Im stealing this thread from another forum. sorry. ive never had much of an imagination.

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Ran into this while voting, his emails were very helpful determining who not to vote for with regards to the judicial branch.

http://www.jameshartline.com/notonmywatchteam.html

He is a born again christian who used to be a druggie and a homosexual, but it's all cured now as he spends his days lashing out at the ghost's of his past. AA rhetoric saves another soul.

"James Hartline's story is one of the great testimonies to God's redeeming grace. As Calvary Chapel Pastor Rob Glickman once said of James, "He is a Lazarus. A man once dead." In 1997, two critical events occurred in James' life which set the stage for the work and ministry that he is now involved in. That year he was released from his fifth term in state prison for stealing to support a deadly drug addiction, and he was infected with the virus that causes AIDS. Up until that time, James had spent over thirty years in the homosexual lifestyle, where he was introduced to a long battle with intravenous drug use. These consuming and self-destructive behaviors led James to battle a grave mental illness while incarcerated. Being a prisoner who was locked into a prison within a prison, institution officials locked James away in the prison mental hospitals for fifteen years of his prison time."

Things James has accomplished:

The James Hartline Report Archive Of Accomplishments:

1. Helped lead the charge to bring in thousands of San Diego Christians to save the Mt. Soledad Cross from being removed in the city of San Diego.

2. Led the successful campaign in 2005 to prevent the San Diego City Council from issuing a proclamation to honor the San Diego Gay Pride Festival. This was the first time in eleven years that such a proclamation was not issued.

3. Exposed a major pedophile network operating within the San Diego Gay Pride organization, which culminated in the removal of five registered sex offenders from the group.

4. Stopped the African American gay organization Ebony Pride from using public park space where minors would have been exposed to sexual immorality in 2005.

5. Exposed the World Gay Pride event scheduled for Jerusalem. Partnering with Mission Valley Christian Fellowship, the James Hartline Report helped stop this evil event from going forward in Christianity and Israel's most holy city.

6. Led the charge to shut down six pornographic businesses in the homosexual community in San Diego, including one located directly across from an elementary school and another at a school bus stop.

7. Stopped Catholic Bishop Brom from holding a memorial service to honor the deceased owner of a gay porn-promoting business.

8. Started the influential Christian activist organization, "Not On My Watch" Team, which now trains average Christians to speak out at their local city councils.

There is hope for Reverend Haggard after all.

Great guy, i suppose that drugs did affected his brain in a right way, or he just had an illusion of Jesus from overdose, cathilic bishop got owned.

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2. Led the successful campaign in 2005 to prevent the San Diego City Council from issuing a proclamation to honor the San Diego Gay Pride Festival. This was the first time in eleven years that such a proclamation was not issued.

5. Exposed the World Gay Pride event scheduled for Jerusalem. Partnering with Mission Valley Christian Fellowship, the James Hartline Report helped stop this evil event from going forward in Christianity and Israel's most holy city.

7. Stopped Catholic Bishop Brom from holding a memorial service to honor the deceased owner of a gay porn-promoting business.

What an asshole. Great that he's repented and all, but what business is his to stop a proclamation and to stop a memorial service..or even to stop freedom of expression. Then again, if 'World Gay Pride' took place in Jerusalem, so many people would be offended that quite a few people would get killed...

Actually theres a gay parade happening here tomorrow (friday) as far as i know. Uless it has been cancelled in the past 5 hours...

Wow really, what an ass.....

"an illusion of jesus from overdose" lolol!

AIDS! Your ticket to becoming a crusader for society!

well, since there has to be a man and a woman to get married, and to have sex "legally" i understand why christians are offended by homosexuality, let alone by gay porn
about this guy, i can't care.he seems to be a mental, but come on, 30 years of being a gay and several years a druggie, he might have an idea of the dangers and the "evil" of homosexuality and general drug depravation in his community

gay sex is not illegal. what makes you think that?

christianity is supposed to preach tolerance. its supposed to be the religion of a peace loving god. KKK? homophobia? hatred for other religions? right wing christians use their religion as a disguise for fascism.

is it purely coincidence that all the "good" things that this person has done have been oppressive to homosexuals? its a good thing that he has exposed paedophiles in the gay community and arguably a good thing that he has had several pornography-producing companies shut down, but why has it all been aimed at the homosexual community?

the e-mail in the first post is clearly, and unashamedly, attempting to appeal to those that are homopobic and to attempt to demonise homosexuals to those that aren't. PRAISE JESUS!

