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MichaelAngeloT

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  07.08.2014 at 13:25
Most of Metalheads believe that what we should call Metal is consist of heavy / power metal bands.
Apart from this,they all judge and criticise nu metal bands cuase they are not "Metal" as they tend to say.
Why??
Fallen Ghost
Proghead

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  07.08.2014 at 17:31
Because most of them are crap?

Okay seriously, what do you mean with underrated? I feel those bands are excessively overrated, take like Slipknot
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Karlabos
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  07.08.2014 at 18:17
Yeah, I don't think those are underrated as well. At least not the more maisntream ones
You did mention something about heavy/power fans criticizing them though... Well, on my experience with most metalheads which stick to their 10 favourite heavy/power metal bands and don't explore much further than that, I'd say they not only criticize nu metal but also everything they don't like with it:

"Death metal is just noise with a guy who doesn't know how to sing who have to growl as vocalist", "every black metal band is about that satanic sh1t", "avant garde metal doesn't exist. stop inventing genres, everything is metal lol." That's about it.
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Troy Killjoy
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  07.08.2014 at 19:06
Do you really not know why some metalheads don't consider nu metal to be metal or is this just an excuse to open a new topic.
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MichaelAngeloT

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From: Greece

  07.08.2014 at 20:20
Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.08.2014 at 19:06

Do you really not know why some metalheads don't consider nu metal to be metal or is this just an excuse to open a new topic.

Thats not it! i really dont get it cause for thema nu metaller is not a metalhead
MichaelAngeloT

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  07.08.2014 at 20:21
Written by Karlabos on 07.08.2014 at 18:17

Yeah, I don't think those are underrated as well. At least not the more maisntream ones
You did mention something about heavy/power fans criticizing them though... Well, on my experience with most metalheads which stick to their 10 favourite heavy/power metal bands and don't explore much further than that, I'd say they not only criticize nu metal but also everything they don't like with it:

"Death metal is just noise with a guy who doesn't know how to sing who have to growl as vocalist", "every black metal band is about that satanic sh1t", "avant garde metal doesn't exist. stop inventing genres, everything is metal lol." That's about it.

i agree with you dude
MichaelAngeloT

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From: Greece

  07.08.2014 at 20:23
Written by Fallen Ghost on 07.08.2014 at 17:31

Because most of them are crap?

Okay seriously, what do you mean with underrated? I feel those bands are excessively overrated, take like Slipknot


What im trying to say is that a nu metaller isnt a true metalhead,and thats crap
Ilham
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  07.08.2014 at 20:31
Written by MichaelAngeloT on 07.08.2014 at 20:23

What im trying to say is that a nu metaller isnt a true metalhead,and thats crap

Is this still an issue?

Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist

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  07.08.2014 at 20:31
Written by MichaelAngeloT on 07.08.2014 at 20:20
Thats not it! i really dont get it cause for thema nu metaller is not a metalhead

In that case... oh boy, where to start.

I'll be vague since I'd rather not write an article in response. Basically the hatred of nu metal and its fans boils down to elitism. The "true" metalheads looked at it as some kind of assault on the genre, and the fact that its popularity grew to the heights it did only compounded that hatred. I mean how dare these musicians take the most sacred form of music in metal and sully it with the influence of a sacrilegious genre of music like hip-hop. And to top it all off, these guys were dressing like wannabe MTV gangsters.

Sorry for the lazy response. I could probably write a solid 15-page paper regarding the sociological impact of nu metal and how it relates to the human psyche but... not worth it.
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  07.08.2014 at 20:50
Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.08.2014 at 20:31

Written by MichaelAngeloT on 07.08.2014 at 20:20
Thats not it! i really dont get it cause for thema nu metaller is not a metalhead

In that case... oh boy, where to start.

I'll be vague since I'd rather not write an article in response. Basically the hatred of nu metal and its fans boils down to elitism. The "true" metalheads looked at it as some kind of assault on the genre, and the fact that its popularity grew to the heights it did only compounded that hatred. I mean how dare these musicians take the most sacred form of music in metal and sully it with the influence of a sacrilegious genre of music like hip-hop. And to top it all off, these guys were dressing like wannabe MTV gangsters.

Sorry for the lazy response. I could probably write a solid 15-page paper regarding the sociological impact of nu metal and how it relates to the human psyche but... not worth it.

Well, that sure was the response back then, to both good and bad bands alike.

