Written by Guest on 20.11.2011 at 16:12

A solid 8 from me. I like it a lot but didn't do it for me like the previous record.

But then again The Maniacal Vale is a once in a lifetime achievement for most bands. It would have been impossible to top that one or even be equal to it, imo.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.11.2011 at 16:21


But then again The Maniacal Vale is a once in a lifetime achievement for most bands. It would have been impossible to top that one or even be equal to it, imo.

Probably true. The hype for this one was lost on me though so it's more or less just become another good album, rather than a good album by I band I love.

Written by Guest on 20.11.2011 at 16:23

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.11.2011 at 16:21


But then again The Maniacal Vale is a once in a lifetime achievement for most bands. It would have been impossible to top that one or even be equal to it, imo.

Probably true. The hype for this one was lost on me though so it's more or less just become another good album, rather than a good album by I band I love.

what hype?
It is a good album that's what everyone is saying. And a good album by a band I love. It's as good as their non-Maniacal Vale stuff imo on a par with their first four. So a solid 8 instead of a solid 9 for me.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.11.2011 at 16:27


what hype?
It is a good album that's what everyone is saying. And a good album by a band I love. It's as good as their non-Maniacal Vale stuff imo on a par with their first four. So a solid 8 instead of a solid 9 for me.

The hype that it's an Esoteric album.

Written by Guest on 20.11.2011 at 16:43

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.11.2011 at 16:27


what hype?
It is a good album that's what everyone is saying. And a good album by a band I love. It's as good as their non-Maniacal Vale stuff imo on a par with their first four. So a solid 8 instead of a solid 9 for me.

The hype that it's an Esoteric album.

aha I see, like how you hype that it's a new Blut Aus Nord album when one is about to be released

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.11.2011 at 17:03

aha I see, like how you hype that it's a new Blut Aus Nord album when one is about to be released

Haha, yes exactly like that

Written by Guest on 20.11.2011 at 17:06

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.11.2011 at 17:03

aha I see, like how you hype that it's a new Blut Aus Nord album when one is about to be released

Haha, yes exactly like that

then I agree with you that the new Esoteric was hyped when people heard it was to be released

I think it's pretty good stuff, but like on many other Esoteric albums I listen to one or two songs and then press stop button because I've had enough of it. I don't know why, maybe the overall length is discouraging, but "huge" albums have never been a problem for me; for example, when I have time, I can even listen to the whole Joanna Newsom album "Have One On Me" (over two hours of music), or some very long Steve Roach albums too. But those are other music genres, so it might be the combination of length and funeral doom that I find inaccessible.
I would give it a 7 or even an 8, since I do think it's well crafted and engrossing; but I didn't listen to it entirely.
I really, really want to love them, but turns out that they're always excessively challenging for my mind/ears.

Written by Guest on 20.11.2011 at 20:39

... I listen to one or two songs and then press stop button because I've had enough of it ... It might be the combination of length and funeral doom that I find inaccessible.

I can relate to that.

Written by Guest on 20.11.2011 at 20:39
but turns out that they're always excessively challenging for my mind/ears.

Can't blame you. Esoteric is definitely one of the toughest in the genre to get into... But once you do it sure as hell pays off.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 20.11.2011 at 23:54
Esoteric is definitely one of the toughest in the genre to get into.

Disagree. The first time I listened to them (The Pernicious Enigma) I was hooked.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.11.2011 at 23:58

Written by X-Ray Rod on 20.11.2011 at 23:54
Esoteric is definitely one of the toughest in the genre to get into.

Disagree. The first time I listened to them (The Pernicious Enigma) I was hooked.

I disagree with myself as well since the first album I heard (The Maniacal Vale) was just love at first sight. But I've heard too many people saying that it's hard to get into them so I just think we are special :3

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.11.2011 at 00:00
I disagree with myself as well since the first album I heard (The Maniacal Vale) was just love at first sight. But I've heard too many people saying that it's hard to get into them so I just think we are special :3

Honestly I thought Worship was more difficult to get into than Esoteric. I had to listen to Last Tape Before Doomsday twice.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 21.11.2011 at 00:03

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.11.2011 at 00:00
I disagree with myself as well since the first album I heard (The Maniacal Vale) was just love at first sight. But I've heard too many people saying that it's hard to get into them so I just think we are special :3

Honestly I thought Worship was more difficult to get into than Esoteric. I had to listen to Last Tape Before Doomsday twice.

Worship is wat easier than Esoteric to get into imo, even though I got into Esoteric in one listen as well. I find Worship not as extreme as Esoteric due to the beautiful melodies used (a bit like Loss and Mournful Congregation in that respect)

And wow you listened to Last Tape Before Doomsday? I didn't know you had a cassette player or even owned it
All I listened to are Dooom, Last CD Before Doomsday, and Last Vinyl Before Doomsday

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.11.2011 at 11:15

All I listened to are Dooom, Last CD Before Doomsday, and Last Vinyl Before Doomsday

All I listened to was Dooom and Last file before doomsday

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.11.2011 at 18:18

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.11.2011 at 11:15

All I listened to are Dooom, Last CD Before Doomsday, and Last Vinyl Before Doomsday

All I listened to was Dooom and Last file before doomsday

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.11.2011 at 18:18

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.11.2011 at 11:15

All I listened to are Dooom, Last CD Before Doomsday, and Last Vinyl Before Doomsday

All I listened to was Dooom and Last file before doomsday

Knowing the band they would have a Last File Before Doomsday album available if they offered it officialy on iTunes and such

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.11.2011 at 11:15
And wow you listened to Last Tape Before Doomsday?

I had a downloaded copy of the Tape before the CD.

Amazing album

Written by Troy Killjoy on 21.11.2011 at 19:54

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.11.2011 at 11:15
And wow you listened to Last Tape Before Doomsday?

I had a downloaded copy of the Tape before the CD.

That means you have Last File Before Doomsday

My first record from these guys. I like a lot.

Written by The Galactician on 01.12.2011 at 00:04
My first record from these guys. I like a lot.

This album is a beast, but since you like it a lot you should definitely check out The Maniacal Vale. And the rest of their back catalog for that matter.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.12.2011 at 00:14

Written by The Galactician on 01.12.2011 at 00:04
My first record from these guys. I like a lot.

This album is a beast, but since you like it a lot you should definitely check out The Maniacal Vale. And the rest of their back catalog for that matter.

It shall be done.

Wow... really good stuff... Maybe I should give the Maniacal Vale another spin some time soon... (I never got into XD)

Written by Ag Fox on 02.12.2011 at 16:59
Maybe I should give the Maniacal Vale another spin some time soon...

There is no "maybe" in this situation.

Written by Ag Fox on 02.12.2011 at 16:59

Wow... really good stuff... Maybe I should give the Maniacal Vale another spin some time soon... (I never got into XD)

Troy's right. There's no 'maybe' in this situation

Fine... I'll submit to peer pressure this time XD

Written by Ag Fox on 02.12.2011 at 20:19
Fine... I'll submit to peer pressure this time XD

It's a good thing I twisted your arm.

Get off me. please D:

@Troy (and everyone), is there any reason by Mournful Congregation's Book of Kings is getting all the press? They are wonderful no doubt about it but Esoteric is the king of funeral doom IMO.