Feminists are actually just women who wished that they were men but dont have the balls to get a sex change. Ha! i found that pretty funny actually.

Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 17:43
Well, I guess your feminist sister need some education, because maybe one in ten that I run across speaks of the think that you speak, and that is the minority, not the majority. Even the so called "equal" feminists do not want equality, they want for males to stop being males in order for them to achieve calm. And I do not know if you noticed an interesting trend is that there are two factions, one that wants to de-man men, and the other that goes for masculinity, and in the process becomes a butch dike because no one wants to deal with an individual that is borderline nuts. They keep ranting bout Patriarchy, how extremely bad it is, how it is horrible for a woman to stay at home and take care of the kids, even if it is her choice. I even heard comments that prostitution is more honorable that being a housewife, so something really screwed up is going on here. And honestly, in some respects, the females have more rights than males. In a fight, law sides with the female, in a divorce, the female gets the house/kids, there are more college grants for females than for males, there is maternity leave...I mean I can go for a while. And while I really don't care, it pisses me off when I run across people who keep bitching about equality, but they already have more than most. On one level the feminist movement was about equality, maybe, but it is not right now, nor will it be. I hope you can see that, but then again you are in the UK, and the ones in the USA are a special breed.

They are not my "sisters" thank you! lol I am aware that there are a fringe minority within the feminist movement who "become" lesbians for "the cause". These are also the women who regard all sex between a man and a woman as "rape" on the part of the man. These women not only demean feminism, but also lesbians who have no choice in their sexuality. The women you are reffering to not only see men as inferior, but they also dislike women who they see as "upholding the patriarchy" by willingly falling into female gender stereotypes. There is nothing dishonourable about being a housewife, and I also feel that these "feminists" ideologies are no better than the partriarchy they are seeking to dismantle.

I certainly wouldn't argue that there are aspects of life where men are discriminated against more than females. And for me, any pro-female discrimination actually flies in the face of the true feminist message. To me, any discrimination based on someone's sex or gender is wrong. Feminism needs to exist because women still are disproportionately discriminated against in comparison with men. But that doesn't mean that men don't suffer any discrimination because of their sex, and I think any rational person would not disagree with that. I still dispute that feminism in general is not about equality, it is simply given a bad name by a fringe minority who are very loud, visible, and obnoxious. There are far more women who deride the man-hating brand of "feminism" than those who subscribe to it.

Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 17:43
And I will repeat again, females and males, will/cannot ever be completely equal. By law, maybe, but with everything else, no. Females have the piping to breed children, males to fertilize, and unless females change their sex, or males change theirs, it will not happen. And also, women will be regarded as weaker sex, because physically you are not built for heavy work. I mean, while you could work hard/heavy work, go to the military, you would have to get masculine traits to achieve that, but if that is what you want, then go for it, I can just say that it is not needed. If/when you find a man who loves you and respects you, nothing will matter in the end, so just be yourself. But like I said, they don't want that. The feminist movement did not become a solution, it became a problem that is destroying family units, relationships and males/females around the world. Because there is no middle ground, you either take everything we ask, and accept to be psychologically castrated or we will give you hell. The thing that fascinates me, are the part time feminists, the women that are married, and while they actually enjoy the role of a mother and the keeper of a home, get together with other feminists and rant/complain about the very things they accepted.

So I don't know. I think there should be room for negotiation, not ultimatums.

I think you are making the mistake of equating acknowledging the difference between the sexes, with inequality. Those who want equality for women do not want women to be treated "as men", simply that we are not treated as being inferior to men. Men and women are different on a purely biological level, and I think anyone who denies that reality is frankly deluded. However, many traits of "masculinity" and "femininity" are cultural stereotypes, rather than biological realities. I think this is another area where men get more of a raw deal than women do. Males who display feminine traits are generally derided far more than women who display masculine traits. A woman usually has to be hyper-masculine before she will start receiving negative treatment due to that. Males who show even faint traces of femininity are usually treated very badly, especially by other males. But in a way, this is just another example of how the feminine is viewed in general society as being inferior to masculinity. Feminine men are seen as downgrading themselves to femininity, whereas women who are more masculine are seen as upgrading themselves.