Now, I'll have to say it, most nu-metal is crap. Fun thing is, I think the bands that did a "real" rap / metal fusion (Rage Against The Machine / Clawfinger / Body Count) are far more interesting than most of the nu-metal bands. But maybe that's just me. Or maybe it's because I feel nu metal took the worst of both genres (crappy poser attitude and basic downtuned riffs to say "hey we're heavy")
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Fallen Ghost
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  07.08.2014 at 21:29
I'm not entirely sure of where the threadstarter are going with this..
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Lit.
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Age: 27
From: USA

  07.08.2014 at 21:37
There's about as much wrong with nu metal as there is with black metal or power or doom or whatever. Metalheads who think people who listen to nu metal aren't metalheads are not just wrong, but stupid. There are good nu metal bands and there are bad ones, but there's a sadly small minority of bands that actually make metal and rap vocals work nicely (Body Count, Korn and Slipknot are the few I really care for myself). MTV sucks.

I think that covers everything. Can this topic go die now?
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mz

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  07.08.2014 at 22:06
Written by Ilham on 07.08.2014 at 20:31

Is this still an issue?


You just got the word out of my mount. I really hate being called a metalhead.
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afu

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  08.08.2014 at 00:08
Once upon a time, in a land of milk and honey, musicians could try to follow their muse and also make hit records. Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Deep Purple, and other early metal bands had radio play and the ability to experiment. Then came punk. When punk and metal merged into things like Thrash, ambition became a dirty word and all kinds of people wanted to keep their bands in the little pocket of obscurity that they could claim as being theirs.

Then, the false idols of Hair Metal sprang forth from the deep and beget Pop Metal and the dreaded Power Ballad. The domination of airwaves made the underground squeal with righteous anger as each side began erecting walls and making rules about what was forbidden in their kingdoms.

But, yea, the great Serpent of Grunge came forth to slay the massively reverbed Pop Metal. The hobgoblins, Alt Rock and Industrial, came forth and harvested the spoils whilst proclaiming punk virtues. But all was not well. The Big 4 Horsemen shed their spikes and studs and entered into the fray in a new form: Mainstream Heavy Metal!!!!

Then the unthinkable happened: Faith No More and Korn experimented with Rap, Funk, and Industrial and gained market share and accolades. Then, the Biscuit of Limp and Slipknot grew their fan base to the point of riding a crest into what was now the wasteland of popular music. Thus, Metal was soon flooded with the same sort of second rate, false idols that felled the Hair Metal and Thrash Metal Gods. Instead of disdain, these poseurs were again beset by the pussy and money of Pop Metal and, also, Ozzfest tours.
Lit.
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  08.08.2014 at 00:56
Written by afu on 08.08.2014 at 00:08

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deadone
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  08.08.2014 at 01:58
Written by afu on 08.08.2014 at 00:08

Once upon a time, in a land of milk and honey, musicians could try to follow their muse and also make hit records. Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Deep Purple, and other early metal bands had radio play and the ability to experiment. Then came punk. When punk and metal merged into things like Thrash, ambition became a dirty word and all kinds of people wanted to keep their bands in the little pocket of obscurity that they could claim as being theirs.

Then, the false idols of Hair Metal sprang forth from the deep and beget Pop Metal and the dreaded Power Ballad. The domination of airwaves made the underground squeal with righteous anger as each side began erecting walls and making rules about what was forbidden in their kingdoms.

But, yea, the great Serpent of Grunge came forth to slay the massively reverbed Pop Metal. The hobgoblins, Alt Rock and Industrial, came forth and harvested the spoils whilst proclaiming punk virtues. But all was not well. The Big 4 Horsemen shed their spikes and studs and entered into the fray in a new form: Mainstream Heavy Metal!!!!

Then the unthinkable happened: Faith No More and Korn experimented with Rap, Funk, and Industrial and gained market share and accolades. Then, the Biscuit of Limp and Slipknot grew their fan base to the point of riding a crest into what was now the wasteland of popular music. Thus, Metal was soon flooded with the same sort of second rate, false idols that felled the Hair Metal and Thrash Metal Gods. Instead of disdain, these poseurs were again beset by the pussy and money of Pop Metal and, also, Ozzfest tours.



Hilarious and a with a large dose of truth.

The bit about "ambition becom(ing)" a dirty word" is especially true. It's why many metalheads don't regard Glam, Nu or even Metalcore as metal. Success is a dirty word in metal.

