Written by DyingWorld on 28.11.2013 at 20:53

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Personally, I've never had to fuck a prostitute but if I did, I can't see how my wife or family would ever find out. I see it as rather insignificant and thus not worth bringing up for that reason alone.

You really think that's were there best interests are ? It basically is legal here which encourages an easy option, which encourages carrying on drug addictions as an easy option

might go in one day and see your daughter.....or your mum

I never said that's where their best interests are. What I said is the law shouldn't tell anyone what their best interests are by making certain things illegal, be it drugs or prostitution.

I wouldn't let emotion override principle if that were the case. Of course, I'd be very concerned for them if they were in a bad spot. Because they are loved ones, I would do whatever I could to help them out if they didn't want to go through with it but in the end, it is their right to do as they please with their own bodies.

so your saying, legalize drugs and prostitution ?

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Personally, I've never had to fuck a prostitute but if I did, I can't see how my wife or family would ever find out. I see it as rather insignificant and thus not worth bringing up for that reason alone.

You really think that's were there best interests are ? It basically is legal here which encourages an easy option, which encourages carrying on drug addictions as an easy option

might go in one day and see your daughter.....or your mum

I never said that's where their best interests are. What I said is the law shouldn't tell anyone what their best interests are by making certain things illegal, be it drugs or prostitution.

I wouldn't let emotion override principle if that were the case. Of course, I'd be very concerned for them if they were in a bad spot. Because they are loved ones, I would do whatever I could to help them out if they didn't want to go through with it but in the end, it is their right to do as they please with their own bodies.

so your saying, legalize drugs and prostitution ?

Absolutely. Keeping these things illegal will only breed more crime. If people were better educated about them, from an unbiased perspective, there wouldn't be this taboo element associated with drugs and prostitution. It's stupid that people can drink themselves to death but smoking cannabis or taking psilocybin is completely forbidden. Besides, what I do with my own body is my business.

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Written by DyingWorld on 28.11.2013 at 21:20


I can agree with cannabis or psilocybin drugs, but drugs like meth and herion , there would be no room for people with sexual abuse problems, all the clinics would be full up. We have legal sythetic highs that are actually stronger than the real thing here, and i tell you so many people were getting fucked up from them a person in hospital every weekend.

We can do what we want with our body's, but to help prevent fragile or just dumb people (like me) from damaging there lives they have to make some laws to make it harder to get access. I don't think i would have become an alcoholic if weren't such a sociably acceptable thing.

Written by DyingWorld on 28.11.2013 at 21:20
Absolutely. Keeping these things illegal will only breed more crime. If people were better educated about them, from an unbiased perspective, there wouldn't be this taboo element associated with drugs and prostitution. It's stupid that people can drink themselves to death but smoking cannabis or taking psilocybin is completely forbidden. Besides, what I do with my own body is my business.

The more you say in this thread the more I'm agreeing with you. I like the way you think.

Written by Guest on 28.11.2013 at 21:38

I can agree with cannabis or psilocybin drugs, but drugs like meth and herion , there would be no room for people with sexual abuse problems, all the clinics would be full up. We have legal sythetic highs that are actually stronger than the real thing here, and i tell you so many people were getting fucked up from them a person in hospital every weekend.

We can do what we want with our body's, but to help prevent fragile or just dumb people (like me) from damaging there lives they have to make some laws to make it harder to get access. I don't think i would have become an alcoholic if weren't such a sociably acceptable thing.

Portugal seems to be doing well and all drugs have been decriminalized there. In fact, ten years after decriminalization, drug abuse has been down by half. However, nothing is ever going to be perfect. Legalizing drugs will reduce crime and that would be worth it alone. Once again, a little unbiased drug education would go a long way too in diminishing the allure of harder drugs.

I understand what you're saying but I still believe that the government shouldn't be holding your hand in your decision making. We all need to take responsibility for our actions, even if we're harming ourselves.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 29.11.2013 at 00:21

Written by DyingWorld on 28.11.2013 at 21:20
Absolutely. Keeping these things illegal will only breed more crime. If people were better educated about them, from an unbiased perspective, there wouldn't be this taboo element associated with drugs and prostitution. It's stupid that people can drink themselves to death but smoking cannabis or taking psilocybin is completely forbidden. Besides, what I do with my own body is my business.

