Troy Killjoy perfunctionist
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And that's why it comes off as incredibly elitist.
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@gent_-_orange
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So it is something other than the actual music then? If that's the case I am not on board because the only thing that should be judged is the music, Not some sort of Subjectively defined spirit the music might possess.
I feel sorry for a lot of the US black metal musicians who have their work put down that way purely because they are not from Europe.
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Vasil de Shumen
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Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.04.2012 at 18:34
... Not some sort of Subjectively defined spirit the music might possess.
My friend, metal music has always had a special Spirit. This is not something subjective. A true metal fan unmistakably recognize this Spirit. Am I right ... ?
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@gent_-_orange
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Written by Vasil de Shumen on 07.04.2012 at 20:11
Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.04.2012 at 18:34
... Not some sort of Subjectively defined spirit the music might possess.
My friend, metal music has always had a special Spirit. This is not something subjective. A true metal fan unmistakably recognize this Spirit. Am I right ... ?
Maybe , But I disagree with you if you think the American Black Metal band's don't have the spirit that many of the European ones do, I just think its a bit unfair to criticise the US bands for that, When their contributions to Black Metal are very relevant nowadays. But we may just have to agree to disagree.
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Vasil de Shumen
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Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.04.2012 at 20:56
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 07.04.2012 at 20:11
Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.04.2012 at 18:34
... Not some sort of Subjectively defined spirit the music might possess.
My friend, metal music has always had a special Spirit. This is not something subjective. A true metal fan unmistakably recognize this Spirit. Am I right ... ?
Maybe , But I disagree with you if you think the American Black Metal band's don't have the spirit that many of the European ones do, I just think its a bit unfair to criticise the US bands for that, When their contributions to Black Metal are very relevant nowadays. But we may just have to agree to disagree.
I respect all sincere metal musicians. But let they be authentic.
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@gent_-_orange
Posts: 905 From: UK |
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 07.04.2012 at 21:29
I respect all sincere metal musicians. But let they be authentic.
So do I
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theFIST
Posts: 1060 From: Austria |
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 07.04.2012 at 09:05
Written by theFIST on 05.04.2012 at 18:43
And maybe Az I Dahak by Black Funeral also qualifies, but i"m not sure how avant garde it is
This is ambient black metal ... but American. In my opinion, the genuine black metal is Scandinavian
some of their works are somewhat ambient, that one not really
also, "genuine" black metal is by definition excluded from avant garde lists
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Vasil de Shumen
Posts: 336 From: Bulgaria |
Written by theFIST on 08.04.2012 at 17:39
"genuine" black metal is by definition excluded from avant garde lists
correct statement
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Vasil de Shumen
Posts: 336 From: Bulgaria |
Have I missed any great metal masterpiece ....... ?
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Cynic Metalhead Paisa Vich Nasha
Posts: 6791 From: India |
Top 200 Metal list is also featured on MS, it's just that you just shuffled the bands positions. So in terms of excitement? to be honest this list gonna be very boring. on the other hand, guys out here won't be too intrigued about "200 master list bor" cause all this stuff has already happened. let the gates should be open for the new bands or hunting of new talent.
but pat on the back for your efforts towards this list.
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Vasil de Shumen
Posts: 336 From: Bulgaria |
" ... let the gates should be open for the new bands or hunting of new talent.
but pat on the back for your efforts towards this list. "
I respect all young metal musicians.
The new bands are interesting and virtuoso musicians play . But ? somehow they aren't persuasive. The immediacy and the naturalness of 80s and 90s are gone There are too many influences and quotations.
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist
Posts: 21306 From: Canada |
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 22.04.2012 at 22:48 The new bands are interesting and virtuoso musicians play . But ? somehow they aren't persuasive. The immediacy and the naturalness of 80s and 90s are gone There are too many influences and quotations.
Maybe in terms of revivalism and old band rehashing an old sound, but there are so many new bands nowadays - and even new genres - so while you feel like the "naturalness" of the 80s/90s is gone, contemporary metal is in no way weakening.
