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Posted by deadone on 28.02.2014 at 03:41
Those frisky Ruskis are peeved off their little stooge in the Ukraine is gone.

They still control a massive naval base in Crimea and large chunks of the Ukrainian population are pro-Russian.


And there's news of Russian military build ups on the border and in Crimea itself:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18446661.ab

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=103578

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/ryskt-stridsflyg-redo-for-attack/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26366700

I could see the Russians doing a limited incursion to secure a link between Russia and Crimean peninsula.


Either that or shut down natural gas exports and kill what's left of the Ukrainian economy .



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  08.04.2014 at 03:16
Written by Bad English on 08.04.2014 at 03:10

Borders were solved , after WWII when whole land were ocipied


Borders were not solved after WWII. Borders are still an issue in Eastern Europe because they're artificial and not based on ethnic divisions.

Hence problems in Moldova, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Georgia, Estonia etc.


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Finland to .... but now Swe talks about joining it and I think NATO would defend swe if Rus attacks

Bur Rus can go far , but who stops folk join militia and kill sodlers, black n tans can still do in belfast ... Rus has no men ower ocupy whole Europe and keep it and I dont think they will go in any eastern land unless Putin cant get up hus tool, (real reason of devorcing) ... Moldova can be next
He couldocupy georgia, he didnt


Russia will never attack NATO. The Russians aren't stupid. They don't want WWIII.


However it is clear that there are some very stupid people in US and Europe who do want WWIII. The problem is in democracies stupidity is more likely than in Putin's very controlled dictatorships.

Hence I think it will sooner be some American led coalition that attacks Russia, especially if the next president is more warmongering than Obama.


And then Europe and USA will get turned into a radioactive wasteland.
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  08.04.2014 at 11:51
Deaddone - those borders in ex USSR was that Stalin removed nativs from native land and send themd eep in Sibiria and send Russians and othe soviets in ... startegic mastermind, it works in Ukraine
Those Russians who was living in Baltics from tsar time, they were totaly aganst ussr and hated shit , those who remainded are still there and hates
it was ppl movement so they came there and ask Viggo

Stupid ppl are everywhere and USA likes war its buissness for gun factories, many are ovned by senators etc...maybe JFK was killed he wantead peace in Nam and was whit black wrights ....
same idiots old communists are in Russia who would like to have a war , same Kim Mr N Korea underastimated true power of own army .... do you think N Korea has chache aganst USA and S Korea? China also said and are not happy about N Korea actions

Obama is smartest press so far
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  09.04.2014 at 01:56
Written by Bad English on 08.04.2014 at 11:51

Deaddone - those borders in ex USSR was that Stalin removed nativs from native land and send themd eep in Sibiria and send Russians and othe soviets in ... startegic mastermind, it works in Ukraine
Those Russians who was living in Baltics from tsar time, they were totaly aganst ussr and hated shit , those who remainded are still there and hates
it was ppl movement so they came there and ask Viggo

Stupid ppl are everywhere and USA likes war its buissness for gun factories, many are ovned by senators etc...maybe JFK was killed he wantead peace in Nam and was whit black wrights ....
same idiots old communists are in Russia who would like to have a war , same Kim Mr N Korea underastimated true power of own army .... do you think N Korea has chache aganst USA and S Korea? China also said and are not happy about N Korea actions

Obama is smartest press so far



JFK wanted peace in Vietnam? Sure an American peace. JFK supported South Vietnamese rearmament and increased number of troops (advisers) in Vietnam.


Obama is a good man, but I think he's out of his depth in the international field. America seems lost and rudderless under his direction.
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  09.04.2014 at 11:39
WTF in some kr town russian activists taken 60 hostages
Its act of teror ... does they know normaly special fources goes in to kill such ppl,

Rus justs aid something about Doku Urlamov is dead?

Crimea has big problems whit fuel ... If Ukr be smart they would not let anything goes to Crmea, or maybe payed for it 10 times more

Rus will get back to Ukr all its ships
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  10.04.2014 at 00:04
Written by deadone on 08.04.2014 at 03:02

The other Eastern European states do not. They are a defence parasite - they expect the Western Europeans and Americans to die for them.

Indeed the Russians could drive through most of these countries without encountering any siginificant resistance.