The more you say in this thread the more I'm agreeing with you. I like the way you think.

Thank you, good sir.

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The more you say in this thread the more I'm agreeing with you. I like the way you think.

yeah good input

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Portugal seems to be doing well and all drugs have been decriminalized there. In fact, ten years after decriminalization, drug abuse has been down by half. However, nothing is ever going to be perfect. Legalizing drugs will reduce crime and that would be worth it alone. Once again, a little unbiased drug education would go a long way too in diminishing the allure of harder drugs.

I understand what you're saying but I still believe that the government shouldn't be holding your hand in your decision making. We all need to take responsibility for our actions, even if we're harming ourselves.

The crime rates only drop because ya can't go around arresting people for any kind of possession (which is good for stopping young peoples access to drugs) but just like alcohol, drugs like meth will still cause the crimes that really matter, like all the crazy shit they do for money for a hit, or crazy paranoia etc etc

Though i think you may have proven me wrong with the drug laws..kind of, i don't really know Portugals background. I still think Prostitution's wrong, you may have a different outlook if you go out and get to know and fuck some whores...and maybe get a drug addiction or something

Dying World - I agree pay for sex is better then rape and yes religuse ppl are sexua conservative, I cant image hat kind a sex muslims has in saudia , but today we are free from those stupid dogmatic bounderies , getting laid pay , one night grab in the bar, well is better then some conservative morron rake and kill someone because Jesus or Devil voice told hin in the head

No One - also is wright about hurming, many dont enjoy it at all, but unless its fource sex and fource to be a prostitute its her free will, many ppl better sell drugs then do 8h wok at factory, same many wonen, its easy money but how long those girls can work? after 30 they wont be pretty anyway

PS not only men pa for sex, many cases women to

and I agree whit Troy , I agrtee whitr you its same whit drugs, legal drugs or illigal drugs, ppl will buy those , legalize weed ppl will buy, made it out of law, ppl still buy and buyers will be same

Written by Guest on 29.11.2013 at 05:53

The crime rates only drop because ya can't go around arresting people for any kind of possession (which is good for stopping young peoples access to drugs) but just like alcohol, drugs like meth will still cause the crimes that really matter, like all the crazy shit they do for money for a hit, or crazy paranoia etc etc

Though i think you may have proven me wrong with the drug laws..kind of, i don't really know Portugals background. I still think Prostitution's wrong, you may have a different outlook if you go out and get to know and fuck some whores...and maybe get a drug addiction or something

Still, my outlook on this is based solely on the principles of individual freedom. Even if I were to pick up a nasty junk habit and befriend an old prostitute, my thoughts on the legalities of it all wouldn't change. It really wouldn't matter how much I'd personally feel about these things. It may not be something I'd recommend to anyone but I'd rather not take other people's freedoms away.

Written by Bad English on 29.11.2013 at 13:51

Dying World - I agree pay for sex is better then rape and yes religuse ppl are sexua conservative, I cant image hat kind a sex muslims has in saudia , but today we are free from those stupid dogmatic bounderies , getting laid pay , one night grab in the bar, well is better then some conservative morron rake and kill someone because Jesus or Devil voice told hin in the head

I live in the heart of the bible belt so Christian fundamentalism and the conservative disposition that goes with it is still pretty big down here. I see that you live in Sweden where there's a higher percentage of atheists, and I envy you for that, but we still have a long way to go here in Georgia. Once you get away from the main cities (Atlanta and Athens), you're sure to find more of your stereotypical Southern baptists.

Written by DyingWorld on 29.11.2013 at 20:06


Still, my outlook on this is based solely on the principles of individual freedom. Even if I were to pick up a nasty junk habit and befriend an old prostitute, my thoughts on the legalities of it all wouldn't change. It really wouldn't matter how much I'd personally feel about these things. It may not be something I'd recommend to anyone but I'd rather not take other people's freedoms away.

