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Posted by deadone on 28.02.2014 at 03:41
Those frisky Ruskis are peeved off their little stooge in the Ukraine is gone.

They still control a massive naval base in Crimea and large chunks of the Ukrainian population are pro-Russian.


And there's news of Russian military build ups on the border and in Crimea itself:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article18446661.ab

http://forum.scramble.nl/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=103578

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/ryskt-stridsflyg-redo-for-attack/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26366700

I could see the Russians doing a limited incursion to secure a link between Russia and Crimean peninsula.


Either that or shut down natural gas exports and kill what's left of the Ukrainian economy .



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Rasputin

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  31.12.2014 at 18:30
Well that is not what EU advertises, it advertises prosperity for anyone who integrates and that did not happen and will not happen. So you condone them using radioactive materials in their bombs, instigating wars, toppling governments and playing the world police just like USA does? Interesting.

And our fucked up economies would not have been fucked up, if someone did not unleash its aggression and destroy our industry and infrastructure. And no, you do not admit to your fuck ups, you cover them up, just like you cover up the drug dealing, gun smuggling and organ extraction in Kosovo, because you let your pets do whatever they please, because your generals and politicians get a nice cut from it.

One thing I agree, we should take care of our corrupt government, but you know what is funny and interesting? You have to ask yourself who corrupted them and who's mission objectives are they executing? And the answer is EU and USA, because the end result would be another "peace keeping" mission and more destruction.

So get off your high horse of how great you are, you are no better than this Russia that you constantly bitch at. If we just compare the list of wars in the last 50 years, USA/NATO are way way way up there with invading, bombing and extorting. Russia does some things regionally, you do it Globally, but you just keep repeating to yourself that it is for a good cause, if that will help you sleep at night.
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  31.12.2014 at 20:40
Written by Rasputin on 31.12.2014 at 18:30

Well that is not what EU advertises, it advertises prosperity for anyone who integrates and that did not happen and will not happen. So you condone them using radioactive materials in their bombs, instigating wars, toppling governments and playing the world police just like USA does? Interesting.

And our fucked up economies would not have been fucked up, if someone did not unleash its aggression and destroy our industry and infrastructure. And no, you do not admit to your fuck ups, you cover them up, just like you cover up the drug dealing, gun smuggling and organ extraction in Kosovo, because you let your pets do whatever they please, because your generals and politicians get a nice cut from it.

One thing I agree, we should take care of our corrupt government, but you know what is funny and interesting? You have to ask yourself who corrupted them and who's mission objectives are they executing? And the answer is EU and USA, because the end result would be another "peace keeping" mission and more destruction.

So get off your high horse of how great you are, you are no better than this Russia that you constantly bitch at. If we just compare the list of wars in the last 50 years, USA/NATO are way way way up there with invading, bombing and extorting. Russia does some things regionally, you do it Globally, but you just keep repeating to yourself that it is for a good cause, if that will help you sleep at night.


EU 1th idea was no costume travel, even in 70's you can not so easy as now travel from France to Sapin
EU economics was destroyed in election circle when basically all countries vote in nationalists and when socialists lose

not really 1th of E Europe and Grece, Italy fucked all up whit stupid mentality then EU, US, ... why W Europe has no deep problems, east has still post soviet mentality

Rus does it yes, but now VP tries unite idiotism what whole E Europe suffer, non would care what he does in Chechenia, if he wont now in last year fucked up.
USSR is lost, Baltics is free and non wants back there evne Russian minority (what Rus media says they are discriminated, which is lies) (to not be rus hater I will say US media make same propaganda about invading Serbia as Rus TV does about Ukr ..)
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  26.02.2015 at 19:43
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  26.02.2015 at 20:43
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not all ... besides Rus has secrets , military experts say they use soviet army tacktics and non know how much nukes, subs and other things are on service...
Rus cant win modern NATO army , specially since most of military equipment modern are made in the West.

it means US can use satalite and jam Rus radars , how did they do whit Pakistanian when OBL was killed

but if its me my dessision, I never ever would give them anything and those sanctions should start whit gfass, oil and military insdustries
I want see week Russia weeker as in 1991 - 1995 and only NATO countries can have nukes
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  27.02.2015 at 00:03
Written by Bad English on 26.02.2015 at 20:43

not all ... besides Rus has secrets , military experts say they use soviet army tacktics and non know how much nukes, subs and other things are on service...
Rus cant win modern NATO army , specially since most of military equipment modern are made in the West.



