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Posted by on 05.04.2007 at 18:14
I'm sure a lot of you have dismissed him as being either an Alice Cooper and/or David Bowie rip off (I won't deny that he has tried to be both of these people before) or an annoying idol for the mallcore types to bow down to, but to me he is an artist. He's quite intelligent actually; did you know he is a member of Mensa? Yes yes, he also was a Reverend in the Church of Satan and considered Anton LaVey to be his mentor, but I wouldn't consider him to be a LaVeyan Satanist since he also said he frequented the library and the local Blockbuster more than the Church of Satan and appears to have an eclectic belief system from what I can tell.

My favorite albums from him are probably the first two: "Portrait of an American Family" and "Antichrist Superstar". His debut album is quite different than what came later since Daisy Berkowitz, the original guitarist and co-founder of the band (they were originally called Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids) contributed a lot to the songwriting and thus there are some solos here and there and the album has a more "fun" feel to it compared to the later releases which are obviously more dark and serious.

I can think of a lot of reasons why I also like "Antichrist Superstar". The concept of the worm to angel metamorphosis is pretty interesting and it's a pretty heavy album with songs such as "Angel with the Scabbed Wings", "1996", and "Irresponsible Hate Anthem" but finishes out with the melancholic number "Man That You Fear". I also just liked the band era in general since Zim Zum was in the band, who is also a talented guitarist; I still miss Daisy but he was a worthy successor (don't get me wrong, I like John 5 too).

So I hope there are some of you out there who are fans. To me, there's a lot more behind the band and the man than just the shock value and makeup.



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Ph0eNiX
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  13.05.2009 at 23:55
Wow.....
Are you serious?
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Lucifer123

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  14.05.2009 at 23:58
Written by Ph0eNiX on 13.05.2009 at 23:55

Wow.....
Are you serious?

Yes. Where is the POINT of this band (Iron Maiden) what makes it metal? And why everyone said that Marilyn Manson don't get this POINT?
Ph0eNiX
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  15.05.2009 at 02:59
When it comes to style, mansons did start out as an industrial band. They were signed to NIN's lable, and the did put out music with programming. The style in itself had put the band into th eindustrial scene. Rivettheads and goths were the 1st ones to pick up on this band as well. THey opened with an industrial following audience because that is where their sound took them.
The guitar work would be indicative to an industrial band, the drum work would also be industrial too. A few industrial bands take metal stylilngs (Frontline Assembly, Ministry) and are still industrial. Generally it's called hardcore industrial.
As they wrote more albums the sound took on a more "rock" based sound. It did bring the band to a wider audience while incorperating the theatrics of Alice Cooper and the "show renoun"/"I heard manson's going to commit suicide onstage tonight" of punk rocker G.G. Allin. A lot of their popularity was based around shock value, which has it's place in music.

Iron maiden, came in on the 2nd wave of brittish metal. Guitar stylings and most of the subject matter follows the metal format. Initially Iron Maiden formed & wrote what they did in order to balance out the english punk scene with more metal. Iron Maiden's pick up came from metal audiences, they have influenced metal bands, their imagery is metal themed and they have prettymuch become who they are by time and respect in the metal scene.
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jupitreas
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  15.05.2009 at 15:08
Alice Cooper, WASP, GWAR, Rob Zombie - what do all these bands have in common? They play rock/metal music with a lot of additional 'distractions' thrown in. Its called shock rock and it is common for bands of this style to have elements of industrial, electronica, dance, jazz, swing, whatever. It simply adds bombast to the show and is part of the game in shock rock imo.

And for this exact reason I wouldn't call Manson industrial. Sure, there are industrial elements here and there but MM is predominantly a shock rock band. Nothing wrong with shock rock, mind you, I just think its a distinction that a lot of people are not aware of.

It is true; however, that Manson's initial audience was similar to that of the popular industrial metal bands at the time, which does at least mean that he can be seen as belonging to the scene, if not to the genre itself.
Ph0eNiX
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  17.05.2009 at 05:40
Written by jupitreas on 15.05.2009 at 15:08

Alice Cooper, WASP, GWAR, Rob Zombie - what do all these bands have in common? They play rock/metal music with a lot of additional 'distractions' thrown in. Its called shock rock and it is common for bands of this style to have elements of industrial, electronica, dance, jazz, swing, whatever. It simply adds bombast to the show and is part of the game in shock rock imo.

And for this exact reason I wouldn't call Manson industrial. Sure, there are industrial elements here and there but MM is predominantly a shock rock band. Nothing wrong with shock rock, mind you, I just think its a distinction that a lot of people are not aware of.