I can't really speak for the other Baltic states but Estonian leaders are trying really hard to please NATO. Wherever there's an intervention, eager boys from Estonia are dispatched and whenever an Estonian gets killed in Afghanistan, we hear eulogies in the vein of "He died for Estonia's freedom. He fought for NATO's cause and hence has bought us NATO's protection..." Many people find it tragic and ridiculous because, while there are those who think that NATO and the US are "our only hope", there's plenty of people who think that the Baltics are too insignificant for the US to sacrifice anything for them.
Also... Estonia has compulsory military service (just give up your job for a year but still pay the rent/alimony/food/etc... "But who told you to father a child/move away from the parents/get a job/start studying/get a life before fulfilling the duty before the homeland?") I think Estonia has done even more than necessary for NATO at the expense of many people who have won nothing. They would do more but the population is aging and growing smaller (we don't have money to bring up kids... therefore, we just don't have kids... those who can, they just emigrate to countries where one can afford giving birth to a child... if you have a kid here, you will get $20 a month from the state as child support... ok, if your wife manages to earn $400-500 a month... mayb you can get a job in Finland for $1000-2000 a month... then there might be a chance to raise a child...) and they are already spending enough... on anything but the people...

Oh... in case of a conflict, Russia could just start by turning the gas off...

Written by deadone on 08.04.2014 at 03:16

Borders were not solved after WWII. Borders are still an issue in Eastern Europe because they're artificial and not based on ethnic divisions.

Hence problems in Moldova, Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Georgia, Estonia etc.



That might be the case in the Caucasus region and around the Black Sea but I can, once again, speak for Estonia. It was colonised by Baltic Germans since the 12th or 13th century. There was a mass exodus of Germans in the 1940ies as all of them left like elves on white ships to the "undying lands" in the west... There had also been a Russian presence but it had never been very significant (the Baltic governorates were a distinct German-speaking area (Estonian, Latvian, Livonian and other aboriginal languages were spoken by the natives...) even when it was part of the Russian Empire)...
Russians were around 8% of the population during the first Estonian Republic during the interwar period. After the Baltics were incorporated into the USSR, a massive influx of labour force from Russia and other Soviet republics resulted in tripling or even quadrupling the percentage of non-native inhabitants.
At the moment, there's roughly one third of Estonia's population who are ethnic Russians. In Latvia there are more... around half of the population... Lithuania, by the way, has relatively small Russian minority...

I can bring one example of a dramatic demographic shift. Narva was a pretty nice town with Swedish baroque architecture. As most of it was destroyed during WW2, it was rebuilt as a new soviet industrial town. Plus, most of the original inhabitants were not allowed to return... instead, migrants were favoured... today, Narva is 98% Russian-speaking... There were other towns that, because of their strategic importance or because of the industrial/military/technical facilities located there, were declared "restricted communities" and, therefore, only chosen people could live there. This means that the original inhabitants (if they hadn't already fled, been deported or killed) were relocated so that more suitable "soviet personnel" could settle there.

Speaking of borders, Estonia and Russia finally signed the treaty... much to the chagrin of many people who now miss the official loss of one county and a part of another... Then again... Finland also lost part of their territory to Russia...
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  10.04.2014 at 00:29
Written by Ernis on 10.04.2014 at 00:04

.

Speaking of borders, Estonia and Russia finally signed the treaty... much to the chagrin of many people who now miss the official loss of one county and a part of another... Then again... Finland also lost part of their territory to Russia...


Finand lost 10% Estonia lost small part close to Narva, same did Latvia,Germany , Japan
and to be honest I dont care if Abrene aka Pitalov will be get back, better no, less probles, and so on

How many Estonians died in Afga? 3-10?

I have german hertigae as you know, history, my grndmother as child spoken erman ser gut, and her family also have german roots, even our lats name Schmit s german, so I have a little bit german blood as well whit alien
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  10.04.2014 at 02:27
Written by Bad English on 10.04.2014 at 00:29


How many Estonians died in Afga? 3-10?



9 killed including one in an accident
92 wounded to various causes.

Estonia's countribution has averaged some pioneer/sapper units and an infantry company on rotation - about 150 personnel at any one time.

War in Afghanistan is a low casualty affair though, even when compared to older insurgencies ala Vietnam or original Afghanistan.


Problem is none of this contributes to Estonia's defence. It's bloody insurance and the Estonians are banking on the Americans and Europe not coming up with a no pay clause.


A Finnish military study several years ago stated that there wasn't a real expecation of NATO defending Baltic States in case of a Russian take over, and that the Germans in particular would be opposed to NATO enacting Article 5.


A joint Baltic military would serve the Baltic States far better than a hodge podge of nothing mixed with hopes of NATO help.



And to be honest if the Russians did launch a surprise invasion of Baltic Statess, they would finish their invasion before NATO could react anyhow.


Hence any NATO "defence" of Baltic wou=ld have to be an offensive operation designed to kick the Russians out.

