A lot of todays gothic metal and other bands mention as their influences golden classic gothic and dark bands. Let us decide which is in our opinion the most influential...

Most influencal I would say Cure because that band was also popular in non goths world, was more on radio pop stations, mtv, other places , many music videos has been shown on not thematic hours so The Cure , TSOM and FOTN together whit Joy Divison follow others is closely gothic stuff together whit Roz Williams, Cristian dead, Diary Of Dreams and other gothic bands but The Cure stands out

Written by Bad English on 20.01.2012 at 00:10

Most influencal I would say Curte because that band was also popular in non goths world, was more on radio pop stations, mtv, other places , many music videos has been shown on not thematic hours so The Cure , TSOM and FOTN together whit Joy Divison follow others is closely gothic stuff together whit Roz Williams, Cristian dead, Diary Of Dreams and other gothic bands but The Cure stands out

"Curte" ? never heard of them.

Written by Guest on 20.01.2012 at 00:13

Written by Bad English on 20.01.2012 at 00:10

Most influencal I would say Curte because that band was also popular in non goths world, was more on radio pop stations, mtv, other places , many music videos has been shown on not thematic hours so The Cure , TSOM and FOTN together whit Joy Divison follow others is closely gothic stuff together whit Roz Williams, Cristian dead, Diary Of Dreams and other gothic bands but The Cure stands out

"Curte" ? never heard of them.

curte

Written by Bad English on 20.01.2012 at 00:15

Written by Guest on 20.01.2012 at 00:13

Written by Bad English on 20.01.2012 at 00:10

Most influencal I would say Curte because that band was also popular in non goths world, was more on radio pop stations, mtv, other places , many music videos has been shown on not thematic hours so The Cure , TSOM and FOTN together whit Joy Divison follow others is closely gothic stuff together whit Roz Williams, Cristian dead, Diary Of Dreams and other gothic bands but The Cure stands out

"Curte" ? never heard of them.

curte

I know what you meant, if only you edited your messages.

I'd probably go Bauhaus, between their launch point in the movement, their body of work, and the impact the members had in later projects (Tones On Tail, Love and Rockets, Peter Murphy's solo stuff...). Sisters and FIeld are, of course, significant, but i think the cries of "Bellllll aaaaaahhhhhh'sssss Deadddd.... ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh Belllllllllllll ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" capture the spirit of the thing... the spirit that sparked others.

i don't even think a chunk of those suggestions are really goth. the cure fans might be gothsters, but their music? they have a couple depressing albums scattered throughout a couple decades of music... Joy Division is depressing stuff, and like the cure's shift to darker music (Faith, Pornography) was short lived before going all electro happy Let's Go To Bed/The Walk - and they were there at the origin, but i wouldn't call them particularly Goth.

if anything, they are "adjacent" bands - kinda like a lot of the non-metal bands that metal fans dig.

Written by BitterCOld on 20.01.2012 at 00:21

I'd probably go Bauhaus, between their launch point in the movement, their body of work, and the impact the members had in later projects (Tones On Tail, Love and Rockets, Peter Murphy's solo stuff...). Sisters and FIeld are, of course, significant, but i think the cries of "Bellllll aaaaaahhhhhh'sssss Deadddd.... ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh Belllllllllllll ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!" capture the spirit of the thing... the spirit that sparked others.

i don't even think a chunk of those suggestions are really goth. the cure fans might be gothsters, but their music? they have a couple depressing albums scattered throughout a couple decades of music... Joy Division is depressing stuff, and like the cure's shift to darker music (Faith, Pornography) was short lived before going all electro happy Let's Go To Bed/The Walk - and they were there at the origin, but i wouldn't call them particularly Goth.

if anything, they are "adjacent" bands - kinda like a lot of the non-metal bands that metal fans dig.

actualy i never heard bauhasu music I know band exist I think I have heard some covers but I aso dont know
Love Like Blood, Garden Of Delight, The Mission I never heard those names, but bauhas name is know for me , but Im not a goth only band I know before MS days was The Cure and Sisters, maybe Fields and Joy Division but it was like Cure was on radio, vh1 classic every week , others maybe once per month

Wasn't Love Like Blood a crappy gothic band in the 90s?

Written by Guest on 20.01.2012 at 00:38

Wasn't Love Like Blood a crappy gothic band in the 90s?