You have to separate the freedom thing to law, the law still doesn't take away the freedom to be a prostitute, they still do it. But when it's legal it justifies it as a ok way of living and makes it ok for men to dwell in the habit of social anxiety without getting the help they really need to improve there lives.

Written by Guest on 29.11.2013 at 21:06

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Still, my outlook on this is based solely on the principles of individual freedom. Even if I were to pick up a nasty junk habit and befriend an old prostitute, my thoughts on the legalities of it all wouldn't change. It really wouldn't matter how much I'd personally feel about these things. It may not be something I'd recommend to anyone but I'd rather not take other people's freedoms away.

You have to separate the freedom thing to law, the law still doesn't take away the freedom to be a prostitute, they still do it. But when it's legal it justifies it as a ok way of living and makes it ok for men to dwell in the habit of social anxiety without getting the help they really need to improve there lives.

The law shouldn't be trying to help people with things like that. It's a slippery slope, it's as if we're trying to live up to someone else's standards. No one should be told how to live. People with social anxiety have enough to deal with anyway. A paid blowjob is probably what's going to keep them from going insane. It's not like they're going to be able to afford it all the time. I'm also sure the idea of dying alone without a loving woman by their side is more than enough motivation to conquer their own issues. Even if it isn't, the internal struggles of one individual is not the law's business and they should stay out of other people's affairs, unless someone is being physically victimized. Some people are just going to fail in life. So be it, we can't save everyone from themselves. That's what personal responsibility is for.

Georgia, I can imnage man, I dont wanna be racist but funny those ppl what klan and religuse conservatiev whites hate plays great music(I talk about black men and the blues)
In Swe maybe 10% are belivers and regular church goers, and maybe 2% of those 10 are real conservatie, all endet in 80's

Written by DyingWorld on 29.11.2013 at 21:49

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Written by DyingWorld on 29.11.2013 at 20:06


Still, my outlook on this is based solely on the principles of individual freedom. Even if I were to pick up a nasty junk habit and befriend an old prostitute, my thoughts on the legalities of it all wouldn't change. It really wouldn't matter how much I'd personally feel about these things. It may not be something I'd recommend to anyone but I'd rather not take other people's freedoms away.

You have to separate the freedom thing to law, the law still doesn't take away the freedom to be a prostitute, they still do it. But when it's legal it justifies it as a ok way of living and makes it ok for men to dwell in the habit of social anxiety without getting the help they really need to improve there lives.

The law shouldn't be trying to help people with things like that. It's a slippery slope, it's as if we're trying to live up to someone else's standards. No one should be told how to live. People with social anxiety have enough to deal with anyway. A paid blowjob is probably what's going to keep them from going insane. It's not like they're going to be able to afford it all the time. I'm also sure the idea of dying alone without a loving woman by their side is more than enough motivation to conquer their own issues. Even if it isn't, the internal struggles of one individual is not the law's business and they should stay out of other people's affairs, unless someone is being physically victimized. Some people are just going to fail in life. So be it, we can't save everyone from themselves. That's what personal responsibility is for.

Well that's what they make the law for, some people just can't take responsibility themselves and need a line not to cross to stop things from getting out of hand. A paid blow job isn't going to stop them from going insane, it will relieve them for a bit but then probably add to the self disgust and anxiety. Do you actually know anybody like this ? being able to legally get a prostitute every weekend isn't going to motivate them to sort out the issue of not having a woman by there side the rest of there lives.

Ya can't just go through life living by statistics and saying "they should just help themselves" you sound like a politician making rules for the work force but has never been out there and done it themselves.

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Written by DyingWorld on 29.11.2013 at 21:49

Written by Guest on 29.11.2013 at 21:06

Written by DyingWorld on 29.11.2013 at 20:06


Still, my outlook on this is based solely on the principles of individual freedom. Even if I were to pick up a nasty junk habit and befriend an old prostitute, my thoughts on the legalities of it all wouldn't change. It really wouldn't matter how much I'd personally feel about these things. It may not be something I'd recommend to anyone but I'd rather not take other people's freedoms away.