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Vasil de Shumen
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 23.04.2012 at 03:15
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 22.04.2012 at 22:48 The new bands are interesting and virtuoso musicians play . But ? somehow they aren't persuasive. The immediacy and the naturalness of 80s and 90s are gone There are too many influences and quotations.
Maybe in terms of revivalism and old band rehashing an old sound, but there are so many new bands nowadays - and even new genres - so while you feel like the "naturalness" of the 80s/90s is gone, contemporary metal is in no way weakening.
and again - I respect all new bands
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The HISTORY OF METAL MUSIC ( in my opinion) :
1. The Beginning ( 1969 - 1974 )
2. Pre-Classical Years ( 1975 - 1979 )
3. Classical Years - GOLDEN Age ( 1980 - 1990 )
4. Experimental Years - SILVER Age ( 1991 - 1996 )
5. Pre-Decadent Years ( 1997 - 2006 )
6. Decadent Years ( 2007 ----- now ----->
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist
Posts: 21306 From: Canada |
It must really suck to judge thousands of hours' worth of music so negatively based solely on the fact of what year it was released...
Oh well, to each their own.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino
Posts: 18268 From: Sweden |
Written by Troy Killjoy on 23.04.2012 at 20:16
It must really suck to judge thousands of hours' worth of music so negatively based solely on the fact of what year it was released...
Oh well, to each their own.
I felt the same, which is why I probably won't bother to even recommend any "masterpieces" considering who they belong to some tag called "decadent" years. LOL.
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Vasil de Shumen
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 23.04.2012 at 21:11
I felt the same, which is why I probably won't bother to even recommend any "masterpieces" considering who they belong to some tag called "decadent" years. LOL.
The decadence of metal music has many aspects, but mostly :
1. In the new millennium fresh ideas are scarce, many of the new metal musicians often are "inspired" from the old originals.
2. The excessive use of digital technology destroys the music of many new bands. The recordings sound sterile and unnatural.
and again - I respect all new ( young ) metal musicians !!!
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Vasil de Shumen
Posts: 336 From: Bulgaria |
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 22.04.2012 at 20:43
Top 200 Metal list is also featured on MS, it's just that you re shuffled the bands positions...
Not true, my friend The MS Top 200 includes only 64 of these (my list) albums.
My Top 200 contains several almost unknown bands : Doctor Butcher, Disincarnate, Chastain, Deathrow, Anacrusis, Mekong Delta, Watchtower.
Also solo albums of Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Tony MacAlpine.
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Cynic Metalhead Paisa Vich Nasha
Posts: 6791 From: India |
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 30.04.2012 at 08:58
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 22.04.2012 at 20:43
Top 200 Metal list is also featured on MS, it's just that you re shuffled the bands positions...
My Top 200 contains several almost unknown bands : Doctor Butcher, Disincarnate, Chastain, Deathrow, Anacrusis, Mekong Delta, Memento Mori, Watchtower.
Also solo albums of Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Tony MacAlpine.
Adding salt to the fucking tasteless dish won't change the taste of the food boi.
I really appreciate the way you introduces some of the "unknown" bands but it won't change the fact that some of the bands in your list had almost covered up by half of millions of Metalheads.
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Vasil de Shumen
Posts: 336 From: Bulgaria |
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 30.04.2012 at 20:01
Written by Vasil de Shumen on 30.04.2012 at 08:58
My Top 200 contains several almost unknown bands : Doctor Butcher, Disincarnate, Chastain, Deathrow, Anacrusis, Mekong Delta, Watchtower.
Also solo albums of Marty Friedman, Jason Becker, Tony MacAlpine.
... I really appreciate the way you introduces some of the "unknown" bands but it won't change the fact that some of the bands in your list had almost covered up by half of millions of Metalheads.
I don't understand - what is the problem that many bands of my list are known to most fans
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Cynic Metalhead Paisa Vich Nasha
Posts: 6791 From: India |
The problem is that this list is very common and boring.
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Vasil de Shumen
Posts: 336 From: Bulgaria |
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 01.05.2012 at 07:59
The problem is that this list is very common and boring.