As for the housewife thing, as I said, there is no dishonour in it all. On the contrary, I see it as a very honourable thing. However, if a woman has no desire to be a housewife, there is no dishonour in that either. And that is my stance, and what I think is the true feminist stance. That all women should have the freedom to be what they want to be. Like I said before, those "feminists" who deride women for wanting to be housewives, or who naturally subscribe to more traditional, stereotypical depictions of womanhood are trying to oppress women just as much as men have historically done in the past. Saying that being a housewife is "dishonourable" is just as bad as those men who think that all women should be housewives.

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.05.2013 at 10:08

They are not my "sisters" thank you! lol I am aware that there are a fringe minority within the feminist movement who "become" lesbians for "the cause". These are also the women who regard all sex between a man and a woman as "rape" on the part of the man. These women not only demean feminism, but also lesbians who have no choice in their sexuality. The women you are reffering to not only see men as inferior, but they also dislike women who they see as "upholding the patriarchy" by willingly falling into female gender stereotypes. There is nothing dishonourable about being a housewife, and I also feel that these "feminists" ideologies are no better than the partriarchy they are seeking to dismantle.

I certainly wouldn't argue that there are aspects of life where men are discriminated against more than females. And for me, any pro-female discrimination actually flies in the face of the true feminist message. To me, any discrimination based on someone's sex or gender is wrong. Feminism needs to exist because women still are disproportionately discriminated against in comparison with men. But that doesn't mean that men don't suffer any discrimination because of their sex, and I think any rational person would not disagree with that. I still dispute that feminism in general is not about equality, it is simply given a bad name by a fringe minority who are very loud, visible, and obnoxious. There are far more women who deride the man-hating brand of "feminism" than those who subscribe to it.

I think you are making the mistake of equating acknowledging the difference between the sexes, with inequality. Those who want equality for women do not want women to be treated "as men", simply that we are not treated as being inferior to men. Men and women are different on a purely biological level, and I think anyone who denies that reality is frankly deluded. However, many traits of "masculinity" and "femininity" are cultural stereotypes, rather than biological realities. I think this is another area where men get more of a raw deal than women do. Males who display feminine traits are generally derided far more than women who display masculine traits. A woman usually has to be hyper-masculine before she will start receiving negative treatment due to that. Males who show even faint traces of femininity are usually treated very badly, especially by other males. But in a way, this is just another example of how the feminine is viewed in general society as being inferior to masculinity. Feminine men are seen as downgrading themselves to femininity, whereas women who are more masculine are seen as upgrading themselves.

As for the housewife thing, as I said, there is dishonour in it all. On the contrary, I see it as a very honourable thing. However, if a woman has no desire to be a housewife, there is no dishonour in that either. And that is my stance, and what I think is the true feminist stance. That all women should have the freedom to be what they want to be. Like I said before, those "feminists" who deride women for wanting to be housewives, or who naturally subscribe to more traditional, stereotypical depictions of womanhood are trying to oppress women just as much as men have historically done in the past. Saying that being a housewife is "dishonourable" is just as bad as those men who think that all women should be housewives.

We need more females with this mindset, it's the only way to get to a solution.

Written by Bulletdodger on 16.05.2013 at 11:21

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.05.2013 at 10:08

They are not my "sisters" thank you! lol I am aware that there are a fringe minority within the feminist movement who "become" lesbians for "the cause". These are also the women who regard all sex between a man and a woman as "rape" on the part of the man. These women not only demean feminism, but also lesbians who have no choice in their sexuality. The women you are reffering to not only see men as inferior, but they also dislike women who they see as "upholding the patriarchy" by willingly falling into female gender stereotypes. There is nothing dishonourable about being a housewife, and I also feel that these "feminists" ideologies are no better than the partriarchy they are seeking to dismantle.