I remember an interview with Dan Liker about the hardcore scene at the time Nuclear Assault was in its prime. One thing he said was, if you sold records you were considered a sellout, but if you had a job you were also still a sellout. Metal is like that to varying degrees.

At the time Nu-metal came out, they were pretty much shunned by the underground/old school as "non-metal." At the same time, the mainstream press often described traditional forms of metal as stagnant and effectively obsolete. Convergence has happened since due to some Nu-metal fans developing into "true metal" fans and not totally disowning their nu-metal roots.
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nobody

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  08.08.2014 at 02:32
Underrated yeah wright , limp bizkit and such crap was on MTv 2 and all alternative music channels when I grow, how much was so called true metal?
nowadays its simply forgotten, its all
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  08.08.2014 at 03:45
Written by afu on 08.08.2014 at 00:08

Once upon a time, in a land of milk and honey, musicians could try to follow their muse and also make hit records. Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Deep Purple, and other early metal bands had radio play and the ability to experiment. Then came punk. When punk and metal merged into things like Thrash, ambition became a dirty word and all kinds of people wanted to keep their bands in the little pocket of obscurity that they could claim as being theirs.
Then, the false idols of Hair Metal sprang forth from the deep and beget Pop Metal and the dreaded Power Ballad. The domination of airwaves made the underground squeal with righteous anger as each side began erecting walls and making rules about what was forbidden in their kingdoms.
But, yea, the great Serpent of Grunge came forth to slay the massively reverbed Pop Metal. The hobgoblins, Alt Rock and Industrial, came forth and harvested the spoils whilst proclaiming punk virtues. But all was not well. The Big 4 Horsemen shed their spikes and studs and entered into the fray in a new form: Mainstream Heavy Metal!!!!
Then the unthinkable happened: Faith No More and Korn experimented with Rap, Funk, and Industrial and gained market share and accolades. Then, the Biscuit of Limp and Slipknot grew their fan base to the point of riding a crest into what was now the wasteland of popular music. Thus, Metal was soon flooded with the same sort of second rate, false idols that felled the Hair Metal and Thrash Metal Gods. Instead of disdain, these poseurs were again beset by the pussy and money of Pop Metal and, also, Ozzfest tours.

I lost half of my IQ reading this, and now I don't know anymore how much is potato.
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afu

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Age: 37
From: USA
  08.08.2014 at 09:02
My attempt at humor was at least better than the insults, especially a video from a outrageously stupid movie. I'm going to go cry now.

And in case any of you missed the OP's point: it wasn't about album sales or MTV. It was about the "TRUE METAL (TM)" listeners who dismiss it. It boils down to the same elitism that was present during the late '80s and jumping onto one bandwagon or another.
M C Vice
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  08.08.2014 at 11:46
Written by afu on 08.08.2014 at 09:02

My attempt at humor was at least better than the insults, especially a video from a outrageously stupid movie. I'm going to go cry now.

I thought it was funny.
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afu

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  08.08.2014 at 17:41
Written by M C Vice on 08.08.2014 at 11:46

Written by afu on 08.08.2014 at 09:02

My attempt at humor was at least better than the insults, especially a video from a outrageously stupid movie. I'm going to go cry now.

I thought it was funny.


I forgot to add the [sarcasm] tag at the end.
BitterCOld
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  08.08.2014 at 22:17
Written by afu on 08.08.2014 at 00:08

Once upon a time, in a land of milk and honey, musicians could try to follow their muse and also make hit records. Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Deep Purple, and other early metal bands had radio play and the ability to experiment. Then came punk. When punk and metal merged into things like Thrash, ambition became a dirty word and all kinds of people wanted to keep their bands in the little pocket of obscurity that they could claim as being theirs.

Then, the false idols of Hair Metal sprang forth from the deep and beget Pop Metal and the dreaded Power Ballad. The domination of airwaves made the underground squeal with righteous anger as each side began erecting walls and making rules about what was forbidden in their kingdoms.

But, yea, the great Serpent of Grunge came forth to slay the massively reverbed Pop Metal. The hobgoblins, Alt Rock and Industrial, came forth and harvested the spoils whilst proclaiming punk virtues. But all was not well. The Big 4 Horsemen shed their spikes and studs and entered into the fray in a new form: Mainstream Heavy Metal!!!!

