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Posted by deepsecret on 06.12.2006 at 07:01
This is just a thread discussing Nationalist Socialist Black Metal bands. Feel free to discuss your opinions on the music, ideologies and just mention any NSBM out there. I myself don't have Nationalist Socialist Ideologies, but some of the bands make some killer old school black metal that is just pleasing to hear everynow and again even if the genre is getting a bit stale and old.

Some bands to check out:

Legion Of Doom
Veles
Infernum
Infester
Thunderbolt
Ohtar
Winter Funeral
Kataxu



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Stallmanite

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  18.01.2012 at 10:19
Written by Savopipo on 18.01.2012 at 06:50
Yes, almost as ridiculous as when a Swedish skinhead said in a TV interview: "If Sweden doesn't stop accepting immigrants then I will move to a country that doesn't accept immigrants.".


I wish the poor bloke luck.

As for National SOPAlist Socialist Black Metal, I occasionally listen to 88 for the hell of it. They're a one-man Bulgarian NSBM band by some dumbfuck right-wing arse, but it's good music for lulz.
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  18.01.2012 at 18:45
Written by Savopipo on 18.01.2012 at 06:50
A Swedish skinhead said in a TV interview: "If Sweden doesn't stop accepting immigrants then I will move to a country that doesn't accept immigrants.".


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  26.01.2012 at 16:32
Written by Corax on 15.01.2012 at 21:48

Personally, if you can't stand for the message in lyrical themes, you shouldn't listen to or support that music. Music should be embraced with a straight back, that includes interpreting the meaning of the lyrics, at least thinking about what's being said and then think about it. Otherwise you could just as well turn on the radio for the latest pop tunes to play in the background while you do something else. I boycott NSBM in all its forms, I'm not buying this concept "I'm not a nazi or anything, I just like the melodies and the atmosphere."

Interesting comment there about the strong NSBM in the Slavic countries, Valentin B.


This thread looks dead but I can't help but throw in my two cents on the issue. Not that anyone cares, but either way here goes...

I can almost kind of see the point in the above statement. I mean, in buying music by a band, or supporting them in any other way you are, at a base level, giving them funding to continue and give out that same message. So in a sense yes, if you do not support the message then why support the band?

On the other hand, should lyrical content really matter? If the music is good, then who really cares what they are saying? Especially if it's in a language you don't understand or if they are growling so deep or screaming so loud you can't discern the actual words.

I guess it depends on the person and how strongly they feel about the subject matter upon which the music is being centered. For me lyrics in a song aren't enough to turn me off or make me change my mind about an issue I've already made a decision on. Therefore I can listen to the music and separate it from the overall message and enjoy it for what it is. But not all people can do that and while some are passionate about the almighty riff some may be just as passionate about political/ideological/religious theories and ideals. If so, then it would make sense that the lyrical content would make them think twice before purchasing an album or other band merchandise.

So it's not a right or wrong so much as how much are you willing to let slide? Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.
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  26.01.2012 at 19:10
Written by IncoherentScream on 26.01.2012 at 16:32


Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.


This.
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  31.01.2012 at 15:58
Written by IncoherentScream on 26.01.2012 at 16:32

This thread looks dead but I can't help but throw in my two cents on the issue. Not that anyone cares, but either way here goes...

I can almost kind of see the point in the above statement. I mean, in buying music by a band, or supporting them in any other way you are, at a base level, giving them funding to continue and give out that same message. So in a sense yes, if you do not support the message then why support the band?

On the other hand, should lyrical content really matter? If the music is good, then who really cares what they are saying? Especially if it's in a language you don't understand or if they are growling so deep or screaming so loud you can't discern the actual words.

I guess it depends on the person and how strongly they feel about the subject matter upon which the music is being centered. For me lyrics in a song aren't enough to turn me off or make me change my mind about an issue I've already made a decision on. Therefore I can listen to the music and separate it from the overall message and enjoy it for what it is. But not all people can do that and while some are passionate about the almighty riff some may be just as passionate about political/ideological/religious theories and ideals. If so, then it would make sense that the lyrical content would make them think twice before purchasing an album or other band merchandise.