It is true; however, that Manson's initial audience was similar to that of the popular industrial metal bands at the time, which does at least mean that he can be seen as belonging to the scene, if not to the genre itself.


I'll agree on people not being aware of shock rock enough as a scene.

Although I'm confused....
First you said:
"And for this exact reason I wouldn't call Manson industrial. Sure, there are industrial elements here and there but MM is predominantly a shock rock band. Nothing wrong with shock rock, mind you, I just think its a distinction that a lot of people are not aware of."
Then you said:
"It is true; however, that Manson's initial audience was similar to that of the popular industrial metal bands at the time, which does at least mean that he can be seen as belonging to the scene, if not to the genre itself."

I got the feeling that'd sound different than it is written but I gotta ask on clarity here a bit.
So did MM start industrial then go to shock rock, are they both or are they just industrial?

From the 1st thing you wrote you said they were not industrial. Then you said they were.
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BitterCOld
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  17.05.2009 at 05:47
He did not say they were. he said they were associated with the scene - not that they played industrial music.

back in the day i used to hang out at the goth club with some of my goth friends. i was a punk/metalhead. hanging out with them didn't make me goth, but made me part of their scene.
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jupitreas
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  17.05.2009 at 05:50
Exactly.
Ph0eNiX
Fire from Above

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  17.05.2009 at 06:44
Okay cool, just looking for clarity on what was said.
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Haddonfield
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  26.05.2009 at 17:20
Listened to his new album, The High End of Low, yesterday. It is a big step in the right direction. To me it's somewhere between Mechanical Animals and Holywood. The return of Twiggy Ramirez on bass and guitar is a major strong point for the album as he brings back a sound of the past. I also like the way Manson experiments on this album edging towards blues at times. Some of the tunes are pretty catchy and I found myself singing along immediately. However, I am not saying this is Manson back to his best. The album does seem to drag on with 15 songs lasting for the most between 4 and five minutes and two decent but long songs in the middle of the album (6:25 and 9:01 minutes). I think time will tell if this album is really as good as it first lets off. Will have to see if I listen to it again or simply become bored of it.
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  28.05.2009 at 11:35
Well I'm gonna get it, since I really like Twiggy Ramirez.. And I respect his power in both performance and composing songs.. In Antichrist Superstar he created awesome songs with Reznor.
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Uirapuru
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  31.05.2009 at 17:15
There are some cool songs, but overall I never care for this band. Listen to The Fight Song, Beautiful People and other famous. Not a big deal.
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AbdelioR

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  05.06.2009 at 14:44
I listened the new album and I found it a bit boring and without the "touch". It's true that with "The High End of Low" Manson has chosen the old style, and this are good news, but I did expect more I think. I'll give it another chance in a while because I can be wrong..
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Ernotar
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  09.07.2009 at 11:31
It's not impossible for me to listen to his songs and I don't turn the channel, if one of them is played on the radio, but I wouldn't buy an album. I saw him live in Hellfest and even though I expected something freaky, I obviously wasn't prepared well enough. I just wonder who wants to work with him gig after gig and tour after tour, since he treats those crew members like crap. I hope it's just "part of the show", but I wouldn't be so sure about that...

In my opinion all his non-musical extra show elements take too much attention from his music. The first thing to think about when you hear the words "Marilyn Manson" is not some great song from him, but rather "did he really have a couple of his ribs removed?" Besides, I was surprised about how fat he actually was. I guess he's seen his best days.
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Hamird
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  09.07.2009 at 12:18
Written by Ernotar on 09.07.2009 at 11:31

It's not impossible for me to listen to his songs and I don't turn the channel, if one of them is played on the radio, but I wouldn't buy an album. I saw him live in Hellfest and even though I expected something freaky, I obviously wasn't prepared well enough. I just wonder who wants to work with him gig after gig and tour after tour, since he treats those crew members like crap. I hope it's just "part of the show", but I wouldn't be so sure about that...

In my opinion all his non-musical extra show elements take too much attention from his music. The first thing to think about when you hear the words "Marilyn Manson" is not some great song from him, but rather "did he really have a couple of his ribs removed?" Besides, I was surprised about how fat he actually was. I guess he's seen his best days.


