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Posted by on 11.11.2006 at 14:17
what do you all think about these two taboo subjects? in sweden, prostitution is illegal. i think this is wrong. i want a more liberal society. supply and demand should be put to use. people who are against prostitution always gives the argument "the girls are being used by the men". well, thats the same thing as the guy working at mc donalds is being used, coz its a shitty job with low wage. but what if the girl chooses to be a prostitute. then why is it wrong?
the same with pornography. people say "men learn to see women as objects". well, i admit that i've watched porn, but that doesnt make me look at women as objects. its still supply and demand. people are willing to expose themselves on the camera, and people are willing to pay to see the movies.

as long as no one gets hurt, it should be legal

am i right? what do you think?



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  06.12.2013 at 10:46
Written by DyingWorld on 03.12.2013 at 05:46

Well, it was fun sharpening up my debating skills without anyone getting hostile, haha! Cheers!

took me half an hour to read all your posts and I have to say, you're damn good with debates, thanks for voicing out some of my thoughts on prostitution and rules.
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  09.01.2014 at 06:32
Iceland went the swedish way, I must admit, that I kind of like that way, they could tackle it harder though.
I like that they are concentrating on the buyer instead of the prostitute, in most cases the prostitute is a victim of circumstances, mental illness or even human trafficking, it´s wrong to use the vulnerability of these persons and offer them money for sex, it´s really nothing but filthy slavery.
Even if the myth of the happy hooker is true, that's maybe just 1 of every 1000, and I highly doubt that person would be mentally well.
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  18.01.2014 at 02:16
Written by andskotinn on 09.01.2014 at 06:32

Iceland went the swedish way, I must admit, that I kind of like that way, they could tackle it harder though.
I like that they are concentrating on the buyer instead of the prostitute, in most cases the prostitute is a victim of circumstances, mental illness or even human trafficking, it´s wrong to use the vulnerability of these persons and offer them money for sex, it´s really nothing but filthy slavery.
Even if the myth of the happy hooker is true, that's maybe just 1 of every 1000, and I highly doubt that person would be mentally well.


Island is isolated, booze, drugs, guns , pussy, all illigal thinks are hard to get and besides Icelanbd's poppulation ... well its not huge so and its easier to controll
probbably hells Angels Iceland controlls all there, all you need is Bandido set up
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  21.01.2014 at 00:32
Written by andskotinn on 09.01.2014 at 06:32

Iceland went the swedish way, I must admit, that I kind of like that way, they could tackle it harder though.
I like that they are concentrating on the buyer instead of the prostitute, in most cases the prostitute is a victim of circumstances, mental illness or even human trafficking, it´s wrong to use the vulnerability of these persons and offer them money for sex, it´s really nothing but filthy slavery.


If prostitutes are victims of circumstances, mental illness and human trafficking, penalizing the buyers does not help them. Nor penalizing the own prostitutes. Governments should tackle the sources if their objective is to stop the vulnerable situations prostitutes are sometimes exposed to. A women that prostitutes herself to pay her bills will not necessarily be in a better situation if she has no clients. Neither a mentally ill prostitute or even one that does it for the "pleasure". Women victim of human trafficking will still be under the wings of organized crime.

So disuading the clients does not solve the problem.
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  21.01.2014 at 00:43
Written by Vombatus on 21.01.2014 at 00:32


If prostitutes are victims of circumstances, mental illness and human trafficking, penalizing the buyers does not help them. Nor penalizing the own prostitutes. Governments should tackle the sources if their objective is to stop the vulnerable situations prostitutes are sometimes exposed to. A women that prostitutes herself to pay her bills will not necessarily be in a better situation if she has no clients. Neither a mentally ill prostitute or even one that does it for the "pleasure". Women victim of human trafficking will still be under the wings of organized crime.

So disuading the clients does not solve the problem.

and not dissuading them does?
Vombatus
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  21.01.2014 at 01:02
Written by no one on 21.01.2014 at 00:43

and not dissuading them does?


Absolutely not. But what is the point of a public policy that does not fulfil its commitment, if not making things worse ?

As I implied in the previous post, if a government wants to end prostitution without making it explicitely illegal, I highyl doubt that giving away economic sanctions is the solution. They better consider the reasons there is an offer, and not the activity itself. If anything, putting barriers will only increase the activity of illegal sectors, which is even worse...
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  21.01.2014 at 01:22
Written by Vombatus on 21.01.2014 at 01:02


Absolutely not. But what is the point of a public policy that does not fulfil its commitment, if not making things worse ?