When will you figure out technology is irrelevant especially when NATO is spineless and doesn't have the willpower to fight and the Russians field enough nuclear weapons to turn the USA and Europe into a glass car park.

The West doesn't have the will to fight Putin even if he chews up the Baltic states. A Finnish military report several years aho argued NATO would not get involved even if Russian tanks were rumbling through Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania mainly due to German political resistance. And now that the Russians have started in Ukraine, Germany just wants to appease them. Also some NATO partners like Hungary and even Greece are becoming very friendly with Putin. EU member Cyprus has just allowed the Russian Navy to use its ports.

The West has let Russia take Crimea. The sanctions on Russia for actions in Eastern Ukraine aren't stopping Russia. In fact they're hurting countries like Finland, Bulgaria and Hungary a lot too as well as the Germans. Basically EU and NATO are split between those who are anti-Russian regardless of what Russia does (USA and UK as well as Poland) and those who don't like what Russia's doing but don't want to hurt their economies or have WWIII start (continental Europe for most part)

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I want see week Russia weeker as in 1991 - 1995 and only NATO countries can have nukes



I think you and the rest of Western Europe will be turned into nuclear ash before the Russians let that happen. And the Germans will ensure this never happens - better to be under the Russian yoke than dead and your country a nuclear wasteland.


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  27.02.2015 at 01:36
Ausie one, ok Pakistan, India has nukes as well, unless Rus has not those I don't care what has it

BTW if there wont be USA MS might not exist ... in there would be big chance Rus would invade MS server city ... I suppose most of you don't have no clea where server is
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  27.02.2015 at 02:28
Written by Bad English on 27.02.2015 at 01:36

Ausie one, ok Pakistan, India has nukes as well, unless Rus has not those I don't care what has it


What do Pakistan and India have to do with a potential NATO-Russia war?.


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  27.02.2015 at 02:33
Written by deadone on 27.02.2015 at 02:28



Somewhere in Estonia from memory?



it is affirmative

about Nato -Rus war
Nato did not start it, it was Rus , violating all international laws, but same time where Ukr was in 1995? 2000 they could go to Europe earlier
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  27.02.2015 at 03:09
Written by Bad English on 27.02.2015 at 02:33

Nato did not start it, it was Rus , violating all international laws,


It's what big powers do - remember US invasion of Iraq was against international law too.

In any case there won't be a NATO-Russia war. West will let Russia swallow up Ukraine and even Baltic states without batting an eyelid.


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They were too chummy with Russians and too incompetent at running their own economy to ever engage properly with Europe.
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  27.02.2015 at 18:42
Iraq war was lawlegited becuz they werw assuming iraq saddam having destructionak weapons..
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  27.02.2015 at 22:46
Written by BestMetalstormer on 27.02.2015 at 18:42

Iraq war was lawlegited becuz they werw assuming iraq saddam having destructionak weapons..



You do realise that North Korea, India, Iran, Israel, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan etc have weapons of mass destruction in addition to USA, UK, France, China and Russia?

And under international law you just can't attack someone for having certain weapons.


Basically Iraq was illegal.
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  27.02.2015 at 23:13
The fact of having WMD itself was not the reason (even if false, as proven afterwards) but rather coz Irak did not respect the UN resolutions of disarment and inspections which was "perceived" as a threat by a few countries considering the recent military history of Saddam's regime. Obviously, this was once again a convenience to legitimize the actions (otherwise a couple of countries should be under military occupation if they truly wanted to inforce international laws) but that's how things work with this kind of crap.
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  27.02.2015 at 23:17
I cant say my opinion, when iraq war happened i was high school dude, no observe much...but afghan war becuz Sept 11, so Afghan war is war agaisnt terroism,.. serbian kosovo war under clinton was like war against conviction crime on humankind..iraq war was like saddam have mass destruction weapon, and crime saddam did that murdered 8000 Kurds..but i dont know, but i dont think they make a war with wrong reason, actually before the war they think its right.. that means its war with purpose.. if speaking from personal judgmental individual is different to speaking for justifying by war joiners... i mean usa can attack iraq for having mass weapon, murder kurds, support terroism alqueada (this is quite surprised why the hell so many bombing and terroistcal after saddam overthrew and terrioist floods over all iraq), but i dont know intermational law, could be UN stuff..
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  27.02.2015 at 23:19
Written by BestMetalstormer on 27.02.2015 at 23:17

