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Cuca Beludo
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  11.10.2011 at 19:43
Hello, guys! I think the title says all. I searched for a while but nobody can really explain this question. I don't listen to these styles too much... I even don't like them too much.

Nothing more to say, I guess. Can you help me (explain with you own words) ?

Thanks!
Ankläger

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  12.10.2011 at 01:05
Metalcore:


Metal plus hardcore. Shouted vocals, heavy riffs and whatnot, aggression and breakdowns and such.

Nu-metal:


Metal plus new ... Heavy, usu. downtuned, dreadlocks on whiteboys, groovy riffs, sometimes rapping.
(Although Rage Against The Machine fits this, and they're apparently not nu-metal...)
Troy Killjoy
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  12.10.2011 at 01:17
Written by Ankläger on 12.10.2011 at 01:05
dreadlocks on whiteboys

That doesn't have anything to do with the music. Otherwise Amorphis would be considered nu metal.
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  12.10.2011 at 01:27
Limp Bizkit, Korn, POD, early Papa Roach, early Linkin Park, Coal Chamber. Those are all examples of Nu-metal


Metalcore: Between the Buried and Me, Burst, Converge, Shadows Fall and Protest the Hero are examples of good metalcore.

Bad metalcore... I'm sure you can figure this one out
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Mr. Off-Topic

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  12.10.2011 at 01:36
Also check out Killswitch Engage's 'Alive or Just Breathing' album - one of the progenitors of modern melodic metalcore and a damn fine album to boot, probably the best example of the style.
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Troy Killjoy
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  12.10.2011 at 02:25


That is all.
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Void Eater
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  12.10.2011 at 05:05
There's not much similarities between the two actually... Nu metal is based on simple downtuned three not groove riffs, often times hip hop styled vocals, while mainstream metalcore is primarily melodic death metal riffs, catchy pop choruses, hardcore shouts for vocals, and hardcore breakdowns.



Annoying three note groove riff with rapping vocals that has no progression of any sort? I think we have a nu metal band here.



Melodic death metal riffs, catchy clean vocal chorus, shouts during verses, breakdowns sprinkled throughout? Smells like metalcore brah. This song has much less breakdowns then typical metalcore, but it's a great album so why not.


And here is an example of metalcore that is currently trendy. The riffs are similar to the AILD song, but not as good, breakdowns are more prevelant, there's a pointless electronic section at the end, and it's just kind of gay in general. Not gay as in homosexual, gay as in lame.
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  12.10.2011 at 16:28
Written by Void Eater on 12.10.2011 at 05:05
Not gay as in homosexual, gay as in lame.


What about gay as in happy?
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brapp32

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  12.10.2011 at 16:58
Void just curious who the nu metal band and second metalcore band was. My phone won't let me watch the videos.
Troy Killjoy
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  12.10.2011 at 19:41
Written by brapp32 on 12.10.2011 at 16:58
Void just curious who the nu metal band and second metalcore band was. My phone won't let me watch the videos.

1. Coal Chamber
2. Asking Alexandria
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Troy Killjoy
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  12.10.2011 at 19:43
Written by vezzy on 12.10.2011 at 16:28
What about gay as in happy?

Don't go making up definitions.
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Guib

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  12.10.2011 at 20:21
Written by Void Eater on 12.10.2011 at 05:05

There's not much similarities between the two actually... Nu metal is based on simple downtuned three not groove riffs, often times hip hop styled vocals, while mainstream metalcore is primarily melodic death metal riffs, catchy pop choruses, hardcore shouts for vocals, and hardcore breakdowns.



Annoying three note groove riff with rapping vocals that has no progression of any sort? I think we have a nu metal band here.



Melodic death metal riffs, catchy clean vocal chorus, shouts during verses, breakdowns sprinkled throughout? Smells like metalcore brah. This song has much less breakdowns then typical metalcore, but it's a great album so why not.


And here is an example of metalcore that is currently trendy. The riffs are similar to the AILD song, but not as good, breakdowns are more prevelant, there's a pointless electronic section at the end, and it's just kind of gay in general. Not gay as in homosexual, gay as in lame.


when you said gay, you meant fag lol
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Cuca Beludo
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  12.10.2011 at 21:19
Ok, I got it all. Thanks, everybody.
Angelic Storm
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  12.10.2011 at 22:50
Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.10.2011 at 01:17

Written by Ankläger on 12.10.2011 at 01:05
dreadlocks on whiteboys

That doesn't have anything to do with the music. Otherwise Amorphis would be considered nu metal.


Yep, and so would Carcass have been.
IronAngel

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  12.10.2011 at 23:11
Written by Angelic Storm on 12.10.2011 at 22:50

Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.10.2011 at 01:17

Written by Ankläger on 12.10.2011 at 01:05
dreadlocks on whiteboys

That doesn't have anything to do with the music. Otherwise Amorphis would be considered nu metal.


