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Posted by Arian Totalis on 20.01.2007 at 01:25
So I'm Taking Jesus Punchers Advice and Open a thread About Metalcore. Now This thread is about Metalcore in general, But I would like to Remind people that there is a difference between the crap Like Bullet for My Valantine/A7X and bands Like Shadows Fall and God Forbid. I would ask that any critisism tword this genre be Constructive, and anyone who makes unintelligent remarks will Be either Pwned by Myself or Reported to a Mod if it gets to out of hand.

But anyway, feel free to talk about some good metalcore. Nad if any of you are wondering why this is in the Alt. Metal forum, it's because I got tired of people whining at me about it. But anywho, let the discussion Commense.



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Hangar XVIII

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  08.04.2008 at 15:07
I don't really know, but I've been getting a little bit into some metalcore lately, mainly Killswitch Engaged and Shadows Fall.
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  08.04.2008 at 22:22
I like Killswitch Engage, Bullet for My Valentine, Shadows Fall and also Bullet For My Valentine, if you hate BFMV, congratulations.
I don't know if In Flames helped me to get into metalcore, their albums Colony (my fav) and Clayman have many sounds I find on the above bands, I'm the only one with this thinking?
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Abattoir

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  09.04.2008 at 09:04
I prefer more metalcore bands form USA, like Unearth, As I lay Dying, Himsa is also quite good band...but not so Killswitch Engage.
Generally the music is very good and the vocals must be mainly harsh, not clean.
Hangar XVIII

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  10.04.2008 at 15:10
Written by Abattoir on 09.04.2008 at 09:04

Generally the music is very good and the vocals must be mainly harsh, not clean.

I agree, I love the music itself, but once the clean vocals start it really throws me off. It's like trying to be emo, hardcore, and metal at the same time. I don't like that. Take out the clean stuff and it would be one of my favorite genres.

All my friends disagree with me though. They're all like: Yay! Clean! That's so original.

Well how can it be original if the entire genre does it?
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  10.04.2008 at 18:53
Written by Hangar XVIII on 10.04.2008 at 15:10

Written by Abattoir on 09.04.2008 at 09:04

Generally the music is very good and the vocals must be mainly harsh, not clean.

I agree, I love the music itself, but once the clean vocals start it really throws me off. It's like trying to be emo, hardcore, and metal at the same time. I don't like that. Take out the clean stuff and it would be one of my favorite genres.

All my friends disagree with me though. They're all like: Yay! Clean! That's so original.

Well how can it be original if the entire genre does it?


Yet at the same time, the screaming is getting a little old. So many bands think their so bad ass because they have some schmuck on stage who can scream into a PA. Sorry, but Fates Warning is much heavier than any Metalcore band out there. Screaming all the time just gets annoying. That is why I prefer bands like Demon Hunter who switch it up a lot, and the clean vocals of Ryan Clark are in no way "Emo".
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Arian Totalis
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  10.04.2008 at 19:16
Eh, I don't like the anxious sort of scream vocals, that truly is pretty damned annoying, as well as old. But I do like it when metalcore bands use REAL harsh vokills, like older Shadows fall, God Forbid, Unearth, Darkest Hour, etc.

But I mean, clean vocals can be good too, it just depends on how they're used.
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Number Juan

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  11.04.2008 at 00:11
I'm warming up to this genre. I still think most of it is not for me but Between the Buried and Me is a damn good band.
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Arwen

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  20.05.2008 at 13:43
It seems in general, that this kind of genre is listened by a lot of people who are passing you by every day on the streets and you would never tell by their look that behind this ordinary person is someone who likes speed and harsh vocals. Indeed, interesting, that metalcore brought a lot of new people to the metal scene, let us not forget that this scene is enlargening every year...only a pleasure.
I started to listen this genre one year ago and I'm glad I did; since then I have seen a lot of good concerts
some bands to be named from my part that are worth to be listened are Horse the Band and Genghis Tron from USA, the last one has some interesting electro darkwave elements in general mixture zith good vocals (just saw them yesterday on stage...fantastic )
Also I think good ones are Heaven Shall Burn and All Shall Perish, Bury Your Dead with hardcore elements, anyway not bad

Try them out and you could even start to enjoy...wow
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  20.05.2008 at 14:51
Written by Arwen on 20.05.2008 at 13:43

It seems in general, that this kind of genre is listened by a lot of people who are passing you by every day on the streets and you would never tell by their look that behind this ordinary person is someone who likes speed and harsh vocals.



This statement is a bit weird since I know loads of people that when you see them you could never tall by their look that they like balc metal, thrash metal, death metal, grindcore, etc. Hell I am one of those people you can't tell that I love extreme metal by looking at my appearance.
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Arwen

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  20.05.2008 at 15:06
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 20.05.2008 at 14:51

Written by Arwen on 20.05.2008 at 13:43

It seems in general, that this kind of genre is listened by a lot of people who are passing you by every day on the streets and you would never tell by their look that behind this ordinary person is someone who likes speed and harsh vocals.



This statement is a bit weird since I know loads of people that when you see them you could never tall by their look that they like balc metal, thrash metal, death metal, grindcore, etc. Hell I am one of those people you can't tell that I love extreme metal by looking at my appearance.


Yeah, of course, I was never saying that only those who listen metalcore are in this way, I was just pointing out that especially in this circle a lot of people are easy with clothing habits because this style is mixted a lot with non-metal styles like rap, hip-hop, electro etc... though of course there are a lot of differences among people, me too, for exemple, I like to dress up sometimes for concerts and I don't see anything bad about it
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  22.05.2008 at 13:44
Genghis Tron is not metalcore btw.
Gordon Freeman

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  23.05.2008 at 20:33
My personal favorite is Between the Buried and Me, they blend some great influences and do a very good job staying away from the scremocore crap and whiny scene kid lyrics.