That would mean great destruction of Baltic States.
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  17.04.2014 at 09:40
So the Russian covert annexation of Eastern Ukraine has started whilst NATO countries rant and rave and promise to deploy more forces.

Let the Russians take the whole of the Ukraine. The Ukranians are not worth WWIII.

As someone once said "better Red than dead."
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  17.04.2014 at 13:23
Written by deadone on 17.04.2014 at 09:40

So the Russian covert annexation of Eastern Ukraine has started whilst NATO countries rant and rave and promise to deploy more forces.

Let the Russians take the whole of the Ukraine. The Ukranians are not worth WWIII.

As someone once said "better Red than dead."


but Ukr sodlers, those who are loyal will fight it wont be so easy as Crimea ... and Ukr canhave pareamilitary troops as serbs, croats, bosniaks had ... can be ethnic clensing as well
BTW Rus loyal troopsin one town ask all jews must come and have some permit to love there, they said if they wont they be arrested and deported whit all propherty conficaiso
Russia sick country
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  17.04.2014 at 13:42
Putin already lost. Attempts at rising up the pro-Russian oblasts of Odessa and Kharkiv have failed and only backfired and his tactic continues to backfire. Polls have shown that the Donbass and Lugansk have shown a growing contempt against Putin actions, the Donbass in particular don't like the separatists at all. The Pro-Russian side is not as big as anticipated. All Putin has done with his little joke in Crimea is strengthen the unity of Ukraine. The current Ukraine government maybe weak but there is no leadership for the Russian terrorists as well, they are a mix of corrupt autocratic business men, neo-nazi's and pseudo-communists. They constantly argue what should be done but they get nothing nothing done. Russia will not invade, 40000 troops are too little to take over the east of Ukraine, Putin's plan probably was that he hoped that the whole of East Ukraine would scream his name and ask for help. it would trigger a long guerilla war and further instability in Crimea, heavy sanctions and possible military intervention of NATO. The Russian economy is weak and can't take much more, the sanctions are already creating panic among investors, the Ukraine-Russian trade collapsed and Crimea is just more dead weight to it and then there were the costly Sochi Olympics and soon the even more costly FIFA world cup. The Russian army itself is also not that impressive. The whole "ethnical Russian are being threatened by neonazi's" failed spectacularly and nobody is helping Russia, only countries of no influence such as North Korea, Venezuela and Syria. The scary thing however is that Putin is cornered and he must do something fast for the longer he waits, the more the USA + EU assumes direct control on Ukraine and it will be all over and he will be remembered as "the guy that won us Crimea but lost Ukraine" and to an autocratic dictator who needs propaganda to control his people this is devastating. Hopefully the international community can contain this crazed megalomaniac dictator with Hitleresque tendencies.

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  17.04.2014 at 16:07
Finaly some uropian talks and in my kind a way thinking way but I talk about this shit many years ao in footbal tread, all made fun about me -.-- well same like Europe made fun about Baltics, now ''hey were wright''
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  18.04.2014 at 00:21
Written by deadone on 09.04.2014 at 01:56

JFK wanted peace in Vietnam? Sure an American peace. JFK supported South Vietnamese rearmament and increased number of troops (advisers) in Vietnam.

Obama is a good man, but I think he's out of his depth in the international field. America seems lost and rudderless under his direction.

I think JFK supported war in Vietnam against communists. I think so, as also seen in Born On The Fourth Of July.. No single one of vnese dude like me knowing about that thing.. Vcong hide bunch of truth about themself and their opponent..
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  18.04.2014 at 19:33
People from Krasnodar use a farry and sail to buy out Crimea because its much cheaper, Crimea locals are no happy ..... well maybe unified whit Rus leither on they will understand was a mistace?
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  21.04.2014 at 18:12
Written by deadone on 17.04.2014 at 09:40

. The Ukranians are not worth WWIII.




MI6 said same shit its not wortyh start WWIII and send britih troops in to Ukraine, since they are not NATO .. because it can creat full skill wat whit Russia (even MI6 cheaf said Rus will lost it (if no nukes can be used since NATOare strongest organistaion( bt victory be in what costs
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  24.04.2014 at 15:18
Did you read one of terrorist in Ukraien who is russian he said he will kill all diferebnt thinking, all ukraians and tourture them and wont let a ellections happen
we all know who is this sick bastard and what country are behind, he also say he is good father and also love shis mom

Millitary operation in East Ukr has started
Ukr army hold a gun hanger

Rus is moving they panzer

shame on germany that tahy ever signed some weapon deal whit Rus,s ame did France new war ships, mirage ighters---- how NATO can be so blind that ever sold guns there ...whit out west Rus troops be weeker, damn if that country wont have a nukes, NATO could easely enter there
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  24.04.2014 at 18:24
French certainly aren't selling any Mirage fighters to Russia, especially as Mirage 2000 went out of production years ago. They are selling amphibious warfare ships (aka helicopter carriers).