As I implied in the previous post, if a government wants to end prostitution without making it explicitely illegal, I highyl doubt that giving away economic sanctions is the solution. They better consider the reasons there is an offer, and not the activity itself. If anything, putting barriers will only increase the activity of illegal sectors, which is even worse...


i think if it were illegal then instead of getting arrested and put away, maybe assessed and referred to the right help would be better. I still don't think it is right for men to be able to get drunk and go and use someones body if he suddenly feels the need, it's not good for anyone on all levels.
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  28.03.2014 at 02:57
Mystique 1979 is maybe weirdest porn movie what I aver have seen .... realy hippie shit (if you were weedsmoker in the 60's 70's you will uderstand what I ment by this)
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  28.03.2014 at 04:42
Written by Bad English on 28.03.2014 at 02:57

Mystique 1979 is maybe weirdest porn movie what I aver have seen .... realy hippie shit (if you were weedsmoker in the 60's 70's you will uderstand what I ment by this)

don't think this thread is about what porn movies you have watched
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  28.03.2014 at 10:24
In Norway, prostitution is actually bocoming a problem. I think this is mainly because of the governments stupid laws. It's not illegal to sell sex in Norway, but it is illegal to buy. Prostitutes are required to pay income tax as well, something I find quite strange, based on the fact that they can not lawfully make money by doing what they do.

Being an "illegal" trade, the market will inevetably be controlled by criminals. As a result, victims of human trafficking are forced to work the streets, while some asshole sits safely in the background and collects the cash.

I think a lot of the problems with criminal involvment could be solved by legalizing the trade, and recognizing it as a profession. Give the prostitutes the same rights as every other person that works for a living. It should also be moved from the streets, to a controlled environment, like a brothel.
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  28.03.2014 at 12:42
Written by toxx on 28.03.2014 at 10:24

In Norway, prostitution is actually bocoming a problem. I think this is mainly because of the governments stupid laws. It's not illegal to sell sex in Norway, but it is illegal to buy. Prostitutes are required to pay income tax as well, something I find quite strange, based on the fact that they can not lawfully make money by doing what they do.

Being an "illegal" trade, the market will inevetably be controlled by criminals. As a result, victims of human trafficking are forced to work the streets, while some asshole sits safely in the background and collects the cash.

I think a lot of the problems with criminal involvment could be solved by legalizing the trade, and recognizing it as a profession. Give the prostitutes the same rights as every other person that works for a living. It should also be moved from the streets, to a controlled environment, like a brothel.


same shit here
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  28.03.2014 at 21:53
Written by toxx on 28.03.2014 at 10:24
In Norway, prostitution is actually bocoming a problem. I think this is mainly because of the governments stupid laws. It's not illegal to sell sex in Norway, but it is illegal to buy. Prostitutes are required to pay income tax as well, something I find quite strange, based on the fact that they can not lawfully make money by doing what they do.

Good move by the government actually. They know prohibition doesn't work so they tax the trade and pocket some spending money for the politicians, all the while appearing totally on the side of the working woman by allowing her the legal right to sell her body. It's a win-win for them really.
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  28.03.2014 at 22:07
Well like weed, sometimes i't s better with the politician fuckwits than sleazy drug dealers selling to kids and massive raids and cops knocking at your door in the morning.. as much as i hate to say it.
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  28.03.2014 at 22:30
Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.03.2014 at 21:53

Written by toxx on 28.03.2014 at 10:24
In Norway, prostitution is actually bocoming a problem. I think this is mainly because of the governments stupid laws. It's not illegal to sell sex in Norway, but it is illegal to buy. Prostitutes are required to pay income tax as well, something I find quite strange, based on the fact that they can not lawfully make money by doing what they do.

Good move by the government actually. They know prohibition doesn't work so they tax the trade and pocket some spending money for the politicians, all the while appearing totally on the side of the working woman by allowing her the legal right to sell her body. It's a win-win for them really.


In ned where its legal IMO they also pay taxes and if its legal , women be protected from pimps, angels , bandido, gremium or whatevergang controls that town and other pimps, and mafia ... I have seen what brutality in Hungary gypsy mafia use to keep women work... in west its much better.,.. same if its be legal, taxes, incomes, and women's safty

same why I am not sceptic anymore about weed legalisation , might be incomes in our budget. just I saw Ndrangheta/Mafia in Reggo Di Calabnria (Cosa Nostra wa sin Sicily, Comora in napoli area and Sacra Corona Unita in Apulia) just get 60 milions per year from drugs ... and all it goes out of taxes .... if we legalize some part of this deadly virus we can have incomes and BIG ones, besides it will weeken ceiminal oragansatins, since war aganst weed costw ay to much
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  28.03.2014 at 22:37
Written by Bad English on 28.03.2014 at 22:30


same why I am not sceptic anymore about weed legalisation , might be incomes in our budget. just I saw Ndrangheta/Mafia in Reggo Di Calabnria (Cosa Nostra wa sin Sicily, Comora in napoli area and Sacra Corona Unita in Apulia) just get 60 milions per year from drugs ... and all it goes out of taxes .... if we legalize some part of this deadly virus we can have incomes and BIG ones, besides it will weeken ceiminal oragansatins, since war aganst weed costw ay to much

yeah well look it all the money there making in colorado and washington state already, it's a no brainer really....still keeping an eye to see how this pans out though
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  28.03.2014 at 22:42
Written by no one on 28.03.2014 at 22:37

