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Original post

Posted by Groby94, 11.10.2014 - 19:08
I just noticed this happening today. I checked all of the top albums this year and most of their ratings suddenly went down, and that's because of several 1 ratings appeared out of nowhere during the night.

Something should be done about this, not because of stupid reasons as "my favorite band isn't 1st place omg". The rating system should reflect the real overall opinion of the users on the album (duh), and it should help other users decide whether they would want to give the album a shot or not (among other factors, of course).
22.03.2016 - 19:14
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by Karlabos on 22.03.2016 at 15:50

^ and have "ss" in the end of their nick

Woah that was dumb move on whoever created those accounts. Didn't notice that - I was half-asleep...still am
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23.03.2016 - 02:21
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by LeKiwi on 22.03.2016 at 07:02

Just thought I'd point out that 5 out of 6 of the users who gave this album a 1 registered on the same day and have the same votes.

Done, done, done, done and done. Dankes!
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04.04.2016 - 13:55
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Not sure if this would be considered rating abuse. All but one of his ratings are either 10 or 1, and he seems to be targeting either Top 10/20 albums of the year and Top 200 albums of all time.
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04.04.2016 - 14:02
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Here are four more, definitely abuse and targeting top 200: user #1, user #2, user #3, and user #4. This last one is questionable: user #5.
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04.04.2016 - 15:48
Karlabos
Meat and Potatos
^ What if they do it whilst listening to music? =D
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04.04.2016 - 15:50
Marcel Hubregtse
Grumpy Old Fuck
Written by Irritable Ted on 04.04.2016 at 14:57

Again, does it really matter?


Nope, it doesn't. It only matters to those people because it hurts their beloved albums. I would say it is an extreme form of insecurity that this sort of 'abuse' matters to others.
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04.04.2016 - 15:56
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by Irritable Ted on 04.04.2016 at 14:57

Again, does it really matter? The time you are taking creeping through other peoples profiles, you could be listening to the music.

Multitasking, friend

Marcel, do you think I'll recover? It took me a whole five minutes to find these profiles.

Edit: I would be doing this even if they were bands that I couldn't care less about and, indeed, some of the affected ones are. I'm aware that the effect of these votes is minimal, but if it weren't for users regularly pointing them out, the effect might prove more profound, especially for bands with a lower number of votes. Plus, I like to fix things, even if it's futile
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06.04.2016 - 18:53
psykometal
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Written by LeKiwi on 04.04.2016 at 13:55

Not sure if this would be considered rating abuse. All but one of his ratings are either 10 or 1, and he seems to be targeting either Top 10/20 albums of the year and Top 200 albums of all time.

This one done. Gotta go to work now, so I'll look into the other ones when I get home later...
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15.04.2016 - 06:54
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by LeKiwi on 04.04.2016 at 14:02

Here are four more, definitely abuse and targeting top 200: user #1, user #2, user #3, and user #4. This last one is questionable: user #5.

Finally got around to doing these. Dankes.
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15.04.2016 - 17:23
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by psykometal on 15.04.2016 at 06:54

Finally got around to doing these. Dankes.

Quick question: do you remove their permission to vote as well?
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15.04.2016 - 17:56
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by LeKiwi on 15.04.2016 at 17:23

Quick question: do you remove their permission to vote as well?

Not right off the bat. I delete the votes and send them a warning PM first.
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15.04.2016 - 18:56
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by psykometal on 15.04.2016 at 17:56

Not right off the bat. I delete the votes and send them a warning PM first.

Ahh, good to know
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30.04.2016 - 18:06
Nihil Aeternum

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30.04.2016 - 18:42
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by Nihil Aeternum on 30.04.2016 at 18:06

This guy has (at least) 7 profiles with hundreds of 1 and 10 ratings. Currently, last login was at the same time (80-81 hours ago) for all accounts:

So one should probably delete 6 of them.

Holy fuck beans! This nigga actually had 14 separate accounts, all with hundreds of 1 and 10 votes manipulating multiple annual Top 20 charts, and the Top 200 chart. Totalbanned all 14 of them.

Hundreds of albums just got a considerably more realistic ratings.

And none of these you found on your own was even the original... http://metalstorm.net/users/lte1/profile
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30.04.2016 - 18:50
Nihil Aeternum

Written by psykometal on 30.04.2016 at 18:42

Totalbanned all 14 of them.


