Jiri
Posts: 708 From: USA |
25.03.2015 - 05:54Rating: 7
JiriPosts: 708 From: USA
First comment! Great review; though I still haven't heard it yet. I hope to experience the same elation you do about it, though I must admit I am a little scared...
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Susan Smeghead
Posts: 6941 From: USA |
25.03.2015 - 05:56Rating: 8
SusanSmegheadPosts: 6941 From: USA
Written by Jiri on 25.03.2015 at 05:54
First comment! Great review; though I still haven't heard it yet. I hope to experience the same elation you do about it, though I must admit I am a little scared...
Dude, I was too. Terrified, perhaps. It'll be OK
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"A life all mine
Is what I choose
At the end of my days"
--The Gathering "A Life All Mine" from Souvenirs
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The Melting Snow
Posts: 615 From: Pakistan |
25.03.2015 - 06:11Rating: 6
Not overly impressed by the review, seems like biased praise of Floor, while for me the most disappointing part of the album are the vocals. As i've said before, even Anette (or some pop/country singer too) could've delivered this much, why kick her out?
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hellbent
Posts: 14 From: Bangladesh |
25.03.2015 - 08:48Rating: 7
I think promises kept by the band..team nightwish are really talented and beautiful musicians.first listen may not work for some listeners but you will find it hard to let it go..this a great album i will not compare it with the previous albums coz EFMB is really a different album..floor wins all the doubts..nightwish camp will be happy and have a good time ahead.CMON COB we are waiting
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Night Theater
Posts: 87 From: Australia |
Susan, you said: "There's also a few times when Tuomas mails it in"
Did you mean nails? I don't get it. Never heard that term before.
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lingus99
Posts: 19 From: UK
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First listen I was a little disappointed, expecially in the lack of power shown by Floor. But I think anticipation and eagerness got the better of me and I gave it more time. Taking it running when I use my music to help me keep pace (and actually moving to be honest), my opinion has been swayed. Still not the grand smack in the face I got from Once when I first found the band, but pretty amazing all the same. I'm not a fan of the spoken word parts either, and feel that many Nightwish songs have been ruined by it. But this is a small complaint.
Roll on Wembley!
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ManiacBlasphemer Black Knight
Posts: 1085 From: Romania |
I really fail to see what is great in this album. With the exception of 2-3 tracks, there is nothing memorable in it. Even the Anette albums had more memorable tunes than this one has. The vocals are heavily restrained, it does not put into value the vocal abilities of Floor at all, and I feel like this album was made with Anette's vocal performance in mind rather than Floor's. Marco's contribution has diminished drasticaly, few interventions and those aren't anything amazing. For me this is probably the weakest album ever made by Nightwish. Not to mention the boring 20+ minute track where like half of it nothing happens (plus the 6 minute intro). Seriously, this is 6 material at best, not 8.5... for 8.5 you need to put at least something quality-wise like Once or Century Child.
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Didymus
Posts: 43 From: Belgium |
25.03.2015 - 13:01Rating: 7
It's not even about the vocals for me, the compositions are just so bland. In 80% of the songs you can predict the entire melody/chord progression of a verse or a chorus without any effort at all. Even if Floor's vocals would've been more powerful and versatile, that still wouldn't have elevated the compositions.
I don't even see why Tuomas bothered to write songs like the abysmally unoriginal My Walden, Endless Forms Most Beautiful, Edema Ruh (this one is particularly bad) and Alpenglow, I mean seriously, they add NOTHING to Nightwish' discograpy.
Huge disappointment. There's no excuse for playing it safe when you have that much talent in a band.
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Ismarmlp
Posts: 145 From: Spain |
25.03.2015 - 14:10Rating: 7
Mmm... Endless Forms Most Beautiful is mediocre...
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ManiacBlasphemer Black Knight
Posts: 1085 From: Romania |
Written by Didymus on 25.03.2015 at 13:01
I don't even see why Tuomas bothered to write songs like the abysmally unoriginal My Walden, Endless Forms Most Beautiful, Edema Ruh (this one is particularly bad) and Alpenglow, I mean seriously, they add NOTHING to Nightwish' discograpy.
I think "My Walden" is one of the better tracks on this record, together with "Shudder Before The Beautiful" and "Yours Is An Empty Hope". I agree that the rest you mentioned are very weak ones... seriously, when I read the review I feel like I listened to an entirely different album.
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bddidier
Posts: 70 From: France |
25.03.2015 - 14:53Rating: 6
I can not disagree more with this review . I am not at all impressed by Floor vocals on this album. As it was said before why wasting so much talents to produce a bland, almost pop album. I do not see the point of the 24 minutes song either. Since Once (a good album in my book) Nightwish has only produced bland and unoriginal material. Not really bad but transparent.
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I couldn't possibly disagree more with the review. This is the weakest album made by Nightwish. Floor's vocals are completely unexploited. And since I'm probably the only one here who thinks that Imaginaerum was the best album of Nightwish, I can't even put into the words how much this album differs from Imaginaerum or DPP and how disappointed I am. I expected, at least, the last song be decent, but it wasn't. There are some good parts in it, but the whole impression was just bad, as well as the impression on the album.