So it's not a right or wrong so much as how much are you willing to let slide? Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.

Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here. Where each one decides to draw his own line is completely up to him. I doubt that most middle aged middle class people think about Wagner's views on things after having been to the opera house. I would consider it a gruesome exaggeration to compare Burzum and Wagner though... I let a lot of things slip through. It's to ignore the whole message of the music that I criticize, when you don't even pay attention to what's being said at all, and you listen just because the riff is so cool.

This never was about political correctness; for me Metal is the music genre that says what others don't, that is controversial issues and subjects. It's the anti thesis to the radio music you get fed with when you're walking down a street, when you're eating at a restaurant or while you're at a shop. But just because it's politically incorrect doesn't mean the natural consequence is to preach for National Socialism. Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.
Savopipo

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  01.02.2012 at 19:19
Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58

Written by IncoherentScream on 26.01.2012 at 16:32

This thread looks dead but I can't help but throw in my two cents on the issue. Not that anyone cares, but either way here goes...

I can almost kind of see the point in the above statement. I mean, in buying music by a band, or supporting them in any other way you are, at a base level, giving them funding to continue and give out that same message. So in a sense yes, if you do not support the message then why support the band?

On the other hand, should lyrical content really matter? If the music is good, then who really cares what they are saying? Especially if it's in a language you don't understand or if they are growling so deep or screaming so loud you can't discern the actual words.

I guess it depends on the person and how strongly they feel about the subject matter upon which the music is being centered. For me lyrics in a song aren't enough to turn me off or make me change my mind about an issue I've already made a decision on. Therefore I can listen to the music and separate it from the overall message and enjoy it for what it is. But not all people can do that and while some are passionate about the almighty riff some may be just as passionate about political/ideological/religious theories and ideals. If so, then it would make sense that the lyrical content would make them think twice before purchasing an album or other band merchandise.

So it's not a right or wrong so much as how much are you willing to let slide? Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.

Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here. Where each one decides to draw his own line is completely up to him. I doubt that most middle aged middle class people think about Wagner's views on things after having been to the opera house. I would consider it a gruesome exaggeration to compare Burzum and Wagner though... I let a lot of things slip through. It's to ignore the whole message of the music that I criticize, when you don't even pay attention to what's being said at all, and you listen just because the riff is so cool.

This never was about political correctness; for me Metal is the music genre that says what others don't, that is controversial issues and subjects. It's the anti thesis to the radio music you get fed with when you're walking down a street, when you're eating at a restaurant or while you're at a shop. But just because it's politically incorrect doesn't mean the natural consequence is to preach for National Socialism. Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


I heard an interview where someone (I think it was the original Mayhem drummer) said that Euronymous views on things was generally right wing but he wouldn't be a nazi because he thought Hitler was too commercial *laughs*

Kidding aside i agree with you. Black Metal (or any metal) shouldn't be used for political purposes.
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  01.02.2012 at 19:40
Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58
Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here.


I really hope you are not saying that those who chose to not give that much attention to the lyrics aren't taking the music as seriously as you because if you are saying that.... It would be the most arrogant and douchy thing I've read in a while... and it also would be horribly wrong. Everybody enjoys music in his/her own way, no one's way is better than anybody's way.

Quote:
Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


Burzum isn't NSBM.
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Savopipo

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  02.02.2012 at 01:29
Written by Mr. Doctor on 01.02.2012 at 19:40

Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58
Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here.


I really hope you are not saying that those who chose to not give that much attention to the lyrics aren't taking the music as seriously as you because if you are saying that.... It would be the most arrogant and douchy thing I've read in a while... and it also would be horribly wrong. Everybody enjoys music in his/her own way, no one's way is better than anybody's way.

Quote:
Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


Burzum isn't NSBM.

No, but Christian is getting very close to the border with his books, articles in the paper and records.
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  02.02.2012 at 09:16
Written by Savopipo on 02.02.2012 at 01:29

Written by Mr. Doctor on 01.02.2012 at 19:40

Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58
Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here.


I really hope you are not saying that those who chose to not give that much attention to the lyrics aren't taking the music as seriously as you because if you are saying that.... It would be the most arrogant and douchy thing I've read in a while... and it also would be horribly wrong. Everybody enjoys music in his/her own way, no one's way is better than anybody's way.