If I wanted to be interesting, the list would have include many new and underground bands. But my purpose is to point the most valuable in the metal history - the Masterpieces. Therefore, the presence of classical groups is necessary and justified. Also - the old band's music is known art, but of such a kind that it cannot be surpassed by any later metal pieces, precisely because it isn't only form but SPIRIT. As we find it hard to part from the first spring days and pass into the season of full unfolding and ripening, so we tear ourselves almost regretfully away from this known and "boring" art, with its buds full of the coming wealth of IDEAS and forms, in order to see what ultimately became of it. In metal music, as in everything else, is not all unfolding and ripening a kind of withering, since in the full bloom we no longer have truth and reality appealing to us with that mysterious directness that is more magically eloquent than even perfection itself?
And again - my list contains and several almost unknown bands.
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Cynic Metalhead Paisa Vich Nasha
Posts: 6791 From: India |
Masterpieces aren't the only stuffs which have evolved way back and having a consequences on the new bands. What Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Sabbath, Maiden, DT, Ozzy, Opeth, DT and many more classical metal bands did have a impact on new generation of Metal bands but classifying only them and saying " precisely because it is not form but SPIRIT" is utter biased. There are loads of masterpieces new generations( including underground) bands existing and will exist that will have their own influential way of defining history. 80's scene came and went drastically so do the 90's and 00's but this is 2012 and will follow up till the World ends, bands will come and gone by leaving their precious history with the fans all over the world. Like yesterday? Motorhead and Big 4 Tomorrow? Ensiferum, Insominium, Ahab and Future? um will wait and lets see.
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Vasil de Shumen
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Written by Cynic Metalhead on 01.05.2012 at 11:04
... There are loads of masterpieces new generations( including underground) bands existing and will exist that will have their own influential way of defining history ... this is 2012 and will follow up till the World ends, bands will come and gone by leaving their precious history with the fans all over the world ... Ensiferum, Insominium, Ahab and Future? um will wait and lets see.
Time will sort finest albums. Today is always biased ?
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Cynic Metalhead Paisa Vich Nasha
Posts: 6791 From: India |
We are in today era so we have to deal with that only.
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Vasil de Shumen
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Written by Cynic Metalhead on 01.05.2012 at 15:27
We are in today era so we have to deal with that only.
We must not forget that albums from the 80s and 90s are the foundations of modern metal music - the rhythmical schemes, vocal lines, the riffs of main styles, lyrical themes, image of the musicians ... Many young fans have heard only names of the albums, but they haven't listened to these records.
If you want a good assessment of The Present, you must listen the masterpieces of The Past
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Dr. Strawberry
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It's a waste of my time to browse this list.
Certainly it's a Black Sabbath fan boy's list.
Yes, Black Sabbath is the most overrated Metal band in the universe !
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist
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Written by Dr. Strawberry on 22.03.2014 at 07:48 Yes, Black Sabbath is the most overrated Metal band in the universe !
You might not like their sound but you can't deny the influence they've had on the metal scene even now.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.03.2014 at 07:53
Written by Dr. Strawberry on 22.03.2014 at 07:48 Yes, Black Sabbath is the most overrated Metal band in the universe !
You might not like their sound but you can't deny the influence they've had on the metal scene even now.
Ozzy's vocals sound unique, no one can copy that.
A lot of people though he could not sing, it's actually a biggest overlooked, his vocals are flawless but Black Sabbath songs' composition are too simple. Today we can name it - "commercial" (which did not widely be used in the 70's - 80's).
Even nowadays none of any Judas Priest's album gives me that "cheesy feelings", so Black Sabbath can be regarded as today's Bon Jovi in the 70's and Judas Priest is still immortal.
As for the influence...they are only a copy cat, a rip-off of Coven, almost 85% similar !
Their fame came from the supports from the label - Advertisement & Publicity.
I mean They "Buy" Their Fans !
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist
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I think it's probably safer if we just agree to disagree.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.03.2014 at 16:12
I think it's probably safer if we just agree to disagree.
The best course of action when dealing with someone who thinks Bloodbath are an experimental death metal band.
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