Yep, and so would Carcass have been.


Invalid counter-argument is invalid. That's like saying "downtuned is not a typical characteristic of nu metal, otherwise Sunn O))) play nu metal."

While obviously the appearance of the musicians doesn't describe the music, it can describe the genre as a phenomenon. It also doesn't matter that the same trait is found elsewhere: you can describe dogs as four-legged creatures who like sausage, and that isn't invalid just becase your uncle also likes sausage but isn't a dog. I don't know if white boys with dreadlocks are statistically signifigant in nu metal, but it seems to capture the stereotype quite well. It may have been a silly generalization, but not as silly as the quoted reactions to it.
Troy Killjoy
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  13.10.2011 at 02:06
Such a silly reaction it is to argue someone else's point. Why doesn't everyone just agree with you and shut the fuck up.
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M C Vice
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  13.10.2011 at 09:53
Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.10.2011 at 02:25



That is all.

And that's the first album I ever owned.
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  13.10.2011 at 09:56
Written by M C Vice on 13.10.2011 at 09:53
And that's the first album I ever owned.

Do you swear a lot.
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M C Vice
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  13.10.2011 at 10:06
Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.10.2011 at 09:56

Written by M C Vice on 13.10.2011 at 09:53
And that's the first album I ever owned.

Do you swear a lot.

Not as much as Freddy here.
BTW, 2 songs from the album don't appear in that clip.
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Troy Killjoy
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  13.10.2011 at 10:08
Written by M C Vice on 13.10.2011 at 10:06
BTW, 2 songs from the album don't appear in that clip.

Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make the video.

Good job noticing though. I honestly can't tell the songs apart. :s
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M C Vice
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  13.10.2011 at 13:36
Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.10.2011 at 10:08

Written by M C Vice on 13.10.2011 at 10:06
BTW, 2 songs from the album don't appear in that clip.

Don't shoot the messenger, I didn't make the video.

Good job noticing though. I honestly can't tell the songs apart. :s

I know they'e missing cause they don't contain the word "fuck". Aside from Getcha Groove On and the long version of Rollin' (which have guest vocalists) I can't tell most of the snippets apart. Actually, it might be 3 missing, I don't think Boiler contains any swearing either. But once it gets past the opening of Hotdog it all starts to blur together.
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  13.10.2011 at 14:14
Written by Guib on 12.10.2011 at 20:21
when you said gay, you meant fag lol


Great, now he's on about cigarettes.
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Guib

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  13.10.2011 at 18:09
Written by vezzy on 13.10.2011 at 14:14

Written by Guib on 12.10.2011 at 20:21
when you said gay, you meant fag lol


Great, now he's on about cigarettes.


LOL I was kind of quoting South Park but whatever
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  13.10.2011 at 21:43
Written by Guib on 13.10.2011 at 18:09
LOL I was kind of quoting South Park but whatever

It's hard sometimes to reference North American TV on an international webzine.
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Guib

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  14.10.2011 at 04:39
Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.10.2011 at 21:43

Written by Guib on 13.10.2011 at 18:09
LOL I was kind of quoting South Park but whatever

It's hard sometimes to reference North American TV on an international webzine.


C'mon Troy everyone knows South Park -_-
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ThunderAxe1989
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  19.11.2011 at 03:45
How I would have answered this question....... Metalcore seems to be like a watered down version of At The Gates......plus very slight hardcore overtones......oh yeah and an "Emo-ish" sort of image.

Nu-Metal, is either like Alternative Rock on crack (oh and NO guitar solos!).......or it's really bad Rap with guitars.


lol.
SuicidalCyco
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  28.11.2011 at 20:39
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Good metalcore.



Im sorry but there is no such thing as good metalcore.
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Marcel Hubregtse
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  28.11.2011 at 20:50
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Written by SuicidalCyco on 28.11.2011 at 20:39

Good metalcore.



Im sorry but there is no such thing as good metalcore.


Strsange coming from someone who likes S.O.D. and Agnostic Front. Especially the AF albums One Voice and Cause For Alarm are great metalcore albums.
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NLthrasher

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  28.11.2011 at 20:55
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Written by SuicidalCyco on 28.11.2011 at 20:39

Good metalcore.



Im sorry but there is no such thing as good metalcore.

+1
SuicidalCyco
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  28.11.2011 at 20:57
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 28.11.2011 at 20:50

Written by SuicidalCyco on 28.11.2011 at 20:39

Good metalcore.



Im sorry but there is no such thing as good metalcore.


Strsange coming from someone who likes S.O.D. and Agnostic Front. Especially the AF albums One Voice and Cause For Alarm are great metalcore albums.


Sir thats not metalcore, im talking about the metalcore/deathcore shit, and thats obviously what everyone else is talking about as well.
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