Quote:
Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


Burzum isn't NSBM.

No, but Christian is getting very close to the border with his books, articles in the paper and records.


We are talking about Varg Vikernes the Odinist...right? He's extreme but I wouldn't go so far as to call him NSBM....
IncoherentScream

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From: USA

  02.02.2012 at 09:22
Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:18

Written by Savopipo on 01.02.2012 at 19:19

Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58

Written by IncoherentScream on 26.01.2012 at 16:32

This thread looks dead but I can't help but throw in my two cents on the issue. Not that anyone cares, but either way here goes...

I can almost kind of see the point in the above statement. I mean, in buying music by a band, or supporting them in any other way you are, at a base level, giving them funding to continue and give out that same message. So in a sense yes, if you do not support the message then why support the band?

On the other hand, should lyrical content really matter? If the music is good, then who really cares what they are saying? Especially if it's in a language you don't understand or if they are growling so deep or screaming so loud you can't discern the actual words.

I guess it depends on the person and how strongly they feel about the subject matter upon which the music is being centered. For me lyrics in a song aren't enough to turn me off or make me change my mind about an issue I've already made a decision on. Therefore I can listen to the music and separate it from the overall message and enjoy it for what it is. But not all people can do that and while some are passionate about the almighty riff some may be just as passionate about political/ideological/religious theories and ideals. If so, then it would make sense that the lyrical content would make them think twice before purchasing an album or other band merchandise.

So it's not a right or wrong so much as how much are you willing to let slide? Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.

Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here. Where each one decides to draw his own line is completely up to him. I doubt that most middle aged middle class people think about Wagner's views on things after having been to the opera house. I would consider it a gruesome exaggeration to compare Burzum and Wagner though... I let a lot of things slip through. It's to ignore the whole message of the music that I criticize, when you don't even pay attention to what's being said at all, and you listen just because the riff is so cool.

This never was about political correctness; for me Metal is the music genre that says what others don't, that is controversial issues and subjects. It's the anti thesis to the radio music you get fed with when you're walking down a street, when you're eating at a restaurant or while you're at a shop. But just because it's politically incorrect doesn't mean the natural consequence is to preach for National Socialism. Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


[qupte] I heard an interview where someone (I think it was the original Mayhem drummer) said that Euronymous views on things was generally right wing but he wouldn't be a nazi because he thought Hitler was too commercial *laughs*

Kidding aside i agree with you. Black Metal (or any metal) shouldn't be used for political purposes.


So then none of John Lennon's music is credible at all? Seriously dude?

But on another note; it was the dude from Cadaver that said that about Euronymous. And it wasn't that he was a fan of Hitler he was saying that ideologically it would have made more sense for him to be a fan of Goebbels instead of Stalin (whom Euronymous sort of idolized) but that, yes, perhaps he felt that Nazism was too commercial. It came from the documentary Once Upon a Time in Norway[/i} which is pretty damn good but is fairly biased in it's recounting of certain...events...

Now, as for art in general most of the great pieces of work have stemmed from people that felt strongly about certain things including political ideologies. Just because their beliefs don't line up with yours or are considered to be fascist or "wrong" doesn't make the art any less valid when compared to something you [i]do
agree with or isn't politically charged. So The Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Metallica, etc., etc. are shit because they happened to put out political viewpoints in their music? Get real man.
Savopipo

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From: Sweden

  02.02.2012 at 09:49
Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:22

Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:18

Written by Savopipo on 01.02.2012 at 19:19

Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58

Written by IncoherentScream on 26.01.2012 at 16:32

This thread looks dead but I can't help but throw in my two cents on the issue. Not that anyone cares, but either way here goes...

I can almost kind of see the point in the above statement. I mean, in buying music by a band, or supporting them in any other way you are, at a base level, giving them funding to continue and give out that same message. So in a sense yes, if you do not support the message then why support the band?

On the other hand, should lyrical content really matter? If the music is good, then who really cares what they are saying? Especially if it's in a language you don't understand or if they are growling so deep or screaming so loud you can't discern the actual words.