Nearly all equipment in Russian military is Russian.



And the Germans entered Russia in 1941 and lost the Third Reich for their efforts. Russia is a massive country with extreme weather and a people who are known through history for their ability to suffer. This isn't rumbling through Iraq 2003 or France 1940.
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  24.04.2014 at 19:30
Written by deadone on 24.04.2014 at 18:24

French certainly aren't selling any Mirage fighters to Russia, especially as Mirage 2000 went out of production years ago. They are selling amphibious warfare ships (aka helicopter carriers).


Nearly all equipment in Russian military is Russian.



And the Germans entered Russia in 1941 and lost the Third Reich for their efforts. Russia is a massive country with extreme weather and a people who are known through history for their ability to suffer. This isn't rumbling through Iraq 2003 or France 1940.


true ... but still NATO cant sell anything to Rus .... unless its program to explode when Mr Press push a botton

Yes but I was talking about bombing from the air something , one stelt nuke just kidding

Ukr stop anti terorsit operation because Rus can attack
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  25.04.2014 at 03:28
Written by Bad English on 24.04.2014 at 19:30


Yes but I was talking about bombing from the air something


And Russia has a fully functional airforce and air defence systems plus a fully functional navy with lots of submarines.

Even without nukes, Russia is still formidable and would have home ground advantage

This is not Afghanistan or Serbia or Iraq who can't retaliate.
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  30.11.2014 at 13:08
Election day in Moldova ... huge Rus troops movement in Transdnestria today
IMO Moldova can be fallen

and also Rus lost in Ukr more solders as US in 12 years and Imo 1/4 from what they did in Afga in 9 months.
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Written by Bad English on 30.11.2014 at 13:08

Election day in Moldova ... huge Rus troops movement in Transdnestria today
IMO Moldova can be fallen

and also Rus lost in Ukr more solders as US in 12 years and Imo 1/4 from what they did in Afga in 9 months.



Load of shit.


US and friends lost a total of 3500 killed and 23,500 wounded in Afghanistan as well as as at least 11,000 dead Afghan troops (not including wounded). There was also about 1,200 contractors killed and 15,000 wounded. That's about 16,700 killed and at least 38,500 wounded.

In Iraq they lost 5000 killed and 33,000 wounded. A further 18,000 pro-US Iraqi troops were killed with another 40,000 wounded. There were also about 1,500 contractor killed and 50,000 wounded. So that's 24,500 killed and 123,000 wounded.

All up US Allied casualties are about 42,500 killed and at least 161,500 wounded.


I mention contractors because they do a lot of the work that was previously done by military police, logistics, engineering units. The Russian military still performs these functions.


According to UN a total of 4,300-ish people have died in Ukraine of whom 1,000-2,000 might be Russians.


But bare in mind the Russians are engaged in heavy conventional fighting with both sides fielding tanks and heavy artillery. The Russians also don't have air support whereas the Ukranians do. This is more like the fighting in WWII which was very casualty intensive.


The US was for the most part involved in a low level insurgency against a poorly equipped and poorly funded opponent. The Taliban and Iraqi jihadis did extremely well given their resources.
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  01.12.2014 at 14:13
Afgan troops are not our boys and not NATO even are alies
Rus has lost 6000 men in Ukr maybe more in this period, US in how many years? and in the year times is to huge. I also read Rus solders are tired of this war and sending to Ukr, I heard some plans attempts to get rid of VP ... just wonder if it work out, in the movies it does.

UN troops in Iraq 1th invasion was better escaped, trained, protected as Rus solders who fought in Chechenia, straight from bootcamp, and alcoholism, corruption, and so on was strong there.

True Iraqi and taleban has no protetions and they till use AK as Rambo, just blaze and many don't know fire corrections whit mortal for example
NATO solders were better trained into both and had protections, and most died from bombs, I think 70% from suicide bombs and also mines.. you will not see suicide bombs in Ukr
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  02.12.2014 at 02:03
Written by Bad English on 01.12.2014 at 14:13

Afgan troops are not our boys and not NATO even are alies


They were fighting and dying for America. That makes them "ours."

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Rus has lost 6000 men in Ukr maybe more in this period,


No they have not. What proof do you have?