Then the unthinkable happened: Faith No More and Korn experimented with Rap, Funk, and Industrial and gained market share and accolades. Then, the Biscuit of Limp and Slipknot grew their fan base to the point of riding a crest into what was now the wasteland of popular music. Thus, Metal was soon flooded with the same sort of second rate, false idols that felled the Hair Metal and Thrash Metal Gods. Instead of disdain, these poseurs were again beset by the pussy and money of Pop Metal and, also, Ozzfest tours.


I found this hilarious. And agree.
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Guib

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  08.08.2014 at 23:00
Written by afu on 08.08.2014 at 00:08

Once upon a time, in a land of milk and honey, musicians could try to follow their muse and also make hit records. Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Deep Purple, and other early metal bands had radio play and the ability to experiment. Then came punk. When punk and metal merged into things like Thrash, ambition became a dirty word and all kinds of people wanted to keep their bands in the little pocket of obscurity that they could claim as being theirs.

Then, the false idols of Hair Metal sprang forth from the deep and beget Pop Metal and the dreaded Power Ballad. The domination of airwaves made the underground squeal with righteous anger as each side began erecting walls and making rules about what was forbidden in their kingdoms.

But, yea, the great Serpent of Grunge came forth to slay the massively reverbed Pop Metal. The hobgoblins, Alt Rock and Industrial, came forth and harvested the spoils whilst proclaiming punk virtues. But all was not well. The Big 4 Horsemen shed their spikes and studs and entered into the fray in a new form: Mainstream Heavy Metal!!!!

Then the unthinkable happened: Faith No More and Korn experimented with Rap, Funk, and Industrial and gained market share and accolades. Then, the Biscuit of Limp and Slipknot grew their fan base to the point of riding a crest into what was now the wasteland of popular music. Thus, Metal was soon flooded with the same sort of second rate, false idols that felled the Hair Metal and Thrash Metal Gods. Instead of disdain, these poseurs were again beset by the pussy and money of Pop Metal and, also, Ozzfest tours.


Awesome... +1, it just flows so well.
also.. Fuck elitists... unless they bash on Babymetal.
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Ilham
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  09.08.2014 at 00:36
Written by Guib on 08.08.2014 at 23:00
also.. Fuck elitists... unless they bash on Babymetal.
You don't have to be an elitist to bash Babymetal. Anyone with ears can.
Guib

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  09.08.2014 at 01:04
Written by Ilham on 09.08.2014 at 00:36

Written by Guib on 08.08.2014 at 23:00
also.. Fuck elitists... unless they bash on Babymetal.
You don't have to be an elitist to bash Babymetal. Anyone with ears can.


True
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Kennoth

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  27.08.2014 at 06:23
Depends on what you mean by underrated. It's true that there are some gems in the genre and that people seem to dismiss it too easily because it's popular to do so. It's also one of the easiest (sub)genres to take a piss at. However, underrated is not really the word I would use, since nu-metal was one of the commercially most popular branches of metal music in its time.
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Kennoth

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  27.08.2014 at 06:25
Written by Ilham on 07.08.2014 at 20:31

Written by MichaelAngeloT on 07.08.2014 at 20:23

What im trying to say is that a nu metaller isnt a true metalhead,and thats crap

Is this still an issue?




Yeah, funny how this is actually still a thing, a decade since nu-metal was last relevant.
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Flatulent Walrus

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  28.08.2014 at 21:16
Nu-metal will always get flak, and I believe rightly so, because it basically just took whatever else was popular in the mainstream and chucked a load of bass at it.

I think that accounts for most of it, although there are certainly plenty of other musical reasons to dislike it.

In its defense, I will concede that nu-metal did think outside the box in as far as bringing in things like rap and turntables etc. I can't stand the ingredients it brought into metal, but the better bands within that canon should at least be credited for asking the question 'how can we use x in a metal way'. It didn't work for me. But then, if you take something like folk-metal, that is asking similarly heretical questions in places - 'how can you use a flute in a metal way?' for instance. There are plenty of metalheads who will think that line of thinking is ridiculous. But I applaud anyone for trying something a bit different, even if I don't necessarily like it.
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  01.09.2014 at 14:48
Written by Flatulent Walrus on 28.08.2014 at 21:16

..nu-metal did think outside the box in as far as bringing in things like rap and turntables etc.


nope, since both rap and turntables were introduced into metal via thrash, rap more or less in 1987 by Anthrax in I Am The Man and turntables were already used in 1989 on the album Fool's Game by Mordred.
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Lit.
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  01.09.2014 at 19:30
Oh, the irony.
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