I guess it depends on the person and how strongly they feel about the subject matter upon which the music is being centered. For me lyrics in a song aren't enough to turn me off or make me change my mind about an issue I've already made a decision on. Therefore I can listen to the music and separate it from the overall message and enjoy it for what it is. But not all people can do that and while some are passionate about the almighty riff some may be just as passionate about political/ideological/religious theories and ideals. If so, then it would make sense that the lyrical content would make them think twice before purchasing an album or other band merchandise.

So it's not a right or wrong so much as how much are you willing to let slide? Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.

Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here. Where each one decides to draw his own line is completely up to him. I doubt that most middle aged middle class people think about Wagner's views on things after having been to the opera house. I would consider it a gruesome exaggeration to compare Burzum and Wagner though... I let a lot of things slip through. It's to ignore the whole message of the music that I criticize, when you don't even pay attention to what's being said at all, and you listen just because the riff is so cool.

This never was about political correctness; for me Metal is the music genre that says what others don't, that is controversial issues and subjects. It's the anti thesis to the radio music you get fed with when you're walking down a street, when you're eating at a restaurant or while you're at a shop. But just because it's politically incorrect doesn't mean the natural consequence is to preach for National Socialism. Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


[qupte] I heard an interview where someone (I think it was the original Mayhem drummer) said that Euronymous views on things was generally right wing but he wouldn't be a nazi because he thought Hitler was too commercial *laughs*

Kidding aside i agree with you. Black Metal (or any metal) shouldn't be used for political purposes.


So then none of John Lennon's music is credible at all? Seriously dude?

But on another note; it was the dude from Cadaver that said that about Euronymous. And it wasn't that he was a fan of Hitler he was saying that ideologically it would have made more sense for him to be a fan of Goebbels instead of Stalin (whom Euronymous sort of idolized) but that, yes, perhaps he felt that Nazism was too commercial. It came from the documentary Once Upon a Time in Norway[/i} which is pretty damn good but is fairly biased in it's recounting of certain...events...

Now, as for art in general most of the great pieces of work have stemmed from people that felt strongly about certain things including political ideologies. Just because their beliefs don't line up with yours or are considered to be fascist or "wrong" doesn't make the art any less valid when compared to something you [i]do
agree with or isn't politically charged. So The Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Metallica, etc., etc. are shit because they happened to put out political viewpoints in their music? Get real man.

John Lennon played metal and I didn't even know about it? Duuuude!
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Savopipo

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  02.02.2012 at 09:51
Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:16

Written by Savopipo on 02.02.2012 at 01:29

Written by Mr. Doctor on 01.02.2012 at 19:40

Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58
Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here.


I really hope you are not saying that those who chose to not give that much attention to the lyrics aren't taking the music as seriously as you because if you are saying that.... It would be the most arrogant and douchy thing I've read in a while... and it also would be horribly wrong. Everybody enjoys music in his/her own way, no one's way is better than anybody's way.

Quote:
Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


Burzum isn't NSBM.

No, but Christian is getting very close to the border with his books, articles in the paper and records.


We are talking about Varg Vikernes the Odinist...right? He's extreme but I wouldn't go so far as to call him NSBM....

Of course not. But his political views are very close to fascism. I wasn't referring to music at all.
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  02.02.2012 at 11:12
Written by Savopipo on 02.02.2012 at 09:49

Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:22

Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:18

Written by Savopipo on 01.02.2012 at 19:19

Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58

Written by IncoherentScream on 26.01.2012 at 16:32

This thread looks dead but I can't help but throw in my two cents on the issue. Not that anyone cares, but either way here goes...

I can almost kind of see the point in the above statement. I mean, in buying music by a band, or supporting them in any other way you are, at a base level, giving them funding to continue and give out that same message. So in a sense yes, if you do not support the message then why support the band?

On the other hand, should lyrical content really matter? If the music is good, then who really cares what they are saying? Especially if it's in a language you don't understand or if they are growling so deep or screaming so loud you can't discern the actual words.