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Of course not. Ukraine is a proper war between proper military forces and not an insurgency against third rate underequipped insurgents. Both sides have tanks and artillery and Ukraine is using it's air force as well and have lost nearly two dozen aircraft to Russian air defences. Russian air force is not involved for political reasons.


Put NATO troops in the same situation (and no air support) and their casualties will sky rocket too.
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  02.12.2014 at 02:23
Deadone - they will be ours after time, how many inside killings was because of afgans?

I read that number in news and also hear on radio

I have not seen today Rus troops , but in Chechenia they were way back in the past
I am not talking about now, I have not seen Rus solders now, and if you ask me pro Russians as doneck army and those are big joke and clowns, look how they are dressed.
Ukr army are not battle experienced , well seems now they are , and yes its true what you said about aircraft, artillery and so on.

I suppose Rus has same basic shits as modern solder, but I did said in Chechenia 99 and so on , comparing to Amies in Iraq..

same time I Ukr died 2 times more maybe 3 as media says, c mon man, I hope you know it
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  02.12.2014 at 06:01
Written by Bad English on 02.12.2014 at 02:23

Deadone - they will be ours after time, how many inside killings was because of afgans?


Not that many. Maybe a few dozen at most.

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I read that number in news and also hear on radio

I have not seen today Rus troops , but in Chechenia they were way back in the past
I am not talking about now
I suppose Rus has same basic shits as modern solder, but I did said in Chechenia 99 and so on , comparing to Amies in Iraq..

same time I Ukr died 2 times more maybe 3 as media says, c mon man, I hope you know it



Numbers I quote are from United Nations.

You never said Chechnya, you said Ukraine:

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Rus has lost 6000 men in Ukr maybe more in this period, US in how many years?
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  02.12.2014 at 13:15
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Numbers I quote are from United Nations.

You never said Chechnya, you said Ukraine:

Written by Bad English on 01.12.2014 at 14:13

Rus has lost 6000 men in Ukr maybe more in this period, US in how many years?
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Did I ?
I was comparing Rus troops there and US in Iraq 1991 , equipment, armor , radios etc, also trainings and so on
I said I have not seen any pics from Rus troops in Ukr, cant judge and see what they look like and I also only have seen pro rus rebels, they are like half circus, running shoes, balea shoos and so on ....
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  23.12.2014 at 12:22
Deaone - your thoughts about Rus might give back to US CIA analyst what betrayed US and said to public secret CIA, NSA info (I cant remember his name) to US weaken their sanctions aganst Rus?=
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  23.12.2014 at 18:51
This little coup in Ukraine was purely done by the USA/NATO, because they wanted a base closer to Russia, so they can assure destruction of Kremlin and Moscow. So they sent their NGO, and their peeps, just like they did in Yugoslavia, and all hell broke lose, what they didn't count on was for Russians to sit idly and do nothing, so while chaos erupted in Kiev, the Russians made a move on Crimea, and at the same time sent troops to Eastern Ukraine. When the smoke cleared, EU/USA/Ukraine realized the fuck up and tried to correct it, but now what we have is a disaster. I find it interesting that no one is mentioning a crap load of US "advisers" in Ukraine, and a crap load of Blackwater people. The bottom line is, no one actually gave a shit about Ukraine, not the West or the Russians, Ukraine only served as the chess board where big powers can measure who piss farther.
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  25.12.2014 at 01:18
Written by Rasputin on 23.12.2014 at 18:51

This little coup in Ukraine was purely done by the USA/NATO, because they wanted a base closer to Russia, so they can assure destruction of Kremlin and Moscow. So they sent their NGO, and their peeps, just like they did in Yugoslavia, and all hell broke lose, what they didn't count on was for Russians to sit idly and do nothing, so while chaos erupted in Kiev, the Russians made a move on Crimea, and at the same time sent troops to Eastern Ukraine. When the smoke cleared, EU/USA/Ukraine realized the fuck up and tried to correct it, but now what we have is a disaster. I find it interesting that no one is mentioning a crap load of US "advisers" in Ukraine, and a crap load of Blackwater people. The bottom line is, no one actually gave a shit about Ukraine, not the West or the Russians, Ukraine only served as the chess board where big powers can measure who piss farther.


Nobody cares about Ukr indeed, but to what country Rus cares, Putin don't care about anything, want do good, donate money to starving ppl in Africa, and help in way EU helps
Rus didn't care about Ukr unless they were bitches , EU, US well non needs them, they are not ready to EU, many things must be fixed, but Ukr ppl needs and wnts be in UE, its people need, but rus don't understand ppl , never have and will, so its not his call, but ppl cal.
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