In my opinion most he does is part of his show.. I don't know, I don't like his personality as much as I like some of his works.. Of course that's because of Twiggy that I like their music.
When I hear the word Marilyn Manson I remind The Beautiful People which was my childhood favorite song.
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Evil Chip

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  14.07.2009 at 05:29
Just discovered this thread by putting marilyn manson in the search bar and I'm pretty surprised that are lots of metalheads that like Marilyn Manson like myself. I can say that he has to be one of my favourist lyricist along with Roger Waters and Maynard James Keenan. As for the music I haven't heard it all but Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals has to be my favourites. I also like the fact that he seems to be (well.. maybe not any longer) like a virus that infected the mainstream media adding to it more content and rebelion in his own heteredox way, like it was used in the old times with importants guys like John Lennon, Bob Dylan, David Bowie, that had something to say the world, something to be against with a reason not like today. About the new album I'm not disapointed at all but this is not a Marilyn Manson album I think, It's more like a Bryan Warner album just like Eat Me and Drink me was. I really loved the lyrics and the music of the slower songs like Into the Fire, Running to the Edge of the World and 15 speacially. Didn´t like a lot the new single.
wormdrink414

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  03.08.2009 at 06:03
I have little "beef" (as that semi-physical existence called "they" says) with Marilyn Manson. That being stated however, I see little or no metal in what he does.
Deadlove
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  15.08.2009 at 20:48
I always thought Manson was at his best when he had a band behind him. That means "Portrait..." and "Antichrist..." - even tho the latter is where the band really was becoming just him and less of an actual band composing and playing songs.
DevilBabi

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  17.08.2009 at 14:07
Eat me Drink me - 10/10 definitely for that Was awesome all round. I really can't think of one song that i don't adore or love to pieces.
The High End of Low. Hhhmmm. I am loving it, I'm still to dissect it further....
Oh and before i go,
Warman
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  24.09.2009 at 13:14
Even though I hate this band and is forced to hear them on a daily basis (my mom is a huge fan) I still think they deserve a page here at MS.
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SerratedSyringe

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  24.09.2009 at 21:22
Written by Warman on 24.09.2009 at 13:14

Even though I hate this band and is forced to hear them on a daily basis (my mom is a huge fan) I still think they deserve a page here at MS.


Ha ha your mom is into Manson?! That is so funny! I've never been a big fan, but I do like their cover of "This is Halloween". "Rock is Dead" is a pretty good song too.
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Warman
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  25.09.2009 at 11:21
Written by SerratedSyringe on 24.09.2009 at 21:22

Ha ha your mom is into Manson?! That is so funny! I've never been a big fan, but I do like their cover of "This is Halloween". "Rock is Dead" is a pretty good song too.

Yeah, she's 44 and wears Marilyn Manson shirts and plays the music loud. I don't care, I guess I'll be the same at her age. But listening to better bands.
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SerratedSyringe

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  25.09.2009 at 15:21
Written by Warman on 25.09.2009 at 11:21

Written by SerratedSyringe on 24.09.2009 at 21:22

Ha ha your mom is into Manson?! That is so funny! I've never been a big fan, but I do like their cover of "This is Halloween". "Rock is Dead" is a pretty good song too.

Yeah, she's 44 and wears Marilyn Manson shirts and plays the music loud. I don't care, I guess I'll be the same at her age. But listening to better bands.

That's pretty cool, actually. I wish my mom was like that.
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Spenku
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  18.10.2009 at 04:58
Isin't it funny how last night I put Manson in the suggested bands, and this morrning they make a blacklist and Manson is on it?
Spenku
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  10.03.2010 at 05:54
Thought Id bring this up to all the Manson fans; John 5 is not yet on the site, and is currently in the suggested bands list. Lets get him on here, so go out and vote.

Search "John 5" in this link:
http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/band_suggestions.php
Kennoth

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  15.04.2010 at 16:53
Written by Spenku on 10.03.2010 at 05:54

Thought Id bring this up to all the Manson fans; John 5 is not yet on the site, and is currently in the suggested bands list. Lets get him on here, so go out and vote.

Search "John 5" in this link:
http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/band_suggestions.php


One should also vote for Dope, they deserve the access.
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  11.05.2012 at 08:09
Randy Blythe Rant against the MM's new album and its sales over here.
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Troy Killjoy
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  11.05.2012 at 15:12
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 11.05.2012 at 08:09
Randy Blythe Rant against the MM's new album and its sales over here.

Wow, Randy's so knowledgeable and aware. -_-
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  11.05.2012 at 23:13
Written by Troy Killjoy on 11.05.2012 at 15:12

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 11.05.2012 at 08:09
Randy Blythe Rant against the MM's new album and its sales over here.

Wow, Randy's so knowledgeable and aware. -_-




Haven't checked out Born Villan yet, I had it on hold but after reading this I gotta put it on immediately.
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