I certainly wouldn't argue that there are aspects of life where men are discriminated against more than females. And for me, any pro-female discrimination actually flies in the face of the true feminist message. To me, any discrimination based on someone's sex or gender is wrong. Feminism needs to exist because women still are disproportionately discriminated against in comparison with men. But that doesn't mean that men don't suffer any discrimination because of their sex, and I think any rational person would not disagree with that. I still dispute that feminism in general is not about equality, it is simply given a bad name by a fringe minority who are very loud, visible, and obnoxious. There are far more women who deride the man-hating brand of "feminism" than those who subscribe to it.

I think you are making the mistake of equating acknowledging the difference between the sexes, with inequality. Those who want equality for women do not want women to be treated "as men", simply that we are not treated as being inferior to men. Men and women are different on a purely biological level, and I think anyone who denies that reality is frankly deluded. However, many traits of "masculinity" and "femininity" are cultural stereotypes, rather than biological realities. I think this is another area where men get more of a raw deal than women do. Males who display feminine traits are generally derided far more than women who display masculine traits. A woman usually has to be hyper-masculine before she will start receiving negative treatment due to that. Males who show even faint traces of femininity are usually treated very badly, especially by other males. But in a way, this is just another example of how the feminine is viewed in general society as being inferior to masculinity. Feminine men are seen as downgrading themselves to femininity, whereas women who are more masculine are seen as upgrading themselves.

As for the housewife thing, as I said, there is dishonour in it all. On the contrary, I see it as a very honourable thing. However, if a woman has no desire to be a housewife, there is no dishonour in that either. And that is my stance, and what I think is the true feminist stance. That all women should have the freedom to be what they want to be. Like I said before, those "feminists" who deride women for wanting to be housewives, or who naturally subscribe to more traditional, stereotypical depictions of womanhood are trying to oppress women just as much as men have historically done in the past. Saying that being a housewife is "dishonourable" is just as bad as those men who think that all women should be housewives.

We need more females with this mindset, it's the only way to get to a solution.

Agreed, females as well as males.

Angelic was very wise right there...

Holy shit, Angel. Talk abt Tl;dr right above me....

Written by Aseliot on 15.05.2013 at 20:08

Feminists are actually just women who wished that they were men but dont have the balls to get a sex change. Ha! i found that pretty funny actually.

I actually find your opinion super hilarious , women naturally don't have balls, you know ? and take this

Not in the mood for reading the posts here, but the above post and image was hilarious

Written by angel. on 14.10.2013 at 14:48

so true.

Written by angel. on 14.10.2013 at 14:48

Written by Aseliot on 15.05.2013 at 20:08

Feminists are actually just women who wished that they were men but dont have the balls to get a sex change. Ha! i found that pretty funny actually.

I actually find your opinion super hilarious , women naturally don't have balls, you know ? and take this

you cant grow a vagine, you can make it whit fingers or (you know) deeper

True but same time its idiotism , feminism are idiotism , in it extreme form, same like all thinks in extreme

Woman nowadays in Europe get freedom, tehy can be welders, truck drivers, buss drivers (my way women, there is one, she drives betetr then men), there techiqally are no diferences between women and men wrights at western world, (well maybe in porn movies where women get less payed then men do for same job )
There are no needs to be extreme, ok rest of world like Russia, arab workld, muslim word, maybe latin america and asia yes there we need feminism, but stoping women wrights, well even chatolicism is aganst it
feminism in future can be like why we women need to have a child, we dont need it and so on, some cases it can be aganst nature law, (personally I like copples who has no children, since world problem is unployment, no aparmemnts where to live and overpopulation) but same times I think prooganda , we need childred is rastic and nazistic 14/88

But I know some feminists who are pissed of whit all, why they need make a food (nobody ask them to do, they start it) and such thinks even for them selfs, men will nit be slave and extrem,e feminism will bring more single women and more rise of prostitiution

Written by Bad English on 15.10.2013 at 12:58


and extrem,e feminism will bring more single women and more rise of prostitiution