I guess it depends on the person and how strongly they feel about the subject matter upon which the music is being centered. For me lyrics in a song aren't enough to turn me off or make me change my mind about an issue I've already made a decision on. Therefore I can listen to the music and separate it from the overall message and enjoy it for what it is. But not all people can do that and while some are passionate about the almighty riff some may be just as passionate about political/ideological/religious theories and ideals. If so, then it would make sense that the lyrical content would make them think twice before purchasing an album or other band merchandise.

So it's not a right or wrong so much as how much are you willing to let slide? Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.

Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here. Where each one decides to draw his own line is completely up to him. I doubt that most middle aged middle class people think about Wagner's views on things after having been to the opera house. I would consider it a gruesome exaggeration to compare Burzum and Wagner though... I let a lot of things slip through. It's to ignore the whole message of the music that I criticize, when you don't even pay attention to what's being said at all, and you listen just because the riff is so cool.

This never was about political correctness; for me Metal is the music genre that says what others don't, that is controversial issues and subjects. It's the anti thesis to the radio music you get fed with when you're walking down a street, when you're eating at a restaurant or while you're at a shop. But just because it's politically incorrect doesn't mean the natural consequence is to preach for National Socialism. Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


[qupte] I heard an interview where someone (I think it was the original Mayhem drummer) said that Euronymous views on things was generally right wing but he wouldn't be a nazi because he thought Hitler was too commercial *laughs*

Kidding aside i agree with you. Black Metal (or any metal) shouldn't be used for political purposes.


So then none of John Lennon's music is credible at all? Seriously dude?

But on another note; it was the dude from Cadaver that said that about Euronymous. And it wasn't that he was a fan of Hitler he was saying that ideologically it would have made more sense for him to be a fan of Goebbels instead of Stalin (whom Euronymous sort of idolized) but that, yes, perhaps he felt that Nazism was too commercial. It came from the documentary Once Upon a Time in Norway[/i} which is pretty damn good but is fairly biased in it's recounting of certain...events...

Now, as for art in general most of the great pieces of work have stemmed from people that felt strongly about certain things including political ideologies. Just because their beliefs don't line up with yours or are considered to be fascist or "wrong" doesn't make the art any less valid when compared to something you [i]do
agree with or isn't politically charged. So The Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Metallica, etc., etc. are shit because they happened to put out political viewpoints in their music? Get real man.

John Lennon played metal and I didn't even know about it? Duuuude!




We all know that he didn't, but the point has gone way paste metal at this point and gone into a far reaching idea that any band that uses music to further their own political ideals/agenda is somehow doing something wrong or using music for a purpose other than it should be.
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  02.02.2012 at 15:44
Written by Savopipo on 02.02.2012 at 01:29
No, but Christian is getting very close to the border with his books, articles in the paper and records.


Doesn't matter. Even though Burzum is a one-band. Burzum isn't Varg if you know what I mean. Just because Varg might be a nazi doesn't make Burzum a NSBM.
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  02.02.2012 at 19:43
Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 11:12

Written by Savopipo on 02.02.2012 at 09:49

Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:22

Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 09:18

Written by Savopipo on 01.02.2012 at 19:19

Written by Corax on 31.01.2012 at 15:58

Written by IncoherentScream on 26.01.2012 at 16:32

This thread looks dead but I can't help but throw in my two cents on the issue. Not that anyone cares, but either way here goes...

I can almost kind of see the point in the above statement. I mean, in buying music by a band, or supporting them in any other way you are, at a base level, giving them funding to continue and give out that same message. So in a sense yes, if you do not support the message then why support the band?

On the other hand, should lyrical content really matter? If the music is good, then who really cares what they are saying? Especially if it's in a language you don't understand or if they are growling so deep or screaming so loud you can't discern the actual words.

I guess it depends on the person and how strongly they feel about the subject matter upon which the music is being centered. For me lyrics in a song aren't enough to turn me off or make me change my mind about an issue I've already made a decision on. Therefore I can listen to the music and separate it from the overall message and enjoy it for what it is. But not all people can do that and while some are passionate about the almighty riff some may be just as passionate about political/ideological/religious theories and ideals. If so, then it would make sense that the lyrical content would make them think twice before purchasing an album or other band merchandise.