I cant say my opinion, when iraq war happened i was high school dude, no observe much...but afghan war becuz Sept 11, so Afghan war is war agaisnt terroism,.. serbian kosovo war under clinton was like war against conviction crime on humankind..iraq war was like saddam have mass destruction weapon, and crime saddam did that murdered 8000 Kurds..but i dont know, but i dont think they make a war with wrong reason, actually before the war they think its right.. that means its war with purpose.. if speaking from personal judgmental individual is different to speaking for justifying by war joiners... i mean usa can attack iraq for having mass weapon, murder kurds, support terroism alqueada (this is quite surprised why the hell so many bombing and terroistcal after saddam overthrew and terrioist floods over all iraq), but i dont know intermational law, could be UN stuff..


Iraq never supported Al Qaeda - that was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and USA as never bombed or invaded them.

If human rights abuses, support of terrorism and ownership of WMD is enough to justify a US attack, then why hasn't the US attacked Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan, Qatar, Turkey, Iran, Syria, Israel etc

Indeed the USA supported jihadis in Libya and Syria, which is technically supporting terrorism in those countries. So should the US bomb itself?

No good or bad guys, just powerful countries doing as they please.
BestMetalstormer

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  28.02.2015 at 01:38
Its not what they do as for they please, its what they need to do when they can and in of being needed. the position of powerful guys among the group is not that easy for fun, more power more responsibility..

all of countries you mentioned, will be taken care as well, the point is time, even vietnam and china violates human rights, but its long run when nam will be taken care of. i would like to share this that after united nation and vietnam shared the humanrights oath commitment, convict are no longer must wear prisoner cloths at court, and can be non hand cuffed..all that human rights stuff and even animal care are made in nam effectively by the infulence of humanrights united nation, orgnization global care.. even indonesia, mexico, latin, current situation is not well, but usa do spread infuluence through finance and military to stablize.. all contry you mention, they are doing bad things too, but they know they are must be under usa and the western influnce and support the west, eg saudi arab, they themselfe violates human rights, but they currently support usa, if they dont they know they will be gone, thats also they dont support terroism.. same with pakistan... generally ppl there dont like usa too, but govern,ent cooperate with usa in term of Business of collobration, so at least the west and usa have the help in term govermental, so make all military purpose more success even without heart felt.. even the whole vietnam hates usa cuz usa fuking richm but generally, on diplomat business, they are partners.. united nation have a oath of fight spreading human rights the standard living etc over theworld, i got the picture of the oath content but forgot where to find, ill show you later..

all of country you mentioned are will be taken care later, they cant handle All immediately, need steps by steps, even afghan wanted usa help building economy but becuz of with soviet, so usa abadon afghan, so after taliban war, afghan dont trust usa and want usa soon leave..

in the case of jihads in syria, i dont quite understand the strategy of usa, but maybe they have no choice, jihad fight bal ashsad, but usa need to overthrow balashaad, or i think the price of jihad is cheaper than the syrian goverment so they want using jihad to fight balashaad.. you know both case you have only one option, best must calculated.. yea its still politics even the religious war..
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  28.02.2015 at 13:12
Written by deadone on 27.02.2015 at 23:19


Iraq never supported Al Qaeda - that was Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and USA as never bombed or invaded them.

If human rights abuses, support of terrorism and ownership of WMD is enough to justify a US attack, then why hasn't the US attacked Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan, Qatar, Turkey, Iran, Syria, Israel etc

Indeed the USA supported jihadis in Libya and Syria, which is technically supporting terrorism in those countries. So should the US bomb itself?

No good or bad guys, just powerful countries doing as they please.


I agree whit you , W world is stupid when help countries as Saudi, and those arab countries there and Pakistan ... support India, India will get over Kashmir whit fource and unstable situation between Pakistan and India is good for western world
Iraq was one big mistake , same was Bombing Serbia, even Serbia is friends of my country enemy's , Bosnians specially Bosniaks are against US and basically hates NATO activities, so it was waist of human lifes there, our boys died and they don't give back loyalty.