I don't agree at all , and I don't know how to explain it, main reason for appearance of prostitution was men needs and then when they started to pay women for that, it became a job. Besides the fact some says that still some women enjoy it to choose prostitution as a job which I really doubt, the rise of prostitution is not because single women population is getting bigger, actually male customers are getting bigger who willing to pay to these prostitutes too.
Feminism is not about doing the same job as men do, exploitation of women is not over, it changed to other forms which are less visible but more harmful. Yeah in some parts of world the extreme acts against women are over but there are other issues, abortions for example, the way women has being advertised in medias and such...
and all I want to say that feminism is just about respect and equality for both men and women, as much as women suffer in a society, men suffer double, if women in a society are quite in a good situation so the whole society is free of harm.
And no way ! Feminism doesn't encourage women to stay single, it's just something about wisdom Kinda I'm kidding but it has some truth, women became more aware of their own needs, now they know how to live on their own, some centuries ago, marriage was kind of an exploitation of women, it had no good side mainly for women, and they didn't have no equal rights within this contract, and somehow it was a way for feeding them, for not staying with their families anymore. Anyway they may choose to be single nowadays, but that doesn't mean they're going to be prostitutes, they will surely have partners and their owns jobs and also lives. You know that's independency.

Well if women will keep nagging why they need do basic thinks like wash, go to work, make food (I talking about genaraly family modern europian model, where both do those thinks) and all time nagging, men will lefts uch kind a women, they will be left alone and there will be less copples, and there are many easy women what will use advantige,

There are many forms of femiism, and if women demands respect same time disrepect men it will go bad, and same if men demands respect and will not respect women ... same shit both need respect each other at same level

Abortion is good if you dont wanna kid, only religion bands it and some ethics what is based of religuse branwash

Merriadge in restardet countries still are same, 10 years old girl was givven as wife for 30 cammels or sheaps such shit happens, and europe was same shit hole at midle ages and aritocrat always was 1th night wrights whit new wife so .... only after 50's women wrights start becaaim equal and only last 20 years when ppl are free from brainwahs good thinks start to work

Written by Bad English on 15.10.2013 at 12:58

...there techiqally are no diferences between women and men wrights at western world, (well maybe in porn movies where women get less payed then men do for same job )

well, I have no idea about this topic but just wanted to say that this statement is apparently false. I read somewhere that male porn stars are not paid as much as female ones. This fact was also supported in a document movie I saw about porn industry a while ago

Yeah, isn't pornography one of the few professions where women are paid more than men?

Anyway, let's get back to laughing at that Betty White pic.

Quote:

Hilarious.

Feminism is not just about letting women do work that is traditionally thought to be "men's work". It's about advocating for protection of a woman's right to her life, liberty and happiness. If she chooses to be a truck driver, she should be paid the same wage as other drivers of her skill level regardless of their sex. If she chooses to be a housewife, she shouldn't have to endure abuse or marital rape from her husband (which, by the way, happens to a lot more women than we may be aware). Every woman has a right to live her life without being sold, abused, harassed or otherwise exploited because her sex is perceived as physically weaker. Society, including women, has to be aware of women's rights and issues.

Written by Guib on 10.10.2013 at 02:50

Angelic was very wise right there...

Thanks. Not sure about being wise though... common sense maybe.

Written by Azarath on 15.10.2013 at 20:48

Yeah, isn't pornography one of the few professions where women are paid more than men?

I have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were true. However, the vast majority of women don't want to be involved in the porn industry, so only a fringe minority of women are being paid more in comparison with men. I'm unsure of the state of the rest of the Western world, but in the UK were I live, women are still being paid less than men for doing the same job. On average, women are paid 19% less for doing the same job as men. It's facts like these that show there is still a need for feminism even in the modern western world today.

Oh, and Betty White is awesome! I love the Golden Girls! lol

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2013 at 18:24

It's facts like these that show there is still a need for feminism even in the modern western world today.

I'm not sure if the whole post was directed at me, or if it was more of a general observation, but... I do not disagree with you. In fact, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote in your previous post in this thread. It's just common sense really.

Written by Azarath on 16.10.2013 at 22:49
I'm not sure if the whole post was directed at me, or if it was more of a general observation, but... I do not disagree with you. In fact, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote in your previous post in this thread. It's just common sense really.

No, it wasn't. Only the first sentence in my post was directed at you. lol The rest of the post was a general observation. My answer to your question was just a good starting place from which to make that point.