High five!
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01.05.2016 - 02:48
Benthran

Whoah!14 accounts?This guy must have no life.
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01.05.2016 - 05:17
Karlabos
Meat and Potatos
Whenever you're thinking your hobby is useless, remember this kind of guy exists
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18.08.2016 - 17:12
Risto
Wandering Midget
I reckon Mold of Tree's voting pattern counts as abuse: http://metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=160521&r_order=rating
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01.10.2016 - 21:57
Nihil Aeternum

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03.10.2016 - 03:44
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by Nihil Aeternum on 01.10.2016 at 21:57

And another one: http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=153007

Thanks.
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07.10.2016 - 04:09
Nicko's Nose

Another one: http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=151073

Look how many 2016 albums he gave 1s to.
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18.10.2016 - 06:56
Nicko's Nose

Written by Nicko's Nose on 07.10.2016 at 04:09

Another one: http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=151073

Look how many 2016 albums he gave 1s to.

Bump.
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18.10.2016 - 14:42
Karlabos
Meat and Potatos
Written by Guest on 18.10.2016 at 13:54

I can understand that rating abuse is annoying sometimes, but seriously, does it really matter that much? Important is that you listen to the music and form an opinion on your own. I honestly dont care if some of my favourite albums get downvoted because of some idiots.

Well it would be good for a rating displayed on a public website to be a somewhat accurate representation of popular opinion and not influenced by multi-account spammers, right? Otherwise there would be quite no use for the ratings...
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18.10.2016 - 18:10
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by Nicko's Nose on 18.10.2016 at 06:56

Bump.

2016 is the only year that I would consider they appear to be actually attempting to manipulate ratings. The other years have a decently wide variation across the color spectrum.
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19.10.2016 - 17:56
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by Guest on 19.10.2016 at 12:14

Well, sure. But how about all the ratings between? I've seen people who give something like 100 albums a 10 and have an average rating of about 9.5, which is honestly the same bullshit as downvoting albums to benefit favourite albums. Why not nuke these votes too? In this case, there will never be an entirely accurate representation of the votes.

We do, sometimes. Especially when they comment that they actually feel like many of those albums are actually 8 or 9 quality but they intentionally put 10s on them because they are trying to counter the negative votes on those albums, and you go look at the album(s) in question and the lowest ratings are only like a 4 or 5. Or the user has literally doled out ONLY 10s.
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24.10.2016 - 05:25
M C Vice
ex-polydactyl
Is nothing but 10s, 9s and 1s (only 4 of 82 are 9s) vote abuse?
Also, anyone else find it weird/suspicious when someone gives a dozen albums by the same band 1s? After the first few, I wouldn't bother with the band anymore.
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24.10.2016 - 18:00
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by M C Vice on 24.10.2016 at 05:25

Is nothing but 10s, 9s and 1s (only 4 of 82 are 9s) vote abuse?
Also, anyone else find it weird/suspicious when someone gives a dozen albums by the same band 1s? After the first few, I wouldn't bother with the band anymore.

Sounds like rating abuse. Usernames help in the decision making process.
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25.10.2016 - 07:33
M C Vice
ex-polydactyl
Written by psykometal on 24.10.2016 at 18:00

Written by M C Vice on 24.10.2016 at 05:25

Is nothing but 10s, 9s and 1s (only 4 of 82 are 9s) vote abuse?
Also, anyone else find it weird/suspicious when someone gives a dozen albums by the same band 1s? After the first few, I wouldn't bother with the band anymore.

Sounds like rating abuse. Usernames help in the decision making process.

The mostly 10s and 1s http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=111784
Obviously hates Dimmu and Filth http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=134750
Didn't add originally 'cause I wasn't sure if they counted as abuse.
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25.10.2016 - 17:38
psykometal
A staff guy...
Written by M C Vice on 25.10.2016 at 07:33

The mostly 10s and 1s http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=111784
Obviously hates Dimmu and Filth http://www.metalstorm.net/users/album_votes.php?user_id=134750
Didn't add originally 'cause I wasn't sure if they counted as abuse.

Always include the suspected abusers.

Also, they both quite hated Filth. And that second account was actually 1 of 6 accounts created by one of of your fellow countryman in Queensland. Guy hadn't logged into any of them since 2012, but still had a lot of rating abuse on all 6 for downvoting entire discographies and manipulating the Top 200 chart.

Thanks for the report!
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01.11.2016 - 12:36
Oykan Övgü

An asshole is monkeying around with album votes right now. Some albums suddenly began to appear in the top 20 list. He has like 10 or more fake accounts.
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