Album of the year for me so far.

Decent and a bit better than their previous one, but nothing earth shattering. Heard it doene before but now it's got women doing it. Grey is superior.

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 19:28
Album of the year for me so far.

Really? Regardless of genre and everything? That kind of surprises me.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 30.10.2011 at 19:41

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 19:28
Album of the year for me so far.

Really? Regardless of genre and everything? That kind of surprises me.

Especially since JOOE always goes on abut how important originality is

Btw I se a totally incomplete line-up mentioned here.

This, in a crowded and saturated sludge field, is very original. Female vocal + violin driven sludge isn't excatly a dime a dozen. Grey have a far more generic sound anyway, going for that "let's be as heavy and menacing as possible" approach which is totally incompatible with SubRosa's.

And marking this down for originality Marcel? (aside from your misogyny) That makes everything you like no more than a 5 then ;]

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 19:51
Btw I se a totally incomplete line-up mentioned here.

It's an invisible band and I only added them a day or two ago. Editors haven't gotten around to it yet is all.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 30.10.2011 at 19:57

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 19:51
Btw I se a totally incomplete line-up mentioned here.

It's an invisible band and I only added them a day or two ago. Editors haven't gotten around to it yet is all.

OKay, then ignore my comment

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 19:53

This, in a crowded and saturated sludge field, is very original. Female vocal + violin driven sludge isn't excatly a dime a dozen. Grey have a far more generic sound anyway, going for that "let's be as heavy and menacing as possible" approach which is totally incompatible with SubRosa's.

And marking this down for originality Marcel? (aside from your misogyny) That makes everything you like no more than a 5 then ;]

Nope not marking it down for originality, just marking it down cause it is nothing special, not even that well performed.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:06


Nope not marking it down for originality, just marking it down cause it is nothing special, not even that well performed.

My impending staff pick will disagree with you.

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 20:09

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:06


Nope not marking it down for originality, just marking it down cause it is nothing special, not even that well performed.

My impending staff pick will disagree with you.

clear case of you needing a new pair of ears

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:12


clear case of you needing a new pair of ears

Or you needing a new brain ;] I think I'll start calling you RavenKing.

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 20:24

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:12


clear case of you needing a new pair of ears

Or you needing a new brain ;] I think I'll start calling you RavenKing.

Hey I am not a Taake or Nightbringer fanboy and you won't hear me whine how bad US thrash is and German thrash superior cause it's rawer. Plus I don't try to rewrite the past Etc etc hahahahaha

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:29


Hey I am not a Taake or Nightbringer fanboy and you won't hear me whine how bad US thrash is and German thrash superior cause it's rawer. Plus I don't try to rewrite the past Etc etc hahahahaha

Yeah but you need to embrace the future as well. And the future includes women ;]

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 20:31

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:29


Hey I am not a Taake or Nightbringer fanboy and you won't hear me whine how bad US thrash is and German thrash superior cause it's rawer. Plus I don't try to rewrite the past Etc etc hahahahaha

Yeah but you need to embrace the future as well. And the future includes women ;]

Not in metal Like Kutschurft sings: Metal Is Een Mannensport (Metal Is A Male Sport)

Btw that's not the reason for me dislikign SubRosa, I dis like them because they are just not good at all. Okay not as bad as Gallhammer. But just not good. average that's what these Mormon women are.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:33


Not in metal Like Kutschurft sings: Metal Is Een Mannensport (Metal Is A Male Sport)

Btw that's not the reason for me dislikign SubRosa, I dis like them because they are just not good at all. Okay not as bad as Gallhammer. But just not good. average that's what these Mormon women are.

Yet you gave them a 7. Your subconscious must think it's good. You should listen to your subconscious: it has better music taste than you do

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 20:35

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:33


Not in metal Like Kutschurft sings: Metal Is Een Mannensport (Metal Is A Male Sport)

Btw that's not the reason for me dislikign SubRosa, I dis like them because they are just not good at all. Okay not as bad as Gallhammer. But just not good. average that's what these Mormon women are.

Yet you gave them a 7. Your subconscious must think it's good. You should listen to your subconscious: it has better music taste than you do

a 7 is on the top end of average... anything over 7 is good I would rate it a 6.6 actually but cause that's not possible I had to settle for a 7.