Love Like Blood is pretty solid gothic rock band with (in my opinion) only one really boring album named Exposure released in 1995. Other stuff is surelly among the classics of this genre.

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I don't even think a chunk of those suggestions are really goth. the cure fans might be gothsters, but their music? they have a couple depressing albums scattered throughout a couple decades of music... Joy Division is depressing stuff, and like the cure's shift to darker music (Faith, Pornography) was short lived before going all electro happy Let's Go To Bed/The Walk - and they were there at the origin, but i wouldn't call them particularly Goth.

if anything, they are "adjacent" bands - kinda like a lot of the non-metal bands that metal fans dig.

I understand what you mean,... but all of suggested bands have at least one record (for example Dead Can Dance) which is essential for this genre and the later development of it. Only Love Like Blood and maybe Garden Of Delight are throughout really gothic rock.

How about Siouxie And The Banshees? Although I'd probably vote for The Cure.

Written by M C Vice on 21.01.2012 at 10:23

How about Siouxie And The Banshees?

Post-punk, unless my Genre Nazism is a bit off.

Written by Slayer666 on 21.01.2012 at 11:42

Written by M C Vice on 21.01.2012 at 10:23

How about Siouxie And The Banshees?

Post-punk, unless my Genre Nazism is a bit off.

They also had an impact on the early goth scene, although they are mainly known as a punk/post punk band (Siouxie was a member of the Bromley contingent and Sid Vicious was their original drummer).

I wish I could have chosen The Sisters of Mercy AND Bauhaus. (I chose The Sisters of Mercy.) These bands (at least for me) defined the goth sound and have influenced or inspired many bands that have come since.

Written by M C Vice on 21.01.2012 at 12:01

Written by Slayer666 on 21.01.2012 at 11:42

Written by M C Vice on 21.01.2012 at 10:23

How about Siouxie And The Banshees?

Post-punk, unless my Genre Nazism is a bit off.

They also had an impact on the early goth scene, although they are mainly known as a punk/post punk band (Siouxie was a member of the Bromley contingent and Sid Vicious was their original drummer).

That's true, but if I had put Siouxie on the poll than I could put a lot of early post punk bands on it, because a lot of them had a big impact on this kind of music. I'm only sorry for Christian Death who are also among the originators of the genre...

And maybe Cocteau Twins, not really a gothic rock, but a big influence for many bands...

I should send a link of this thread to my goth friend so he could play bus driver.

Written by BitterCOld on 10.02.2012 at 08:13

to my goth friend

/little off topic

Does your friend looks like this( I mean in schooling days)

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 10.02.2012 at 18:07

Written by BitterCOld on 10.02.2012 at 08:13

to my goth friend

/little off topic

Does your friend looks like this( I mean in schooling days)

nope. looked normal, outside perhaps weekends out.

Written by BitterCOld on 10.02.2012 at 18:22

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 10.02.2012 at 18:07

Written by BitterCOld on 10.02.2012 at 08:13

to my goth friend

/little off topic

Does your friend looks like this( I mean in schooling days)

nope. looked normal, outside perhaps weekends out.

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Written by Boxcar Willy on 10.02.2012 at 21:28

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Congratulations!
I'm honoured that it was on my topic!

I hate topics like this, no offense. What band was the most influential is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of empirical study.

A lot of old music that's remembered today wasn't in fact all that big in its own time. Ten years is enough to twist the truth.

That said, my gut feeling says Bauhaus. I don't know the history and scene that well, but simply looking at chronology, cultural references and popularity, they seem to have been pretty important.

I love Siouxsie. I think her gothicism was more a matter of image though, at least their early albums aren't very goth. Don't know how they evolved later.

The Cure had more influence on other kinds of music I think. Joy Division were indeed revolutionary, I could vote for them too. (I think post-punk and lots of goth rock falls under the same umbrella.) Granted, their cult has more to do with their performance and the legend of Ian Curtis. Dead Can Dance started post-punk and went darkwave, both comfortably associated with goth but still not in the mainstream of the genre I think.

But yeah: probably between Bauhaus and Joy Division. And seeing the poll results proves the point of my first paragraph. >_>

On another note, I think Nico has been pretty forgotten and neglected. But comparing her to many modern gothic-tinged female artists, she's so far ahead of her time it's dizzying. I mean, she did something like this in 1970:

For metal I choose Sisters Of Mercy, but for rock Joy Division, but wouldn't call them goth.