R'Vannith ghedengi
Posts: 3099 From: Australia |
Very explanatory review. From my perspective I think you're right, this really is much more accessible to me. I'm a few tracks in and it sounds considerably different from what I remember of IV. That one went for more of an outright avant-garde approach in terms of song structures from what I remember. This seems to have more of a basis in post-black metal shoegazing, as you explained. More of a melodic foundation. Interesting music as usual.
Whenever I think of experimental metal, this is one of the first and most recent projects that come to mind, if I need a point of reference or a pertinent example.
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LascaillesShroud
Posts: 164 From: USA |
Listening to this, and halfway through, it' oddly enjoyable yet strenuous to listen to. It tires me out with it's abrasion and kind overly dense bass/ low end at parts where it feels like its putting pressure on my head.
Yet I still enjoy it for some reason, despite its demanding nature and tonality. Might even purchase this.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
Posts: 5932 From: USA |
Written by R'Vannith on 07.09.2014 at 17:16
From my perspective I think you're right, this really is much more accessible to me. I'm a few tracks in and it sounds considerably different from what I remember of IV. That one went for more of an outright avant-garde approach in terms of song structures from what I remember. This seems to have more of a basis in post-black metal shoegazing, as you explained. More of a melodic foundation. Interesting music as usual.
Thankfully it doesn't really diminish the quality of the music, I mean it's not like a band making their sound more familiar to please fans, the guy's trying something new and it's still working great. I don't really listen to much shoegaze (don't like it too much honestly) so I can't really compare too much, but I'll say this album's definitely perhaps shoegaze influenced. Quite interesting sound indeed.
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I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.
~ II. VII
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R'Vannith ghedengi
Posts: 3099 From: Australia |
Written by Auntie Sahar on 09.09.2014 at 01:52
Thankfully it doesn't really diminish the quality of the music, I mean it's not like a band making their sound more familiar to please fans, the guy's trying something new and it's still working great. I don't really listen to much shoegaze (don't like it too much honestly) so I can't really compare too much, but I'll say this album's definitely perhaps shoegaze influenced. Quite interesting sound indeed.
Having listened to this a few times now, there's no doubt that it's unconventional. There's no diminishing in terms of quality here, if anything it's a step forward with more structural integrity. The fact that this guy can apply the dulcimer to create music within a shoegazing context is an experiment in itself, whether it's a more accessible sound is largely irrelevant in terms of how experimental Botanist's work is, I think. I can count on one finger the amount of times I've heard a dulcimer being used to create a shoegazing kind of sound. A dulcimer used to replicate any kind of style, whether it be a more avant-garde black as the previous ones seemed to be, or this shoegaze influenced sound (perhaps my stating that it was a "basis" is wording it too strongly) is ambitious in my book.
This is still very much on the avant-garde side of black metal, don't get me wrong. I didn't mean to suggest that it's getting anywhere close to generic or anything.
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Boxcar Willy yr a kook
Posts: 8962 From: Canada |
09.09.2014 - 07:00Rating: 7
I hear lots of shoe gaze in this, and it's a bummer he went in that trend.
IS NOTHING SACRED
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
Posts: 5932 From: USA |
Written by Boxcar Willy on 09.09.2014 at 07:00
I hear lots of shoe gaze in this, and it's a bummer he went in that trend.
Went in that trend? Lol this isn't Deafheaven or AAFCC, by a long shot. Again, shoegaze influenced, perhaps, but it's definitely not a shoegaze album.
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I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.
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Auntie Sahar Drone Empress
Posts: 5932 From: USA |
Written by R'Vannith on 09.09.2014 at 06:49
Having listened to this a few times now, there's no doubt that it's unconventional. There's no diminishing in terms of quality here, if anything it's a step forward with more structural integrity. The fact that this guy can apply the dulcimer to create music within a shoegazing context is an experiment in itself, whether it's a more accessible sound is largely irrelevant in terms of how experimental Botanist's work is, I think. I can count on one finger the amount of times I've heard a dulcimer being used to create a shoegazing kind of sound. A dulcimer used to replicate any kind of style, whether it be a more avant-garde black as the previous ones seemed to be, or this shoegaze influenced sound (perhaps my stating that it was a "basis" is wording it too strongly) is ambitious in my book.
Indeed, it kinda seems like the guy is saying "let me explore a more popular sound from my own interpretation," which is an interesting technique in itself. People are more familiar with the sound you're employing, but you're still using it within your own definitions.
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I am the Magician and the Exorcist. I am the axle of the wheel, and the cube in the circle. “Come unto me” is a foolish word: for it is I that go.
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Daggon Underpaid M.D.
Posts: 1689 From: Mexico |
04.10.2014 - 22:00Rating: 7
DaggonUnderpaid M.D.Posts: 1689 From: Mexico
Just listened to this one for the first time, and I can say that even if it sounds like Otrebor is exploring new horizons, it still maintains that "organic" atmosphere that makes this project different from the vast amount of Black metal albums out there. I prefer his previous efforts over Flora, but it's an enjoyable album nonetheless.
Spot-on review by the way!
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"Les vers savent qu'ils n'ont pas d'ailes, c'est pour cela qu'ils se cachent sous terre"
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Karlabos Meat and Potatos
Posts: 5658 From: Brazil |
04.10.2014 - 22:41Rating: 9
KarlabosMeat and PotatosPosts: 5658 From: Brazil
Written by Boxcar Willy on 09.09.2014 at 07:00
I hear lots of shoe gaze in this, and it's a bummer he went in that trend.
I always thought you were a shoegaze fan
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Boxcar Willy yr a kook
Posts: 8962 From: Canada |
05.10.2014 - 02:37Rating: 7
Written by Karlabos on 04.10.2014 at 22:41
Written by Boxcar Willy on 09.09.2014 at 07:00
I hear lots of shoe gaze in this, and it's a bummer he went in that trend.
I always thought you were a shoegaze fan
A huge shoegaze fan, I just don't think this is the appropriate place for it.
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Karlabos Meat and Potatos
Posts: 5658 From: Brazil |
05.10.2014 - 16:49Rating: 9
KarlabosMeat and PotatosPosts: 5658 From: Brazil
Written by Boxcar Willy on 05.10.2014 at 02:37
A huge shoegaze fan, I just don't think this is the appropriate place for it.
Well, as for me I'm loving the dulcimergaze. And to be honest it's good if he keeps adding influences from other genres. The dulcimer bm idea is good but it's not that good if he just keeps repeating it over and over again, so I think he's right.
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Boxcar Willy yr a kook
Posts: 8962 From: Canada |
07.10.2014 - 00:42Rating: 7
Written by Karlabos on 05.10.2014 at 16:49
Written by Boxcar Willy on 05.10.2014 at 02:37
A huge shoegaze fan, I just don't think this is the appropriate place for it.
Well, as for me I'm loving the dulcimergaze. And to be honest it's good if he keeps adding influences from other genres. The dulcimer bm idea is good but it's not that good if he just keeps repeating it over and over again, so I think he's right.
His sound was very unique and I'm disappointed he went in the direction to include something that many other bands do (better, too).
There was only one experimental-dulcimer-black metal band, versus 1000 blackgaze bands. Now there's no experimental-dulcimer-black metal and 1001 blackgaze bands.
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