They did support Mojahadines in Afga against soviets, IMO in mid east they need Assad, kadafi, Husein , there must be military style ditctarors
Humen rights ,does isis gives them? 95% will pray allah no matter what, so they theoretically don't need humen rights and in those days most ppl had peace, 60% regime killed was extremists and modern isis. Egypt , Mubarak fought against muslim brotherhood, what is terrorist organization, so
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  28.02.2015 at 13:17
Russian opposition leader was killed in Moscow
I hope it will destabilize situation in Russia, there start more chaos, and maybe Putin will be take out from his place, better in execution style. week and unstabil Russia is best for EU, USA and peace In region. Pro E govement stop build military arsenal , but make better life for ordinary ppl. open marker, re organize all shit ,,, but leave military , in next 20 years US and som NATO alies be super modern, but Rus would be old,.. it means they wont be able fight. IMO best is in this side of Ural mountains can not be any Rus military base , same in Konigsberg, same rules as Ger has between wars ,
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Written by BestMetalstormer on 28.02.2015 at 01:38


all of country you mentioned are will be taken care later, they cant handle All immediately, need steps by steps


What crack are you smoking?

The USA has been helping a lot of these countries including selling them weapons, letting them crush democracy activists and churning out trade deals with them. US politicians love Arab political donations.

In fact the Middle East has turned to even bigger shit since the USA started invading countries. Basically they've destabilised the world and made Islamic fundamentalism stronger (they now control huge chunks of Libya, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria and Somalia) - good job Uncle Sam!



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in the case of jihads in syria, i dont quite understand the strategy of usa, but maybe they have no choice, jihad fight bal ashsad, but usa need to overthrow balashaad, or i think the price of jihad is cheaper than the syrian goverment so they want using jihad to fight balashaad.. you know both case you have only one option, best must calculated.. yea its still politics even the religious war..


The USA attacked Libya because the French and Brits decided it was good to divert attention from unfavourable domestic politics. Now they have a failed state that is heamorraghing weapons and jihadis to Africa (e.g. Mali and Boko Haram in Nigeria) and is creating a massive refugee crisis.


Syria is a case of the USA being too influenced by Saudis and hating Iran too much and also wanting to take out Russian influence in the region (Assad is friends with Russia). USA is essentially a Saudi puppet and has been since 1990s when the CIA helped Saudis in Afghanistan (including helping Osama Bin Ladin). And it all backfired when ISIS started taking over chunks of Iraq.


USA is not the good guy. I can't believe that you as a Vietnamese believe the USA is the good guy.

The USA destroyed Vietnam (and Laos and Cambodia), contributed to the deaths of up to 2.5 million civilians (2 million in Vietnam and 500,000 in Laos/Cambodia). It polluted your country with defoliants and munitions, destroyed your cities, supported ethnic cleansing and supported brutal dictators like Diem, Ky and Thieu. And when it didn't suit them politically, they just abandoned South Vietnam in 1975 and let the Communists overrun the place.

It was US action which led to creation of Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge and the USA let them carry on murdering another 1.4 - 2.2 million people. USA turned a blind eye to Khmer Rouge because they were pro-Chinese and anti-Soviet.


USA does what's in the best interest of Congress and their donors, not what's the best for the USA or the world.
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Written by Bad English on 28.02.2015 at 13:17

Russian opposition leader was killed in Moscow
I hope it will destabilize situation in Russia, there start more chaos, and maybe Putin will be take out from his place, better in execution style. week and unstabil Russia is best for EU, USA and peace In region. Pro E govement stop build military arsenal , but make better life for ordinary ppl. open marker, re organize all shit ,,, but leave military , in next 20 years US and som NATO alies be super modern, but Rus would be old,.. it means they wont be able fight. IMO best is in this side of Ural mountains can not be any Rus military base , same in Konigsberg, same rules as Ger has between wars ,


Russia will never be like France or Sweden or Germany. The Europeans had those delusions for 10+ years before Russia found it's strength and went back to being Russian (dictatorship, nationalism, military expansionism etc etc).