So it's not a right or wrong so much as how much are you willing to let slide? Honestly if your answer is nothing then you must have a very boring Metal collection because most of the best Metal being produced today has quite a bit to say (sincere or not) about quite a few controversial subjects.

Lyrical content should matter, if it matters to you. I take most music seriously and I want to consider the message of songs, not just entertain my ears with rhythmically arranged sounds. I guess that is my point here. Where each one decides to draw his own line is completely up to him. I doubt that most middle aged middle class people think about Wagner's views on things after having been to the opera house. I would consider it a gruesome exaggeration to compare Burzum and Wagner though... I let a lot of things slip through. It's to ignore the whole message of the music that I criticize, when you don't even pay attention to what's being said at all, and you listen just because the riff is so cool.

This never was about political correctness; for me Metal is the music genre that says what others don't, that is controversial issues and subjects. It's the anti thesis to the radio music you get fed with when you're walking down a street, when you're eating at a restaurant or while you're at a shop. But just because it's politically incorrect doesn't mean the natural consequence is to preach for National Socialism. Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


[qupte] I heard an interview where someone (I think it was the original Mayhem drummer) said that Euronymous views on things was generally right wing but he wouldn't be a nazi because he thought Hitler was too commercial *laughs*

Kidding aside i agree with you. Black Metal (or any metal) shouldn't be used for political purposes.


So then none of John Lennon's music is credible at all? Seriously dude?

But on another note; it was the dude from Cadaver that said that about Euronymous. And it wasn't that he was a fan of Hitler he was saying that ideologically it would have made more sense for him to be a fan of Goebbels instead of Stalin (whom Euronymous sort of idolized) but that, yes, perhaps he felt that Nazism was too commercial. It came from the documentary Once Upon a Time in Norway[/i} which is pretty damn good but is fairly biased in it's recounting of certain...events...

Now, as for art in general most of the great pieces of work have stemmed from people that felt strongly about certain things including political ideologies. Just because their beliefs don't line up with yours or are considered to be fascist or "wrong" doesn't make the art any less valid when compared to something you [i]do
agree with or isn't politically charged. So The Sex Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Metallica, etc., etc. are shit because they happened to put out political viewpoints in their music? Get real man.

John Lennon played metal and I didn't even know about it? Duuuude!




We all know that he didn't, but the point has gone way paste metal at this point and gone into a far reaching idea that any band that uses music to further their own political ideals/agenda is somehow doing something wrong or using music for a purpose other than it should be.

If that's what you believe it's fine with me but I wrote: "Black Metal (or any metal) shouldn't be used for political purposes." and that I guess leaves John Lennon out of it.
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  02.02.2012 at 19:55
People, let the post above me be the last mayan pyramid on this thread. Just quote the comment you actually want to quote, not the whole discussion.
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  02.02.2012 at 20:44
Quote:

If that's what you believe it's fine with me but I wrote: "Black Metal (or any metal) shouldn't be used for political purposes." and that I guess leaves John Lennon out of it.


Ahhhh....so you did indeed. How did I miss that???

I guess I was sort of taking your comments and mixing them up in my head with...damn...his user name escapes me at the moment but the dude with the Sounds of a Playground Fading crow as his avatar. He was sort of generalizing about music in general, whereas you were simply talking about Metal. Which brings up a good question; you wouldn't be opposed to politically charged lyrics in another genre?? Not trying to be a smart ass, just trying to see where your coming from.
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  02.02.2012 at 20:52
Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 20:44
the dude with the Sounds of a Playground Fading crow as his avatar.


It's not from that album, it's just some random crow

/offtopic.
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  02.02.2012 at 20:59
Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.02.2012 at 20:52

Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 20:44
the dude with the Sounds of a Playground Fading crow as his avatar.


It's not from that album, it's just some random crow

/offtopic.


I'll be damned if it doesn't look like it though. Or maybe my memory is fucked up because I tore the record sleeve up in a sort of frenzy because I, once again, foolishly expected a good In Flames album again.
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  02.02.2012 at 21:11
Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 20:59
I'll be damned if it doesn't look like it though. Or maybe my memory is fucked up because I tore the record sleeve up in a sort of frenzy because I, once again, foolishly expected a good In Flames album again.