You have to separate the freedom thing to law, the law still doesn't take away the freedom to be a prostitute, they still do it. But when it's legal it justifies it as a ok way of living and makes it ok for men to dwell in the habit of social anxiety without getting the help they really need to improve there lives.

The law shouldn't be trying to help people with things like that. It's a slippery slope, it's as if we're trying to live up to someone else's standards. No one should be told how to live. People with social anxiety have enough to deal with anyway. A paid blowjob is probably what's going to keep them from going insane. It's not like they're going to be able to afford it all the time. I'm also sure the idea of dying alone without a loving woman by their side is more than enough motivation to conquer their own issues. Even if it isn't, the internal struggles of one individual is not the law's business and they should stay out of other people's affairs, unless someone is being physically victimized. Some people are just going to fail in life. So be it, we can't save everyone from themselves. That's what personal responsibility is for.

Well that's what they make the law for, some people just can't take responsibility themselves and need a line not to cross to stop things from getting out of hand. A paid blow job isn't going to stop them from going insane, it will relieve them for a bit but then probably add to the self disgust and anxiety. Do you actually know anybody like this ? being able to legally get a prostitute every weekend isn't going to motivate them to sort out the issue of not having a woman by there side the rest of there lives.

Ya can't just go through life living by statistics and saying "they should just help themselves" you sound like a politician making rules for the work force but has never been out there and done it themselves.

I don't see how I'm making rules for the work force. If anything, I'm saying there should be less rules. People should be given the freedom to do what they want, even if that means the freedom to fail. If some people make the wrong choices for themselves then that's too bad, but it's nothing the government should be getting in on. Once again, when you get the government to tell you how to live, it's only a slippery slope from there on. I really don't think we're going to come to an agreement here. You think there should be laws prohibiting these sort of things to protect the self esteem of all involved. I think these are issues that should be left up to the individual. Giving the government that kind of power can be very dangerous because they will start to withdraw more freedoms. Soon, everything will become a moral issue to someone, even if no one is really a victim. Someone losing their self respect over their own actions is not a crime. Murder, rape and stealing are crimes, a transaction between two consenting adults is not. Shooting heroin and od'ing as a result isn't a crime, that's just natural selection.

Written by DyingWorld on 30.11.2013 at 21:52



I don't see how I'm making rules for the work force. If anything, I'm saying there should be less rules. People should be given the freedom to do what they want, even if that means the freedom to fail. If some people make the wrong choices for themselves then that's too bad, but it's nothing the government should be getting in on. Once again, when you get the government to tell you how to live, it's only a slippery slope from there on. I really don't think we're going to come to an agreement here. You think there should be laws prohibiting these sort of things to protect the self esteem of all involved. I think these are issues that should be left up to the individual. Giving the government that kind of power can be very dangerous because they will start to withdraw more freedoms. Soon, everything will become a moral issue to someone, even if no one is really a victim. Someone losing their self respect over their own actions is not a crime. Murder, rape and stealing are crimes, a transaction between two consenting adults is not. Shooting heroin and od'ing as a result isn't a crime, that's just natural selection.

100% agreed.

Written by DyingWorld on 30.11.2013 at 21:52
I don't see how I'm making rules for the work force. If anything, I'm saying there should be less rules. People should be given the freedom to do what they want, even if that means the freedom to fail. If some people make the wrong choices for themselves then that's too bad, but it's nothing the government should be getting in on. Once again, when you get the government to tell you how to live, it's only a slippery slope from there on. I really don't think we're going to come to an agreement here. You think there should be laws prohibiting these sort of things to protect the self esteem of all involved. I think these are issues that should be left up to the individual. Giving the government that kind of power can be very dangerous because they will start to withdraw more freedoms. Soon, everything will become a moral issue to someone, even if no one is really a victim. Someone losing their self respect over their own actions is not a crime. Murder, rape and stealing are crimes, a transaction between two consenting adults is not. Shooting heroin and od'ing as a result isn't a crime, that's just natural selection.

It was a metaphor (the workforce, politician thing). All those things you just mentioned as crimes get caused by people on drugs like meth, and i thought i already said you were right about the drugs thing anyway.
I'm talking about prostitution, of coarse losing your self respect isn't a crime , but a law to make it a normal easy/normal thing to do isn't going to help anyone.