I actually find rather pathetic this attitude of whining because catholicism (and christianism in general) is not tolerant about this kind of things... come on, major religions are obviously conservative, and if an important percent of people still don't accept homosexuality, then is totally senseless to ask organized religion to do that... come on, gays can't develop a normal civil life in the most "liberal" countries, people's mentality is just beginning to change about them in the last decades... the for the sake of what ask a conservative religion that had been around for milleniums to accept them in the lapse of 20 years or something???

It's beginning to work on my nerves all this shit, especially in "metal ambients", where one guy comes and says "one christian man did this, one priest said that", and then come hordes and hordes of people to whin against the "opressive" christianity and all that shit... come on, I would like to know if ever had existed before a major religion as tolerant as christianism is... there are specific cases of close-minded fundamentalists, but they are the exception.

1) i didn't generalise this to all christians.

2) if anything, shouldn't religious types be more tolerant?

3) why is accepting homosexuality such an issue? i don't see how it affects heterosexuals.

4) you're right, im just trying to be metal.

Written by Guest on 10.11.2006 at 17:47

come on, I would like to know if ever had existed before a major religion as tolerant as christianism is...

Dude? Christianity is a major religion because of intolerance in the first place. At the very beginning of its existence it fought with Mithraism, finally destroying it and becoming the major religion in Roman Empire. Later it progressed thanks to fighting off paganism and jewish religion. No other major religion ever showed as much intolerance.
But to answer your question: Hellenism was way more tolerant than modern Christianity. Also Buddhism.

@tommy lee:
1) you obviously focused your posts in a generalization of christianity

2) religions had never meant to be "tolerant"

3) I don't care about the acceptation of homosexuality, but other different thing is discriminatiuon because of sexual condition

4) nothing to say about that

@Southern Wind: Wow i cannot believe you defend Christianity. If they mess up they mess up! Why not pay criticism where it's due?

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 02:56

2) religions had never meant to be "tolerant"

Pretty sure that's one of the fundamental principles on which Christianity is based...

Written by Hyvaarin on 11.11.2006 at 06:26

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 02:56

2) religions had never meant to be "tolerant"

Pretty sure that's one of the fundamental principles on which Christianity is based...

whith which I didn't meant that christianity IS intolerant... I'd like you to tell me in which way do you feel the opression of christianist fundamentalism... and I mean nowadays... don't come with that cliché of "what christians had done in the past to pagans"....

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 03:13

@Southern Wind: Wow i cannot believe you defend Christianity. If they mess up they mess up! Why not pay criticism where it's due?

Why I defend christianity??? well, basically because I'm a catholic christian myself, I truly defend the bases over which christianity is built over and I also respect the culture over which western society had developed... of course there's can be criticism, but not based in particular cases like this... what Tommy Lee's first post shows is just a funny highly ridiculous story, but come on, it's just that, a funny isolated case that has NOTHING to do with a religion as a whole.

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 06:51

Written by Hyvaarin on 11.11.2006 at 06:26

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 02:56

2) religions had never meant to be "tolerant"

Pretty sure that's one of the fundamental principles on which Christianity is based...

whith which I didn't meant that christianity IS intolerant... I'd like you to tell me in which way do you feel the opression of christianist fundamentalism... and I mean nowadays... don't come with that cliché of "what christians had done in the past to pagans"....

I'm not sure I fully understood the first part of your post, sorry.

How do I feel oppressed by Christian fundamentalists? Through the way they insist on having a tantrum whenever something conflicts with their beliefs, regardless of the something's benefits, and through their idiotic condemnation of stuff like homsexuality/homosexuals.

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 02:56

1) you obviously focused your posts in a generalization of christianity

no. i did not. read my post again. i was clearly talking about cases where religion has been used as an excuse for fascist views such as the KKK or right wing christians that have chosen to be homophobic. which is wrong for 2 reasons.