Honestly... The album is way WAAAAAAAAAAYbetter than A sense Of Purpose and Come Clarity. Actually... if you want my full opinion, read the write up in the alternative category of the awards since I was the one who wrote it. While not being a masterpiece or anything. It's still a lot better than the last two other albums and it does take some obvious influences from older releases like Reroute To Remain which is a good thing in my book.
I'll rate it somewhere between a strong 6 or a light 7.... Probably a 7,0. Definitely a couple of steps forwards after the terrible ASOP and CC.
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  02.02.2012 at 21:21
Written by Mr. Doctor on 02.02.2012 at 21:11

Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 20:59
I'll be damned if it doesn't look like it though. Or maybe my memory is fucked up because I tore the record sleeve up in a sort of frenzy because I, once again, foolishly expected a good In Flames album again.


Honestly... The album is way WAAAAAAAAAAYbetter than A sense Of Purpose and Come Clarity. Actually... if you want my full opinion, read the write up in the alternative category of the awards since I was the one who wrote it. While not being a masterpiece or anything. It's still a lot better than the last two other albums and it does take some obvious influences from older releases like Reroute To Remain which is a good thing in my book.
I'll rate it somewhere between a strong 6 or a light 7.... Probably a 7,0. Definitely a couple of steps forwards after the terrible ASOP and CC.


I was exaggerating but yeah it was better than the steaming piles of shit they have been calling In Flames records in recent history. But for me man it's like they were on the cusp of something great with Whoracle and Colony and it was insanely depressing to see them take the route that they did. To each his own. Sounds of a Playground Fading was a step in the right direction but still fell short of what I know they are actually capable of. To me they are sort of like the Swedish Metallica, but then again I'm not Swedish so I'm probably off base but that's the only comparison I can make in the way they randomly changed styles like that.

And this is why forums kick ass...from NSBM to In Flames...and this topic is actually more interesting...odd...
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  02.02.2012 at 21:24
From Uncyclopedia, something to lighten the mood and bring us back on topic:

Nazi Black Metal was started by a German tank crew called the Panzer Division Marduk in 1939. At that time there was no music that adequately gave them erections whilst killing Jews, so they decided to write some of their own. Commander Rob Darken and his crew recorded their debut album, Aryan Jewblood Holocaust, in a graveland next to a concentration camp. The production was pretty low-fi, due to it having being recorded in the "belly of the beast". (Inside a tank). The music created such bloodlust in the man that they decided to outlaw every black metal band from outside their country from crossing the border, on pain of death by battleaxe. This was known as the Dark War. Legions of followers joined their cause as they battled against the enemies of the Reich, the poser black metal bands from Finland. The reason for this is that it's more blasphemous to only want to kill Jews, blacks and foreigners than to want all of humanity dead. This is especially true in countries full of very white, blonde, blue-eyed people.

After successfully defeating the forces of false metal, Herr Darken's tanks broke down due to beer being spilled on the components and the crew randomly smashing the inside up with baseball bats. So they decided to run naked into the Carpathian woods with spiky weapons and form a new Paganazi underground. To this day you can still hear them screeching if you're walking the woods of eastern Europe under a full moon, five seconds before you get stabbed in the face with a rusty screwdriver.
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  02.02.2012 at 21:27
Nice recovery.

Sorry for the offtopic to the rest of you!
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  02.02.2012 at 22:25
Written by IncoherentScream on 02.02.2012 at 21:24

Nazi Black Metal was started by a German tank crew called the Panzer Division Marduk in 1939.


That's not true! There was a Swedish one man band named "Rumpnagel" that recorded the first Nazi Black Metal album (called "Freshly Squeezed Jews") inside a Fiat Uno in 1938!
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  03.02.2012 at 11:36
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I really hope you are not saying that those who chose to not give that much attention to the lyrics aren't taking the music as seriously as you because if you are saying that.... It would be the most arrogant and douchy thing I've read in a while... and it also would be horribly wrong. Everybody enjoys music in his/her own way, no one's way is better than anybody's way.