Europeans are stupid in thinking that Russians are the same as Western Europeans. They're not. Even the Eastern Europeans aren't same as Western Europeans hence massive corruption, unstable economies and growing authoritarianism in places like Hungary or Bulgaria.

In fact Western emphasis on cosmopolitan universalism is the death of the west as it ignores key differences between peoples and their motivations. The whole world doesn't want to drink Coca Cola and wear levis.

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In the next 20 years, most of Europe won't have any militaries. E.g. Belgium had 600 fighter planes in 1950s, 200 in 1980s and now has 60. It's planning on only buying 40 new ones. And that's quite large by European standards - countries like Czech Republic, Slovakia etc have only 12-14 fighter aircraft. Belgium and Netherlands no longer have tanks and many other countries only have 20-50 tanks, most of which are old Russian garbage ala T-72 or equally old NATO garbage ala Leopard I, M48 or M60 Pattons.

Even might Britain and France will have a measly 200-220 fighter aircraft each and maybe 200 operational tanks each (equivalent of a WWII armoured division of the type Hitler's Germany had 30+). Germany had in 1980s nearly 3000 tanks and 600 fighters and now has only about 200 tanks and 185 fighters (and that may shrink to 140 or less by 2020).


US military is also shrinking in size but still needs to cover Europe, Asia and Middle East so it's getting stretched.


And a lot of new "warships" being introduced in both US and European Navies are no where near as well armed as those in the 1980s. They are basically large patrol boats for intercepting pirates and refugees and not fighting Russian/Chinese submarines and surface ships.
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I know they wont but we need that country week
and that's the biggest truth you ever have said Russians and eastern Europeans are not same as western, I know what you mean, that's why I don't like mention my origin country since I conder me western.

I think biggest problem in E Europe is football, their fans are stupid and reason why Orban and idiots can rule. normal ppl don't like regime there, but normal ppl what don't consider them selfs part of nation but Europe, as I am and Orban's days are over I don't think he will win next elections

I know, I am, shocked how less we care about our armies, I think EU and NATO armies needs be 3 times bigger whit plains and so on as it was in WWII days, but when I will die who cares what happens actually
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I think biggest problem in E Europe is football, their fans are stupid and reason why Orban and idiots can rule. normal ppl don't like regime there, but normal ppl what don't consider them selfs part of nation but Europe, as I am and Orban's days are over I don't think he will win next elections


Dude if you think football fans are the biggest problem in E Europe, you've got to get out more.

The reason people support guys like Orban is cause being in EU is not making them any better off (at least visibly) better off. They still have growing income inequality, unstable economic growth and endemic corruption.

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I know, I am, shocked how less we care about our armies, I think EU and NATO armies needs be 3 times bigger whit plains and so on as it was in WWII days, but when I will die who cares what happens actually


Ain't gonna happen. Even with Russian ambitions, Europe and USA are continuing to cut back their forces. Sweden just announced they're going to disband another fighter squadron. They once had 600+ combat aircraft in 1980s and now will have less than 100. Such is the poor state of the Swedish military they were unable to find a single Russian submarine or intercept Russian bombers pretending to bomb Swedish targets in 2013.


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Europe didnt need army before and its funny I predicted Georgia, Ukraine in 90's '00s even old MS I talk about this shit, ppl thought I am idiot. one even apologies and understood what I mean when Rus SAM take down passenger plain.

football was methaforic, but many football hools are in Ukr front , in both sides, and WP groups is biggest domestic treath,,, I wish police would more fight agents E European ultras, I hope Greek new govemenet will get rid of that daiese , whole championship is poisoned.

I know it and swedes are stupid, finns to NATO is only way and re build armies .... whit out US we are fucked, and ppl don't understand it , I wish US would have new weapon what can be used aganst enemy and are powerful as nuke, and stays in US only use , but its my dreams

anyway back on topic Spanish cops arrested 7 red extremists what come from Russia from front ... I hope they will get life time in jail
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Europe didnt need army before and its funny I predicted Georgia, Ukraine in 90's '00s even old MS I talk about this shit, ppl thought I am idiot. one even apologies and understood what I mean when Rus SAM take down passenger plain.


Most people don't have a clue about foreign affairs and couldn't point out Ukraine or Georgia on a map.