By the way, has anyone else noticed how similar that part of The Greatest Show On Earth when Floor starts singing and Sleepwalker sound or is it just me?
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Didymus
Posts: 43 From: Belgium |
25.03.2015 - 17:17Rating: 7
Written by Guest on 25.03.2015 at 15:53
By the way, have anyone else noticed how similar that part of The Greatest Show On Earth when Floor starts singing and Sleepwalker sound or is it just me?
I noticed. The Sleepwalker verses.
That's another thing about the album, it's like an endless series of self-copying, from melodies to riffs, to arrangements of entire songs. Another annoying copy is the children's choir in Sharbat Gula which is like a For the Heart I Once Had orchestral version. Alpenglow's string melody is like a slowed down Sahara, Yours Is an Empty Hope is Master Passion Greed + Cadence, Shuddering is Dark Chest + Storytime + Song of Myself etc. etc. Very frustrating. The only song that sounds relatively original is Our Decades in the Sun.
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AnGina-- Dark Phoenix
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AnGina--Dark PhoenixPosts: 3555 From: Slovenia
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You think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was a man. But it was nothing to me but blinding.
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PocketMetal
Posts: 750 From: Iran
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25.03.2015 - 19:07Rating: 8
Nice review, a bit too much praise for Floor ... I love her voice on this record tho. And I'm glad I don't have to cringe on every single chorus like I did in the two previous albums.
It's a nice and easy album, not too much Methul and not too many ballads. I could do without Our Decades In The Sun though, there's a huge drop in energy after "Yours is an Empty Hope". Anyway, I've listened to this more than 10 times already and it's a good listen, I'm satisfied.
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Written by Didymus on 25.03.2015 at 17:17
Written by Guest on 25.03.2015 at 15:53
By the way, have anyone else noticed how similar that part of The Greatest Show On Earth when Floor starts singing and Sleepwalker sound or is it just me?
I noticed. The Sleepwalker verses.
That's another thing about the album, it's like an endless series of self-copying, from melodies to riffs, to arrangements of entire songs. Another annoying copy is the children's choir in Sharbat Gula which is like a For the Heart I Once Had orchestral version. Alpenglow's string melody is like a slowed down Sahara, Yours Is an Empty Hope is Master Passion Greed + Cadence, Shuddering is Dark Chest + Storytime + Song of Myself etc. etc. Very frustrating. The only song that sounds relatively original is Our Decades in the Sun.
Yeah, exactly. The whole album sounds like something you've heard before.
Alpenglow is like a slowed down Sahara with a bit of Bye, Bye, Beautiful. And I agree with all the rest. Our Decades In The Sun was, in fact, the only song I KINDA liked. Except that choir in the very beginning of the song and somewhere in the middle of the song. But even that one sounded like something from Tuomas' solo album, to be honest.
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mariano
Posts: 369 From: Argentina
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25.03.2015 - 19:36Rating: 6
The only thing I agree with this review is the complaint about children choruses.
The album isn't terrible, it's just average and has plenty of forgettable songs... Floor doesn't make it up either. I liked better her performance in the prior live album.
One thing I don't get is, how they keep reusing the same guitar riff from Dark Chest of Wonders (with some small variations) This time they used it in like 3 songs, just to demonstrate the lack of inspiration on this album.
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The Melting Snow
Posts: 615 From: Pakistan |
25.03.2015 - 21:48Rating: 6
The thing about Nightwish that surprises me most is how each band member's performance has drastically declined instead of improving with time.
I mean, compositions may differ, music style may change but never have I seen a guitarist get worse with every passing album, it's like he cant write a memorable riff or solo anymore. Oceanborn and Wishmaster had some great guitar lines. since then it's been a steep downhill ride. take a look at Within Temptation, even though their style has changed, at least their albums have a couple of riffs and solos that you can listen to again, compared to the first 3 albums where the guitars were used for just rhythms. Same for Epica.
The drummer cant play anymore.
Same goes with the keyboards. and lyrics. Seems like instead of improving their skills, the band's focus has shifted to how to keep increasing the fanbase.
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The Melting Snow
Posts: 615 From: Pakistan |
25.03.2015 - 21:54Rating: 6
It was great when their lyrics were about deep rooted, loud emotions, sorrow, hope with a touch of fantasy to add color.
Now it's all a wannabe attempt at creating an adventure filled fairytale landscape. hollow and forgettable.
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Ivor Staff
Posts: 5289 From: Estonia |
IvorStaffPosts: 5289 From: Estonia
Written by The Melting Snow on 25.03.2015 at 21:48
The drummer cant play anymore.
Small detail but the drummer is different on this album.