Written by Bad English on 28.03.2014 at 22:30


same why I am not sceptic anymore about weed legalisation , might be incomes in our budget. just I saw Ndrangheta/Mafia in Reggo Di Calabnria (Cosa Nostra wa sin Sicily, Comora in napoli area and Sacra Corona Unita in Apulia) just get 60 milions per year from drugs ... and all it goes out of taxes .... if we legalize some part of this deadly virus we can have incomes and BIG ones, besides it will weeken ceiminal oragansatins, since war aganst weed costw ay to much

yeah well look it all the money there making in colorado and washington state already, it's a no brainer really....still keeping an eye to see how this pans out though


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Ned had free weed and there no problems to smoke it even now its strikter rules, but non war , nothing because of drugs
In Scandi there was drug war between biker gangs , and they have military hard wear, same shit as scandi lands army, because drugs makes milliards of kroner to their incomes...week
in Stkh one guy in one day get more then a million kroner by selling cocain ....only idiots use drugs, why we cant get incomes from taxes in our economics? they will use anyway legal or illegal ... same goes for prostitition what is not a bad think, because we all have sex no metter what
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  06.04.2014 at 17:36
Pornography and Prostitution are complete seperate things that shouldnt be discussed at the same breath.
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  06.04.2014 at 19:03
Written by Pennywise on 06.04.2014 at 17:36

Pornography and Prostitution are complete seperate things that shouldnt be discussed at the same breath.

I agree. Sometimes I look at this topic but it seems the serious discussion is all about prostitution.
I never really saw anyone discussing pornography here.
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  06.04.2014 at 19:25
Written by Karlabos on 06.04.2014 at 19:03

Written by Pennywise on 06.04.2014 at 17:36

Pornography and Prostitution are complete seperate things that shouldnt be discussed at the same breath.

I agree. Sometimes I look at this topic but it seems the serious discussion is all about prostitution.
I never really saw anyone discussing pornography here.


read older posts when it was created
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Vombatus
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  06.04.2014 at 20:12
Although different, porn and prostitution have a loads of common points. No big deal in having a thread with both
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  07.04.2014 at 04:02
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  07.04.2014 at 04:07
Troy Killjoy
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  07.04.2014 at 04:10
It's not often Family Guy gets a laugh out of me, but sometimes they really know how to deliver a message.
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  07.04.2014 at 19:10
Same did beavis n butthead
theyw anted to buy whore, old bill was listenimng and pug female cop, theys ai, * we wanna hghaghaghggahha,and they were blusshed red, we wannaghhehghahahahhah''
they foild say we wanna have sex, theyw ere ashamed and cops walk away , cant find epziode
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  22.06.2014 at 19:05
Written by Guest on 11.11.2006 at 14:17

what do you all think about these two taboo subjects? in sweden, prostitution is illegal. i think this is wrong. i want a more liberal society. supply and demand should be put to use. people who are against prostitution always gives the argument "the girls are being used by the men". well, thats the same thing as the guy working at mc donalds is being used, coz its a shitty job with low wage. but what if the girl chooses to be a prostitute. then why is it wrong?
the same with pornography. people say "men learn to see women as objects". well, i admit that i've watched porn, but that doesnt make me look at women as objects. its still supply and demand. people are willing to expose themselves on the camera, and people are willing to pay to see the movies.

as long as no one gets hurt, it should be legal

am i right? what do you think?


Supply and demand is a shitty excuse for anything. There are many things which could be supplied and demanded, but should be made illegal, like pouching endangered animals. The problem is that when prostitution is legal many of the prostitutes are still forced into the business, banning prostitution might make there be more illegal prostitution, but it makes it easier to crack down on illegal prostitution and prevent human trafficking.
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  22.06.2014 at 22:14
Written by Ganondox on 22.06.2014 at 19:05


Supply and demand is a shitty excuse for anything. There are many things which could be supplied and demanded, but should be made illegal, like pouching endangered animals. The problem is that when prostitution is legal many of the prostitutes are still forced into the business, banning prostitution might make there be more illegal prostitution, but it makes it easier to crack down on illegal prostitution and prevent human trafficking.

good point

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