start a big argument about this Uldreth...But this is what I was talking about, look for yourself: Do you call that justice? Really? Do you think most of that stuff is necessary? If you do... Then we totally live in a different world from each other. That is not a prison, that looks nicer than so many schools I've seen. It's ridiculous, I can't find another word to describe that. I said it before and I will say it again.. I don't believe in torture or death penalty and I don't want a friggin dark and cold cave for the prisioners but they DO NOT deserve that.
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| ß Problem? Posts: 916  |
Hmm no wonder prison is so expensive.
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Written by Uldreth on 08.08.2011 at 02:04 There's a point you can't deny: You have to draw a line somewhere... This is not a talk about rehabilitation and punishment anymore as those discussions are subjective and pointless in the long run. All the extremes are bad and I obviously agree with you that a "medieval cell" is one of those extremes. Trust me that I'm not one of those people who seek revenge and wish those people despair (I felt the "Vengeance comment" quite insulting tbh)... But the word justice doesn't really exist in this world right now and it's confusing our society. This is in my opinion... the other extreme side of the spectrum. Believe me that I wouldn't give a damn about this subject AT ALL if all the schools and hospitals in this world were of high standards... But they aren't, some places on earth don't even have such things. It's not a matter of taking away things from convicts... This is a question of why we can't give the same to the rest of the world. I would sure as hell trade a recording studio for some food for a poor family. I highly doubt the convicts would ever care for it that much. You have to draw a line somewhere... Where would you draw that line?
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| Ragana Rawrcat Posts: 4919  |
I think this particular prison simply may not make people feel like they're sentenced to be there for something they've done. it's almost like a summer camp. the only difference is that the summer lasts longer and there are stricter rules, plus, the punishment for getting in trouble is not that bad so basically it can make you think you haven't done anything bad at all. now, how
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Written by Ragana on 08.08.2011 at 06:33 I find it interesting how there's another forum where the major opinion is the opposite. I'm treated like the bad guy atm just because I simply don't agree with the fact that there's a friggin record studio there. I wonder if that's what you should expect from a forum of indie (and kind of hipster) people... Nah, just kidding there  Here are some random comments I find kind of hilarious because they totally don't see the point I was trying to make and just go and twist my words so I'm just a guy who wants to torture people (well, the first quote in this case). Quote: Quote: Quote:
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| Ragana Rawrcat Posts: 4919 |
I'm all for recreation and education, let those people learn new things and most of them will actually take it seriously, but there always are exceptions. we can't assume everybody's the same, you know. :? p.s. someone stole my summer camp idea. ;(
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| Valentin B Iconoclast Posts: 10084  |
After a lot of consideration i agree with Mr. Doctor to an extent.. these people have done nothing but harm to society, and they sure as hell don´t deserve that kind of relative luxury. i mean, really, a recording studio? i know what they mean by trying to make the prisoner respect society and adapt to it instead of simple punishment, but i´m not sure how exactly do all these free benefits that 99% of all other people in the world don´t have, fit into this plan. i guess if someone would look at it in an extremely cynical way, it´s almost like a reward: you do some bad stuff, they then put you in this ultra-modern home and give you all these incredible benefits, which you probably had difficulties affording while in the normal society too. then again though, that´s the only part of prison life the outsiders see, so maybe there is something more to this (like for example the wardens psychological influence on inmates or whatever) in one of Michael Moore´s last documentaries they have a deleted scene with a prison in norway. they interview a warden who says that some guy killed a man with a chainsaw, and after a few years of rehabilitation the guy was cutting trees with a chainsaw and wasn´t violent anymore. it´s strange when you think about it but maybe it does work.. but i don´t think Breivik will ever be able to return to a normal life, maybe somewhere in some remote village in another part of the world, but in Norway i´m pretty sure he will be a complete outcast and probably the target of revenge/hate crimes.
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We may have fucked up Jail times and some pretty horrible laws, but at least we don't treat our criminals like royalty. I am sure that all of you have seen the prison that this fella is going to. Here are some pictures from Halden.        This makes me furious. In the US you don't even get that treatment if you did some petty crime. Such bullshit. Welcome to the US Supermax.    About 23 hours a day is spent in the bottom picture. 
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