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No friends for playing games
No foes who scorn my name
Computerized machines of steel and rust
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No friends in my house on Mars
No foes in my house on Mars
I was born in my house on Mars
I will die in my house on Mars
-- Ayreon - My House on Mars
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moe5512
Posts: 501 From: Finland |
Written by The Melting Snow on 25.03.2015 at 21:48
The drummer cant play anymore.
Uhm, Did you just say that Kai Hahto can't play the drums?
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The Melting Snow
Posts: 615 From: Pakistan |
26.03.2015 - 00:45Rating: 6
Written by moe5512 on 26.03.2015 at 00:28
Written by The Melting Snow on 25.03.2015 at 21:48
The drummer cant play anymore.
Uhm, Did you just say that Kai Hahto can't play the drums?
Oh i know the drummer is different. Fan of Kai. I meant Jukka cant play the drums anymore.
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kingeryck
Posts: 164 From: USA
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Seeing them live next month. Not sure how I feel about Floor yet.
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SoUnDs LiKe PoP
Posts: 1042 From: USA
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26.03.2015 - 05:07Rating: 7
I have to disagree with the review. This album sounded uninspired to me. I'd expect songs like this from a newcomer symphonic metal band, but not Nightwish. It might grow on me over time, but after a decent number of spins I am feeling let down. I'd give it a 6.5-7/10 for the time being.
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Susan Smeghead
Posts: 6941 From: USA |
26.03.2015 - 07:27Rating: 8
SusanSmegheadPosts: 6941 From: USA
Written by deadone on 26.03.2015 at 03:17
Thanks for a well written review.
Though it's interesting in that this didn't read like a review for a metal album. It really reads like a review for anything but metal! Indeed "sumptuous, lovely, pretty singing, beautiful experiments" read like something associated with Dido or Adele or Kimbra. And much like something like Dido or Adele or Kimbra, the references to instrumental/non-vocal components are minimal as the vocals dominate and instruments are backing tracks.
Very interesting comment - and I do agree! The metal elements are not dominant here; the symphonic elements are. The metal is still part of the package, and there are certainly some heavy & crunch riffs, but they're no longer the most important part as they were in the past.
Also, Floor has been the main topic of discussion leading up to this album release, with many fans wondering how she'd fit and sound with Nightwish. To not discuss that in the review would have been ignoring the huge elephant in the room.
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"A life all mine
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At the end of my days"
--The Gathering "A Life All Mine" from Souvenirs
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Joe Zombie
Posts: 540 From: USA |
I find this album to be very average unfortunately. Edema Ruh is a nice track. That's about it for me. I'll give it another spin before I rate it.
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M C Vice ex-polydactyl
Posts: 3349 From: Australia |
26.03.2015 - 08:44Rating: 7
M C Viceex-polydactylPosts: 3349 From: Australia
Regarding the spoken word part(s), are we talking about another Song Of Myself, where half of the song is a pointless, rambling spoken part?
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"Another day, another Doug."
"I'll fight you on one condition. That you lower your nipples."
" 'Tis a lie! Thy backside is whole and ungobbled, thou ungrateful whelp!"
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I remember back in the day I kind of liked first few albums of theirs... I've never been a fan of them, but I thought they sounded fresh and unique! I've heard few song from their 21th century albums, but can't recall any of them?! I read this review and decided to hear what they're up to now... My, my, wtf is this? A cliche in every single way! Nothing new, nothing exciting, nothing worth mentiong! This is folkish pop music with digital guitars and drums like they've been played with synthesizers (with this I want to point out how awfully sterile and weak production and mixing job has been done)!
Written by The Melting Snow on 25.03.2015 at 21:48
The thing about Nightwish that surprises me most is how each band member's performance has drastically declined instead of improving with time.
And this sums it up perfectly! I agree 100%!
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PocketMetal
Posts: 750 From: Iran
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26.03.2015 - 11:37Rating: 8
Written by M C Vice on 26.03.2015 at 08:44
Regarding the spoken word part(s), are we talking about another Song Of Myself, where half of the song is a pointless, rambling spoken part?
All spoken parts are done by Richard Dawkins, a very short one at the beginning and a longer one in the closer song. The closer is 25 minutes and the final 6-7 minutes aren't really anything, but the speech part is still short I guess.
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M C Vice ex-polydactyl
Posts: 3349 From: Australia |
26.03.2015 - 13:01Rating: 7
M C Viceex-polydactylPosts: 3349 From: Australia
Written by PocketMetal on 26.03.2015 at 11:37
Written by M C Vice on 26.03.2015 at 08:44
Regarding the spoken word part(s), are we talking about another Song Of Myself, where half of the song is a pointless, rambling spoken part?
All spoken parts are done by Richard Dawkins, a very short one at the beginning and a longer one in the closer song. The closer is 25 minutes and the final 6-7 minutes aren't really anything, but the speech part is still short I guess.
So, not another 6 minute spoken part, than?
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"Another day, another Doug."
"I'll fight you on one condition. That you lower your nipples."
" 'Tis a lie! Thy backside is whole and ungobbled, thou ungrateful whelp!"
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