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Black Metal used to be about abolishing Christian/Conservative values, nihilism and nature/graveyard/death romanticism, never about preaching for ideologies or proclaiming the superiority of a "race", as the NSBM artists are doing, like Burzum et al.


Burzum isn't NSBM.

I have never said that there is only one way to approach and listen to music, and that it should be my way of doing it. I'm just saying what I think about it. The lyrics were written for a reason, but naturally the intention and reception are always different. My opinion isn't more or less valid than anyone else's. I'm ciritical to ignoring outspoken political messages in music, like: "Don't whine about the lyrics, just listen to the music!" Of course you can take it with a pinch of salt, the main this is not to ignore it. Once again, that's just what I think. There's no right or wrong here.
What I personally do when I get the message from the music, and I see that most of the artist's music is permeated by these ideas, I don't feel like listening to/support that artist if his core values/message is in direct opposition to mine.

Okay, what then are the criterias that have to be fulfilled to be classified as NSBM, to you? I categorize anyone who writes this in his blog as NSBM:

"The "nazi ghost" has scared millions of Europeans from caring about their blood and homeland for sixty years now, and it is about time we banish this ghost and again start to think and care about the things that (whether we like it or not) are important to us." (source)

"Caring about their blood" refers to biology, that is classification of people as European/white and non-whites. This race should care about its homeland (in singular, that is a common home for one people based on their biology, "blood"). Nazism has scared the white race from caring about its biology, and it shouldn't be afraid of doing so. We should start caring about the things that are important to us, whether we like it or not. By this he means that biology is important, whether we like it or not. That is pretty National Socialist to me...
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  03.02.2012 at 16:15
Written by Corax on 03.02.2012 at 11:36
Okay, what then are the criterias that have to be fulfilled to be classified as NSBM, to you? I categorize anyone who writes this in HIS BLOG as NSBM:


Yeah, that's pretty much it... The stuff you quoted is in his BLOG. At the moment I don't know any single sentence in Burzum lyrics that have something to do with NS. NSBM is just black metal that promotes NS ideologies through lyrics and imagery.
Until Varg puts a pic of himself with a swastika behind him and/or some lyrics regarding the aryan race or any thing related to NS..... Burzum is not NSBM by definition. It's just that simple.

I'm not a fanboy of the dude or anything... I'm just saying what NSBM is. The project that is Burzum doesn't promote NS thoughts of any kind. The frontman is a nutjob... but that doesn't change anything.
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  03.02.2012 at 16:32
People failing to differentiate the musician's ideologies from the band/music itself again?

Damn, I thought we had that covered months ago...
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  03.02.2012 at 17:07
Written by Mr. Doctor on 03.02.2012 at 16:15
Until Varg puts a pic of himself with a swastika behind him


Except that swastikas have nothing to do with Nazism*, but okay.

*well, they didn't used to anyway.
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  03.02.2012 at 17:11
Written by vezzy on 03.02.2012 at 17:07
Except that swastikas have nothing to do with Nazism*, but okay.
*well, they didn't used to anyway.


I do know that... But I think my point was clear enough. Same with the spanish catholic easter celebrations... It's not their fault their costumes are kind of weird to the modern society because of KKK.
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I think that Varg gave the motive to many bands to write NS music.And that because of his beliefs.Of course his music or lyrics are not NSBM.His ideology was more patriotic than national socialistic, I think.So, when he was supported his ideas, he was giving motives to other national socialistic people to write about their political beliefs.Another example is depressive black metal, which begin from Varg also and now is like suicidal,cut-my-veins-things which is not what originally created.But the style over the years changed.Like NSBM changed.In fact, earliest bands didn't have the balls to make such an extreme kind of music.Maybe

Generally, in NSBM (because I was listening a lot but I don't have to do anything with that ideology), artists want to make music and to put their ideologies in that.But there are a lot of bands which baptised NSDM without be, because of their members beliefs.Also, there a lot of bands which play pagan black metal and also baptised as NSBM.Wrong, too.
Finally, when you listening to NSBM don't mean that you a fascist or neonazi or things like that.Some bands have very good stuff and their lyrics are not NS at all.
My opinion!

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