Also The Red Chord, The Agony Scene, Bury Your Dead...uh, there's more. I'll be back.
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  30.05.2008 at 00:59
im not keen on metalcore, but i love chimaira and some of the early killswitch engage stuff
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  21.06.2008 at 01:16
Metalcore is all the rage here in my hometown...the big bands are In Order To Be Born, Saved By Sin, and Fathom Ties...there is a show here on Monday where they're mixing in a bunch of genres in with the metalcore bands...it should be a hoot...
Madame Nocturna
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  21.06.2008 at 02:11
My fav metalcore bands are definitly Lamb Of God, Killswitch Engage, Bleed The Sky, EkoTren, As I Lay Dying ...
b0000mst1ck

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  21.06.2008 at 04:46
Written by Guest on 21.06.2008 at 02:11

Bleed The Sky,

awesome band. i've been looking to hearing murder the dance for like a year now lol.

i've been listening to Xtrunk's "Not in Vain" for the last few days. they're a fresh metalcore band out of france, and i'd have to say i'm impressed. there's an abundance of gothenburg influences throughout, and their clean vocals have a brilliant sound to them. definitely worth checking out.
rebelos
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  01.07.2008 at 00:36
the best metalcore band imo are Arkangel check them out
dehydration
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  01.07.2008 at 00:42
I'm not too fond of metalcore, though I have nothing against it. Mathcore is preferred, like Converge and Dillinger Escape Plan. These are quite good.
Madame Nocturna
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  01.07.2008 at 15:57
Written by Guest on 01.07.2008 at 00:42

I'm not too fond of metalcore, though I have nothing against it. Mathcore is preferred, like Converge and Dillinger Escape Plan. These are quite good.


Check out Meshuggah (mathcore). Great band too !
And I recommand band Enter Shikari (technocore).


Sry on offtopic !
dehydration
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  02.07.2008 at 00:50
Written by Guest on 01.07.2008 at 15:57

Written by Guest on 01.07.2008 at 00:42

I'm not too fond of metalcore, though I have nothing against it. Mathcore is preferred, like Converge and Dillinger Escape Plan. These are quite good.


Check out Meshuggah (mathcore). Great band too !
And I recommand band Enter Shikari (technocore).


Sry on offtopic !

Technocore sounds cool. Thanks, will check them out. I had heard of Meshuggah but never really listened to them so far, except for a few songs.
LethargyMan

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  02.07.2008 at 03:20
Meshuggah's roots are very much not "-core". They're still great regardless.

And the bread-n-butter of today's metalcore, the breakdown, is something which I find particularly obnoxious when overused. They may as well be playing the cock-rock solos of the '70s. Nothing wrong with using them, so long as it actually has some sort of purpose other than "let's string together a bunch of HEEAVY parts for the moshers!".

I'm not biased against breakdowns so much as I'm turned-off by drunken moshy heavy pointlessness; which, if one utilizes the breakdown incorrectly, is exactly what one gets.

So yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the genre, but I've been flirting with it recently and finding some decent material.
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  05.07.2008 at 00:08
Written by LethargyMan on 02.07.2008 at 03:20

So yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the genre, but I've been flirting with it recently and finding some decent material.


If your looking for some reccomendations I'm going to have to go ahead and suggest you check out Between the Buried and Me, a much more progressive version of Metalcore minus any break-down abuse.
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LethargyMan

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  07.07.2008 at 21:13
Written by Gordon Freeman on 05.07.2008 at 00:08

Written by LethargyMan on 02.07.2008 at 03:20

So yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the genre, but I've been flirting with it recently and finding some decent material.


If your looking for some reccomendations I'm going to have to go ahead and suggest you check out Between the Buried and Me, a much more progressive version of Metalcore minus any break-down abuse.


Heh, actually that's who I was referring to. I had just picked up Colors earlier that week and found it quite pleasant.
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  07.07.2008 at 23:29
Written by LethargyMan on 07.07.2008 at 21:13

Heh, actually that's who I was referring to. I had just picked up Colors earlier that week and found it quite pleasant.


Well then...

...we're on the same page then.
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MortalTheory
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  08.07.2008 at 01:08
alright, I personally don't view bands like Shadows Fall as metalcore, but whatever, i don't want a genre debate. I still like shadows fall a lot, but these are my favorite metalcore bands: All That Remains, August Burns Red, Parkway Drive, Naera, As I Lay Dying, Avenged Sevenfold (Pre-City of Evil), As Blood Runs Black, Hatebreed, The Dillinger Escape Plan, etc.
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Perpetual Ascent

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  08.07.2008 at 02:56
Atm, i have been listening to the debut of Still Remains "Of Love And Lunacy". Right now, it's only metalcore band i can stand but sometimes the clean vocals annoy me a bit.
Madame Nocturna
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  23.07.2008 at 00:45
@ MortalTheory :

I don't agree about one band you named above in your comment - Hatebreed. Because Hatebreed is more HC/punk not metalcore.
Lady GaGa

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  20.08.2008 at 07:11
Hatebreed doesn't sound HC/punk at all lately, definately closer to a more Metalcore sound.

Personally, my favorites bands are Converge, Ion Dissonance, Between The Buried And Me, Zao, The Acacia Strain.
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brapp32

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  20.08.2008 at 17:51
the acacia strain are pretty good. I think they just put out a new cd yesterday. Parkwaydrive and august burns red are my 2 favorites right now. Scars of tomorrow and bleed the sky are both pretty good to.
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  20.08.2008 at 19:09
I can say that i'm officialy sick of Metalcore but sometime ago i listened to it pretty often.

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