Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.

Hi Hollberr,

What you consider a professionally made album? If you recon that DT is amateurs. I'd like to know your opinion.

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

What comes a minute after it is still music, and possibly one of the greatest ways they could have finished off the album. That one section alone was what showed me that DT actually can make simple, decent, emotion-tugging music. One of my favourite parts of any of their songs, period. Possibly some of the best music for reminiscence or reflection that I've heard.

I don't know how you could consider that part to be irrelevant when it was like the band was personally gift wrapping the album for you.

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Hi Hollberr,

What you consider a professionally made album? If you recon that DT is amateurs. I'd like to know your opinion.

This album seems amateurish to me because it has no internal structure. Songs like Behind the Veil, Surrender to Reason, and Illumination Theory are poorly structured, and each have very questionnable transitions (for example the acoustic part in Surrender to Reason. I still don't get that).
The album is full of generic, tasteless choruses. It seems they tried to keep the heavy, popish sound of ADTOE (like Outcry of Bridges in the Sky), but failed in making their melodies as catchy.
Also the album seems too much compressed. Drums sounds almost fake, especially the snare. Labrie sings too high at the end of Illumination Theory and screws the possibly beautiful solo of Petrucci (we only hear half, first half being hidden by Labrie's now disgusting high voice.

I can recognize the goods also. Petrucci's sound is fantastic, Myung is back in the mix, Enemy Inside is great, and Mangini rocks the drums. Individually they are phenomenal, but to my taste and to what level I'm used to with these guys, they made a poor album.

Written by Lethrokai on 24.09.2013 at 19:17

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

What comes a minute after it is still music, and possibly one of the greatest ways they could have finished off the album. That one section alone was what showed me that DT actually can make simple, decent, emotion-tugging music. One of my favourite parts of any of their songs, period. Possibly some of the best music for reminiscence or reflection that I've heard.

I don't know how you could consider that part to be irrelevant when it was like the band was personally gift wrapping the album for you.

I have nothing against gift wrapping an album. Beneath the Surface was a nice way to gift wrap ADTOE. But Illumination Theory still ends at 19min07. What comes after is still irrelevant, gift wrapping or not, beautiful or not. But then, the song has a poor structure so why not?

Written by Hollberr on 25.09.2013 at 06:38

Written by Lethrokai on 24.09.2013 at 19:17

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

What comes a minute after it is still music, and possibly one of the greatest ways they could have finished off the album. That one section alone was what showed me that DT actually can make simple, decent, emotion-tugging music. One of my favourite parts of any of their songs, period. Possibly some of the best music for reminiscence or reflection that I've heard.

I don't know how you could consider that part to be irrelevant when it was like the band was personally gift wrapping the album for you.

I have nothing against gift wrapping an album. Beneath the Surface was a nice way to gift wrap ADTOE. But Illumination Theory still ends at 19min07. What comes after is still irrelevant, gift wrapping or not, beautiful or not. But then, the song has a poor structure so why not?

Ah, I see what you mean now. Still don't exactly agree with the whole "irrelevant" thing, but to each man his own.

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.

Sounds like i should stay away from this one for awhile

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.

I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.

Pretty much this, except Megadeth should possibly be added as well. The more metal songs at points sounded like a progressive version of Megadeth.

They're doing the same album again and again.
Not bad but could be MUCH better!

The same album again and again? What the fuck? This album sounds nothing like Systematic Chaos or BC&SL.

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.

Whether or not you like the album is entirely your business, and that's fine with me. But what you said here is beyond ridiculous. You're either deaf or insane.

I think it's really good, but nowhere near my Dream Theater standards. The only songs which really stands out for me are "The Looking Glass" and "Along for the Ride". The rest is absolutely good, but they don't make me wanna come back over and over again.

Very radical opinions about this album. No surprise for me, since every new DT album since Six Degrees is quite controversial.

This album obviously needs some time, but still this is pretty standard DT stuff. I keep thinking of Images and Words on many songs, but False Awakening Suite really surprised me: I like that kind of epic music. Besides that intro, there is no song which I like in its entirety, but overall the album is heavily good.

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.