Your right we won't agree, But because the mods agree with you, you win and i admit your points did make me think twice about my views (especially with the drugs)

Written by Guest on 30.11.2013 at 23:34

Your right we won't agree, But because the mods agree with you, you win and i admit your points did make me think twice about my views (especially with the drugs)

Haha, ain't that a bitch? Anyway, I've agreed with most things you've said. I just don't feel like arguing, just wanted to let you know you aren't alone.

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Haha, ain't that a bitch?

i know, and he didn't even acknowledge my defeatist post

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I just don't feel like arguing

Yeah i shouldn't really bother either, i'm just a dumb house painter and i find it difficult to get my point across. A lot of the people on here go to university/collage and probably write essays and articles regularly which would help a lot in putting an argument down on paper. Plus it always ends up going in circles.

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Written by DyingWorld on 30.11.2013 at 21:52
I don't see how I'm making rules for the work force. If anything, I'm saying there should be less rules. People should be given the freedom to do what they want, even if that means the freedom to fail. If some people make the wrong choices for themselves then that's too bad, but it's nothing the government should be getting in on. Once again, when you get the government to tell you how to live, it's only a slippery slope from there on. I really don't think we're going to come to an agreement here. You think there should be laws prohibiting these sort of things to protect the self esteem of all involved. I think these are issues that should be left up to the individual. Giving the government that kind of power can be very dangerous because they will start to withdraw more freedoms. Soon, everything will become a moral issue to someone, even if no one is really a victim. Someone losing their self respect over their own actions is not a crime. Murder, rape and stealing are crimes, a transaction between two consenting adults is not. Shooting heroin and od'ing as a result isn't a crime, that's just natural selection.

It was a metaphor (the workforce, politician thing). All those things you just mentioned as crimes get caused by people on drugs like meth, and i thought i already said you were right about the drugs thing anyway.
I'm talking about prostitution, of coarse losing your self respect isn't a crime , but a law to make it a normal easy/normal thing to do isn't going to help anyone.

Your right we won't agree, But because the mods agree with you, you win and i admit your points did make me think twice about my views (especially with the drugs)

Well, it was fun sharpening up my debating skills without anyone getting hostile, haha! Cheers!

Written by DyingWorld on 03.12.2013 at 05:46

Well, it was fun sharpening up my debating skills without anyone getting hostile, haha! Cheers!

took me half an hour to read all your posts and I have to say, you're damn good with debates, thanks for voicing out some of my thoughts on prostitution and rules.

Iceland went the swedish way, I must admit, that I kind of like that way, they could tackle it harder though.
I like that they are concentrating on the buyer instead of the prostitute, in most cases the prostitute is a victim of circumstances, mental illness or even human trafficking, it´s wrong to use the vulnerability of these persons and offer them money for sex, it´s really nothing but filthy slavery.
Even if the myth of the happy hooker is true, that's maybe just 1 of every 1000, and I highly doubt that person would be mentally well.

Written by andskotinn on 09.01.2014 at 06:32

Iceland went the swedish way, I must admit, that I kind of like that way, they could tackle it harder though.
I like that they are concentrating on the buyer instead of the prostitute, in most cases the prostitute is a victim of circumstances, mental illness or even human trafficking, it´s wrong to use the vulnerability of these persons and offer them money for sex, it´s really nothing but filthy slavery.
Even if the myth of the happy hooker is true, that's maybe just 1 of every 1000, and I highly doubt that person would be mentally well.

Island is isolated, booze, drugs, guns , pussy, all illigal thinks are hard to get and besides Icelanbd's poppulation ... well its not huge so and its easier to controll
probbably hells Angels Iceland controlls all there, all you need is Bandido set up

Written by andskotinn on 09.01.2014 at 06:32

Iceland went the swedish way, I must admit, that I kind of like that way, they could tackle it harder though.
I like that they are concentrating on the buyer instead of the prostitute, in most cases the prostitute is a victim of circumstances, mental illness or even human trafficking, it´s wrong to use the vulnerability of these persons and offer them money for sex, it´s really nothing but filthy slavery.