Written by Mercyful_Kate on 15.10.2013 at 23:20

Feminism is not just about letting women do work that is traditionally thought to be "men's work". It's about advocating for protection of a woman's right to her life, liberty and happiness. If she chooses to be a truck driver, she should be paid the same wage as other drivers of her skill level regardless of their sex. If she chooses to be a housewife, she shouldn't have to endure abuse or marital rape from her husband (which, by the way, happens to a lot more women than we may be aware). Every woman has a right to live her life without being sold, abused, harassed or otherwise exploited because her sex is perceived as physically weaker. Society, including women, has to be aware of women's rights and issues.

I am not a women but in Swe IMO incomes are equal, (age, aducation, expierience etc) labor uniors are strong (was but naztionalist govermnet can fuck all up) Scandinavia are place where women are discrimnate less
I agree whit it but same wrights has men, like elegal immigrants from Mexico who go to USA pay big money to elegal transporters and in end ends up at slavery ...
But I have no respect to women what let men abuse them , men hit her, cops came, auch I felt ... next time same shit , jar whit jam felt on my head, in those cases cooperate whit old bill, get destriction and be free,
I am 100% aganst abuse and enslave anybody

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2013 at 23:17

No, it wasn't. Only the first sentence in my post was directed at you. lol The rest of the post was a general observation. My answer to your question was just a good starting place from which to make that point.

Well OK then. Mine was more of a rhetorical question in the first place.

Written by Bad English on 17.10.2013 at 19:07

jar whit jam felt on my head

Bad English's posts can sometimes be... confusing, but I have no idea what the hell that was about.

Written by Azarath on 17.10.2013 at 20:22

Written by Angelic Storm on 16.10.2013 at 23:17

No, it wasn't. Only the first sentence in my post was directed at you. lol The rest of the post was a general observation. My answer to your question was just a good starting place from which to make that point.

Well OK then. Mine was more of a rhetorical question in the first place.

Written by Bad English on 17.10.2013 at 19:07

jar whit jam felt on my head

Bad English's posts can sometimes be... confusing, but I have no idea what the hell that was about.

he said "jar with jam fell on my head"

Havnt you heard about women who complains men abuse me, when cops come I felth or make up any stories to protect alcoholical husbend?
90% old bill cant open case , no avidance, no complains, IMO it was at 2008 when Spanish goverment make new law, menw ho abuse women if there is other whitness even naibour who heard cant arrets men and bring him to jail whit out women complaining

Feminism (or a kind of critical reassessment of gender norms, anyway) is a necessary part of any mature world view.

But I've always been confused about the claim that women get paid less for the same jobs. Is that really true? I've always assumed it's rather that women earn less overall or in a given field, on average. But that's mostly because they tend to land jobs (either by their own preference, culturally determined as that is, or by preferential treatment of men in the application process) that simply have lower wages. Women earn less than men on average, even within the same field, because they tend to occupy lower positions.

Not that that isn't a problem, too. But at least in Finland, it's not really even possible to be paid less for the same job. Everyone has the same terms on their contract and wages are calculated quite mechanically. The only difference could be in some private sector jobs, usually either small businesses or high positions in really big ones, where you can negotiate your own contract. But jobs like that are a minority. As far as I know, you sure as hell get paid the exact same wage for the same hours as a bus driver, whether you're male, female or transgender. Given that they all sign the same contract, I don't see how it could be any different.

Once Islam dominates the world, there will be no Feminism then, so we can sleep easy And start investing in either coffins or bed sheets

Written by IronAngel on 20.10.2013 at 00:03

But at least in Finland, it's not really even possible to be paid less for the same job. Everyone has the same terms on their contract and wages are calculated quite mechanically. ... As far as I know, you sure as hell get paid the exact same wage for the same hours as a bus driver, whether you're male, female or transgender. Given that they all sign the same contract, I don't see how it could be any different.

same here.

What I for one don't understand is that women tennis players get the same amount of prize money as male tennis players at the four grand slam tournaments. Women play best of three matches there and men play best of five matches. So, men have to work harder for the same amount of prize mopney. Which imo is totally weird.
I do understand women and men tennis players being paid the same at other tournaments because there both have to play best of three matches.