1) anti-homosexual views in the bible are of questionable legitimacy. for one, the quotes that are used as examples of anti-homosexual views in the bible are not clear. they are interpreted by certain people to mean certain things and are therefore based on subjective opinions which are easily affected by bias (i.e. people trying to justify their dislike of certain types of people and demonise said people) and therefore completly worthless.

2) the teachings of the christian bible are completly irrelevant to non-christians. Or do you consider the general viewpoints of all 6 major religions? no? then why do you think non-christians give a toss about what the bible "says" (or supposedly says).

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 02:56

"come on, I would like to know if ever had existed before a major religion as tolerant as christianism is..."

"2) religions had never meant to be "tolerant" "

these 2 comments don't directly contradict each other but to argue in favour of christianity because its the most tolerant religion, but then to hide behind the fact that religion "was never meant to be tolerant" is absurd.

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 02:56

3) I don't care about the acceptation of homosexuality, but other different thing is discriminatiuon because of sexual condition

im not quite sure ive understood what you're saying here so correct me if i have misunderstood. are you arguing that theres a difference between discriminating against someone because they are gay, and not accepting homosexuality? if so, i don't agree.

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 06:57

what Tommy Lee's first post shows is just a funny highly ridiculous story, but come on, it's just that, a funny isolated case that has NOTHING to do with a religion as a whole.

again, im not generalising to all christians.

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 06:57

Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 03:13

@Southern Wind: Wow i cannot believe you defend Christianity. If they mess up they mess up! Why not pay criticism where it's due?

Why I defend christianity??? well, basically because I'm a catholic christian myself, I truly defend the bases over which christianity is built over and I also respect the culture over which western society had developed... of course there's can be criticism, but not based in particular cases like this... what Tommy Lee's first post shows is just a funny highly ridiculous story, but come on, it's just that, a funny isolated case that has NOTHING to do with a religion as a whole.

i remember when I used to be Christian, boy how difficult my life was. It's for that reason I wish you the best of luck.

But really, whether it had to do with Christianity or not isn't really the issue. It's something that can make good conversation. Like for instance, we are all Metallians, but if there were a case where some Metalhead committed murder, I'm sure that Tommy Tee would have posted that too. So basically, whetehr you're Christian or not, the incident did happen and well, the religion itself does kind of play a role in why it happened because some people take religion to extremes. Those people are called radicals.

tommy lee:

religions had never meant to be tolerant, so I wouldn't criticize a religion because it "discriminates", but on the other hand, christianism is certainly liberal overall... there's not contradiction between both points...

abour homosexuality, I confess you that I personally dislike them, I can't fight against that, I can't stand to see two men kissing in the subway, but I know that is my problem and I's certainly fight for everyone to have the same civil laws, like them or not... if you see my posts in the homosexuality thread you're see that I'm one of the most liberal about them in the forum... then, I can say from my own personal experience that is totally probable not to accept gays (something personal) and not to discriminate them...

And I don't care a fuck about what do you think about my views, just pisses me to see people feeling with the moral authority to bash against an important thing on my life based in cheap stereotypes... and if right wing christians use their religion as a disguise for fascism is not a generalization then I don't know what would be... I'm a right-winged christian and know what? I don't feel represented by that quote.

perhaps the word 'some' at the start of that sentence would have been suitable but i felt in the context it was in it was clear i wasn't referring to all christians. unless you interpreted as saying all christians support the KKK

Written by -tom- on 10.11.2006 at 17:20

... KKK? homophobia? hatred for other religions? right wing christians use their religion as a disguise for fascism.

Hey, if there is one thing very clear than that is that religion cannot be tolerant at all because all religion is based on ideas about wrong and right. That christians say that homosexuality is wrong is in this case nothing special, the antireligious and so also antichristian psychiatrist Sigmund Freud said the same, he even dares to call it a Obsessive-compulsive disorder. I am a christian, but an uncle of mine is homosexual. He is a very nice and kind uncle, but these things don't make homosexuality a good thing.
Homosexuality is in my opinion ethicly an moraly not accepteble, but the problem of homosexuals has nothing to do with the KKK. The KKK is going against the bible, while the bible, whatever interpretations someone might use, is very clear about homosexuality; it is disgusting.
No disrespect in this anyway, I myself have been adicted to pornography, so I'm not any better at al.