If prostitutes are victims of circumstances, mental illness and human trafficking, penalizing the buyers does not help them. Nor penalizing the own prostitutes. Governments should tackle the sources if their objective is to stop the vulnerable situations prostitutes are sometimes exposed to. A women that prostitutes herself to pay her bills will not necessarily be in a better situation if she has no clients. Neither a mentally ill prostitute or even one that does it for the "pleasure". Women victim of human trafficking will still be under the wings of organized crime.

So disuading the clients does not solve the problem.

Written by Vombatus on 21.01.2014 at 00:32


If prostitutes are victims of circumstances, mental illness and human trafficking, penalizing the buyers does not help them. Nor penalizing the own prostitutes. Governments should tackle the sources if their objective is to stop the vulnerable situations prostitutes are sometimes exposed to. A women that prostitutes herself to pay her bills will not necessarily be in a better situation if she has no clients. Neither a mentally ill prostitute or even one that does it for the "pleasure". Women victim of human trafficking will still be under the wings of organized crime.

So disuading the clients does not solve the problem.

and not dissuading them does?

Written by Guest on 21.01.2014 at 00:43

and not dissuading them does?

Absolutely not. But what is the point of a public policy that does not fulfil its commitment, if not making things worse ?

As I implied in the previous post, if a government wants to end prostitution without making it explicitely illegal, I highyl doubt that giving away economic sanctions is the solution. They better consider the reasons there is an offer, and not the activity itself. If anything, putting barriers will only increase the activity of illegal sectors, which is even worse...

Written by Vombatus on 21.01.2014 at 01:02


Absolutely not. But what is the point of a public policy that does not fulfil its commitment, if not making things worse ?

As I implied in the previous post, if a government wants to end prostitution without making it explicitely illegal, I highyl doubt that giving away economic sanctions is the solution. They better consider the reasons there is an offer, and not the activity itself. If anything, putting barriers will only increase the activity of illegal sectors, which is even worse...

i think if it were illegal then instead of getting arrested and put away, maybe assessed and referred to the right help would be better. I still don't think it is right for men to be able to get drunk and go and use someones body if he suddenly feels the need, it's not good for anyone on all levels.

Mystique 1979 is maybe weirdest porn movie what I aver have seen .... realy hippie shit (if you were weedsmoker in the 60's 70's you will uderstand what I ment by this)

Written by Bad English on 28.03.2014 at 02:57

Mystique 1979 is maybe weirdest porn movie what I aver have seen .... realy hippie shit (if you were weedsmoker in the 60's 70's you will uderstand what I ment by this)

don't think this thread is about what porn movies you have watched

In Norway, prostitution is actually bocoming a problem. I think this is mainly because of the governments stupid laws. It's not illegal to sell sex in Norway, but it is illegal to buy. Prostitutes are required to pay income tax as well, something I find quite strange, based on the fact that they can not lawfully make money by doing what they do.

Being an "illegal" trade, the market will inevetably be controlled by criminals. As a result, victims of human trafficking are forced to work the streets, while some asshole sits safely in the background and collects the cash.

I think a lot of the problems with criminal involvment could be solved by legalizing the trade, and recognizing it as a profession. Give the prostitutes the same rights as every other person that works for a living. It should also be moved from the streets, to a controlled environment, like a brothel.

Written by toxx on 28.03.2014 at 10:24

In Norway, prostitution is actually bocoming a problem. I think this is mainly because of the governments stupid laws. It's not illegal to sell sex in Norway, but it is illegal to buy. Prostitutes are required to pay income tax as well, something I find quite strange, based on the fact that they can not lawfully make money by doing what they do.

Being an "illegal" trade, the market will inevetably be controlled by criminals. As a result, victims of human trafficking are forced to work the streets, while some asshole sits safely in the background and collects the cash.

I think a lot of the problems with criminal involvment could be solved by legalizing the trade, and recognizing it as a profession. Give the prostitutes the same rights as every other person that works for a living. It should also be moved from the streets, to a controlled environment, like a brothel.

same shit here