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 20:31
And the future includes women ;]

The past includes women as well. Marcel's signature for instance. Jo Bench. 95% of gothic metal bands.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 30.10.2011 at 20:37

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 20:31
And the future includes women ;]

The past includes women as well. Marcel's signature for instance. Jo Bench. 95% of gothic metal bands.

At least Jo Bench doesn't sing
But then again I love Acrostichon and Thor's Hammer and both have a female vocalist.
And then again 99% of all gothic bands are crap

Yes but you can be sure that if it has a woman singing Marcel probably won't like it because of it, even when they are patently better than old-fashioned, mediocre dross like the new Loss album ;]

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 21:30

Yes but you can be sure that if it has a woman singing Marcel probably won't like it because of it, even when they are patently better than old-fashioned, mediocre dross like the new Loss album ;]

SubRosa better than Loss?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 21:34


SubRosa better than Loss?

Better, more original, has more balls (ironically). Yep, Loss is probably the worst thing Profound Lore has put out this year (apart from the that Disma album, which belongs on the same rehash pile as Loss) and SubRosa amongst it's very best.

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 21:37
Better, more original, has more balls (ironically).

Originality-wise I'd agree with SubRosa topping Loss and Disma (even though I prefer Loss). Loss is pretty typical funeral/death doom while Disma is average revivalist death metal. I haven't heard sludge done like this before although I can't say I enjoyed it.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 30.10.2011 at 21:41

Originality-wise I'd agree with SubRosa topping Loss and Disma (even though I prefer Loss). Loss is pretty typical funeral/death doom while Disma is average revivalist death metal. I haven't heard sludge done like this before although I can't say I enjoyed it.

Well that's a much more honest answer than I would expect from Marcel m'boy!

Saying that about Profound Lore though we still haven't had the new Leviathan, which I have a feeling is going to be a right turkey.

SubRosa:
1. From Profound Lore
2. !J.O.O.E.! reccomends it
3. Has violins
4. Has weird vocals
5. Has weird cover
6. Has weird song titles
=

must check out.

Written by malaikat on 30.10.2011 at 23:30

SubRosa:
1. From Profound Lore
2. !J.O.O.E.! reccomends it
3. Has violins
4. Has weird vocals
5. Has weird cover
6. Has weird song titles
=

must check out.

I like the way you think.

For anyone curious about this band (not a live song as it may seem so by the pic. Takes a bit to get going to but it's my fave song on the album):

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 21:43

Well that's a much more honest answer than I would expect from Marcel m'boy!

Proof that I'm not a Marcel program #1 (going to list them from now on): I really like this stuff.
#2 I don't mind female vocals are all.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:33

Not in metal Like Kutschurft sings: Metal Is Een Mannensport (Metal Is A Male Sport)

Her voice ain't that much different from the girl from Reino Ermitaño, last tiem I checked you liked them so the vocals shouldn't be a problem

Written by X-Ray Rod on 30.10.2011 at 23:57

Written by Guest on 30.10.2011 at 21:43

Well that's a much more honest answer than I would expect from Marcel m'boy!

Proof that I'm not a Marcel program #1 (going to list them from now on): I really like this stuff.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 30.10.2011 at 20:33

Not in metal Like Kutschurft sings: Metal Is Een Mannensport (Metal Is A Male Sport)

Her voice ain't that much different from the girl from Reino Ermitaño, last tiem I checked you liked them so the vocals shouldn't be a problem

where the hell did I say I think the vocals suck here?
I find the music and voals nothing special. And tbh although I enjoy the vocals in Reino they are the weakest aprt of that band.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 31.10.2011 at 00:00

where the hell did I say I think the vocals suck here?

Oh, sorry, I kind of got that vibe from your comments. Brujas del Mar was a good record but yeah... Sometime her vocals were a bit annoying to me, their third cd had better vocals from what I remember though!
Ok, that was a bit offtopic

Written by X-Ray Rod on 30.10.2011 at 23:57


Proof that I'm not a Marcel program #1 (going to list them from now on): I really like this stuff.
#2 I don't mind female vocals are all.

Ok you get a +1 here then You should do an Agent Smith and break free of the program and kick Marcel's ass.

For me this band is all about the interplay between the vocals, asymmetric violin and the underlying guitar which lays more of a groundwork than being in-you-face like most sludge bands.