I totally agree with Hollberr,
This album is way too uninspired for such a band, i liked about 2 songs on the whole album (enigma and illumination theory) but the rest are really bad songs. If you compare this album to other prog stuff, you can see they aren't a force in progressive metal anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love DT, they are great musicians but their newests album aren't good at all. James Labrie's vocals are so boring, hell Rebecca Black sings better...
They should have named this album all filler no killers...

Written by Opethian on 27.09.2013 at 02:33

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.

I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at

Never heard of Ayreon.

Written by MaxDP on 29.09.2013 at 05:48

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

For me, it's a completely uninspired album. Way too pop. Bigger Picture is probably their worst song ever.
Bad transitions throughout the album (Behing the Veil starts so well, but the rest of the song doesn't connect with the intro). Illumination Theory has its moments, but I feel it's just a sequence of riffs that dont' really make a whole. And let's face it, the song is 19minutes long, not 22. What comes a minute after it's finished is completely irrelevant.

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.

I totally agree with Hollberr,
This album is way too uninspired for such a band, i liked about 2 songs on the whole album (enigma and illumination theory) but the rest are really bad songs. If you compare this album to other prog stuff, you can see they aren't a force in progressive metal anymore. Don't get me wrong, I love DT, they are great musicians but their newests album aren't good at all. James Labrie's vocals are so boring, hell Rebecca Black sings better...
They should have named this album all filler no killers...

No band singer can sound worse than Rebecca black! Thats Treason to suggest!

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence

Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence

be glad someone has actually not heard of that overrated Arjan Lucassen project

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.09.2013 at 16:28

Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence

be glad someone has actually not heard of that overrated Arjan Lucassen project

Overrated it may be, but it's one of the only overrated projects that actually deserves and earns the hype it gets.

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I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at

Never heard of Ayreon.

best answer EVER!

Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence

C'mon =( I was listening to metal since I was 7.

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 30.09.2013 at 16:58

Written by Hex_Omega on 29.09.2013 at 14:50

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Never heard of Ayreon.

You are officially a metal newbie No offence

C'mon =( I was listening to metal since I was 7.

Give them a try if you haven't listened to them yet, it's worth it . You can't really compare Ayreon with DT. Except for the fact that they both are prog bands, they don't have anything similar, in my opinion. But in terms of quality, both are amazing bands. I still prefer DT though .

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 29.09.2013 at 13:23

Written by Opethian on 27.09.2013 at 02:33

Written by (o> . <o> ) on 26.09.2013 at 15:16

If you love Rush and DT then this is it.

I like these guys to some extreme point, but dude ... Ayreon is where its all at

Never heard of Ayreon.

.................................................. Into the Electric Castle RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

Written by Daniell on 27.09.2013 at 23:03

Written by Hollberr on 24.09.2013 at 06:20

I feel it's an album made by amateurs. Truly.

Whether or not you like the album is entirely your business, and that's fine with me. But what you said here is beyond ridiculous. You're either deaf or insane.

And you're either retarded or disrespectful.
I didn't say it WAS an album made by amateurs, I said I FELT like it was an album made by amateurs. There's so much bad stuff in this album, and so few hot spots in their songs, that to me it really doesn't seem like they're been doing this for 25 years. Or maybe the opposite. It's been 25 years and now they're not inspired anymore. I don't know. But one thing I do know is that I hate this album. And that it's fine with you.

This is truly a disappointment for me - most songs sound like they're meant for the radio, 4/4 time signatures overwhelm the most part of the album, solos just for the sake of soloing followed by overly cheesy choruses, rigid and predictable song structures.

I'm not convinced by this album at all.

Written by Carl Berg on 02.10.2013 at 12:54

solos just for the sake of soloing followed by overly cheesy choruses, rigid and predictable song structures.

they have been guilty of that for the largest part of their career

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.10.2013 at 13:09

Written by Carl Berg on 02.10.2013 at 12:54

solos just for the sake of soloing followed by overly cheesy choruses, rigid and predictable song structures.

they have been guilty of that for the largest part of their career

ABSOLUTELY !

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.10.2013 at 13:09

they have been guilty of that for the largest part of their career

QFT