A prominent American political scientist by the name of Samuel Huntington also accurately predicted Ukraine as well as conflict with Islam in mid-1990s in his Clash of Civilisations Thesis. The Europeans never liked this as it clashed with their "everyone is the same and is good and evil is only done by some mentally unstable individuals."


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I know it and swedes are stupid, finns to NATO is only way and re build armies .... whit out US we are fucked, and ppl don't understand it , I wish US would have new weapon what can be used aganst enemy and are powerful as nuke, and stays in US only use , but its my dreams


How about the lazy, spineless Europeans look after their own defence and don't rely on Uncle Sam to always look after them? EU as a whole has more people than USA and just as much money.

If I was USA I'd pull all troops out of Europe or I'd charge Europe the cost of running those forces. They want the USA defence umbrella, then they should at least pay for it.

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anyway back on topic Spanish cops arrested 7 red extremists what come from Russia from front ... I hope they will get life time in jail


Why? They don't even get life for murder in most of Europe. Hell some Muslim kid butchered his sister in an honour killing in Sweden and got like 4 years which was reduced to 2 cause he was a minor.


It's funny you hate nationalists but want countries to invest in the military and to kill Russians which are the ultimate expression of nationalism.



Personally I admire Putin. He has clear goals and acts accordingly. Unlike the West which at best just thrashes around like a clueless drunk having a siezure or at worst just shoves its head in the sand shouting "la la la". Though it means it sucks being a Ukranian or Georgian but then it sucks being a Libyan, Iraqi or Syrian too.
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I hate that guy same as Kissinger. Both was mandatory literature in my university , never read, it was like mandatory you know. Both are smart people and I respect them.

Baltic states pay for most of troops there, rooms, food, basics, US pay only transport costs. and its true Europe must wake up and re organize army, because we feed monster in the east what rises. if we never ever sold then modern shits what can be used in military it would be better, I know, you will tell they make own shit but , not modern sci fi shit

Because I want see those ppl dead, 7 people get jobs if they be executed.

I hate Putin and he had smart idea he wanted create cold war whit interest sferes, he takes Abhazia, Moldova, Ukraine or Donbas plus C Asia , if west would agree non of this would happen
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  Today at 19:57
Russia is Europe's neighbour and important partner. Neighbours should get along. Yet for some reason there are political parties who propagate tensions and create conflicts. Any message or expression of a wish of reconciliation and getting things right is met with bias and aggression because "Russia is so evil and wants to conquer us to turn the world into an undemocratic mess." If they really wanted it, they would have done that already. Ukraine was a mess of a state before the conflict escalated and it's sad what's happening there. Of course, there are a lot worse conflicts happening right now... Libya, Iraq, Syria anyone? One party always has to be 100% right... and yeh... Europe is torn between the money-hungry war mongers from Russia and their counterparts from across the sea... Putin, by the way, looks and acts rather down-to-earth... compared to the huffings and puffings of several other political figures who make it sound as if all hell is about to break loose... and there are plenty of those who buy it... and we have people like that here as well... and you know what they say to you? "You hate democracy! You want USSR back! You love Putin!" Fuck hell, no... why the hell do people need to pick between lousy options when there's a possibility of keeping the mind clear and trying to see that the world is not black and white... and yes, there are nationalist pigs in Russia who try to claim the opposite just like there are nationalist pigs in the Eastern countries... I won't involve Americans in this because it's not their issue and they most probably know nothing about this and therefore don't really have an opinion...
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  Today at 20:06
Ernis - yes and we wont go and they wont go anywhere and we will not have same border as between N and S Korea , but Rus is big treath to all Europe, E berliners should not sleep , Dresden folk as well.
Ukr was mess and are not ready for EU , its long way but its their folks dessision not Putin or Russia

Whole mid east is fucked because US and EU wrong policy, Hussein would be alive, regime be alive, ppl would have live, same goes to all N Africa, mid east. Isis -- gets US weapons as rebels turn back and became what they became 100% US faulth , but same time its far away and those groups are week, unfortunately they have our weapons, but Rus even I don't think all subs and nuke devices are working still can create WWIII ... if Belarussia would enter in Ukraine as Rus do now, NATO would bomb Minsk and Luksenko be dead and be pro Europian leader,

Rus has no smart politicans ... good one was killed, you know other , ?
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