Written by Rasputin on 20.10.2013 at 21:50

Once Islam dominates the world, there will be no Feminism then, so we can sleep easy And start investing in either coffins or bed sheets

it will never happen, there are far wright extremisn in the world now, and it never will happen, ppl will vote for any parthies what will try stop islam comming in and deportation
we all heard about 2 french students what were deported so
besides islam is not so powerfull how China is, and black Afrika

I think islam will fall after 200 years, since in many sialm states are many atheists, who likes women, beer and metal, many here even dont care about go to mosques and I belive many in Iran, N Africa , Egypt dont acre about islam , only leaders keep on power whit terror,

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.10.2013 at 17:54

Written by IronAngel on 20.10.2013 at 00:03

But at least in Finland, it's not really even possible to be paid less for the same job. Everyone has the same terms on their contract and wages are calculated quite mechanically. ... As far as I know, you sure as hell get paid the exact same wage for the same hours as a bus driver, whether you're male, female or transgender. Given that they all sign the same contract, I don't see how it could be any different.

same here.

What I for one don't understand is that women tennis players get the same amount of prize money as male tennis players at the four grand slam tournaments. Women play best of three matches there and men play best of five matches. So, men have to work harder for the same amount of prize mopney. Which imo is totally weird.
I do understand women and men tennis players being paid the same at other tournaments because there both have to play best of three matches.

well there are some places in world that pay women less than men because of some sorta of reasons which is like women don't run a family, or like not trusting them in their job positions, for example I think most companies prefer to employ male engineers, somehow they don't trust a female engineer as much as they trust a male one, so as they justify it lack of qualities,they would pay women less than men

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.10.2013 at 17:54
same here.

What I for one don't understand is that women tennis players get the same amount of prize money as male tennis players at the four grand slam tournaments. Women play best of three matches there and men play best of five matches. So, men have to work harder for the same amount of prize mopney. Which imo is totally weird.
I do understand women and men tennis players being paid the same at other tournaments because there both have to play best of three matches.

I can only speak for the UK were I live, and there have been several reports stating that despite there being an "equal pay act" in this country, there are still a lot of women being paid less for doing the exactly same job as men...

About the tennis thing, I agree with you 100%. For a lot of years, female players were complaining about getting less money at certain grand slam tournaments than men, but I always agreed with them being paid less because they play best of three, as opposed to best of five for the men. I'm all for female players being paid the same as the males in grand slams, but ONLY when they start playing best of 5 sets, the same as the men. Equality has to be a two-way thing, or it's not real equality at all.

Written by Bad English on 21.10.2013 at 19:37

Written by Rasputin on 20.10.2013 at 21:50

Once Islam dominates the world, there will be no Feminism then, so we can sleep easy And start investing in either coffins or bed sheets

it will never happen, there are far wright extremisn in the world now, and it never will happen, ppl will vote for any parthies what will try stop islam comming in and deportation
we all heard about 2 french students what were deported so
besides islam is not so powerfull how China is, and black Afrika

I think islam will fall after 200 years, since in many sialm states are many atheists, who likes women, beer and metal, many here even dont care about go to mosques and I belive many in Iran, N Africa , Egypt dont acre about islam , only leaders keep on power whit terror,

Well France is overrun, Norway is getting there, Netherlands are in the same boat, England is starting, Spain is starting, Sweden is getting there and about the rest I do not know. I do not see us wining this fight. Islam already won, we are just dumb not to see it. They deport 2, 20 more come in. EU will fall

Maybe a little bit offtopic, but I have to settle this:
Rasputin, you are really seeing ghosts or something. Only a few percent of the Dutch population is Muslim. Right-wing politicians are blowing things completely out of proportion. And if there are so little Muslims in the Netherlands, then it can't really be much more in France, proportionally. (According to wikipedia it's just 4%). There is no "fight". Besides, look at all the protests going on in the Middle East.
I think the Islam is dying a very slow death, just like Catholicism. Bad English is right; China is much, much more powerful. It's culture much more than anything that influences people, not religion.