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Posted by Valaskjalf on 06.04.2007 at 02:07
This morning while driving to work something suddenly popped into my head....since Viking metal is pretty geographically specific, should bands who play Viking metal necessarily be from Scandinavia to not be seen as trying to be something they're not? I mean I know there are a fair amount of Viking metal from Germany as well, but lets say a band from here where I live (South Africa) wanted to start up a Viking Metal band - wont that be sort of....stupid? Im a huge fan of Viking metal and wondered about this quite a lot....had I been in a band i would probably love to play Viking metal but I would probably put my war-paint on my face, look in the mirror and go "what the fuck dude...ur about as Viking as the zulu in the bush".

whats your thoughts on this?



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Judas
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  18.04.2007 at 14:02
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Written by Judas on 18.04.2007 at 13:44

Written by Bad English on 17.04.2007 at 23:20

Written by UnholyMenace on 17.04.2007 at 23:10

Actually the closest band to viking metal in Estonia would be Bestia - has some viking themes, but I wouldn't call it a viking metal band. And K7 mentioned Taak - can you point out some facts why you think the band is somehow related to viking metal or even to vikings? - same goes to saying that Taak is BM.

I wouldn't call Estonians vikings - they may have raided several villages in Finland and Sweden, but the real viking era was already coming to an end.


I menation those bands because thay sing songs about Estonian history, nature and such thinks and thay are more how pure bm ist lil like Windir and thats why I mention them there

Just because a band sings about their own nation's history, it doesn't mean they need to be brought up in a Viking Metal thread. Please stick to the topic, and while I know it's already been canvassed pretty thoroughly, you guys aren't even on the same planet as the thread should be on.


But Estonia are prity close conecte whit Vikings 7th-9th century

I agree, there were definitely Viking contacts there, I'm not arguing with you on that. However, Estonian culture is totally different from Viking culture, and the Vikings never actually settled in Estonia, like they did in England, Ireland, Normandy, Iceland etc. Estonians aren't Vikings, in any way. That's pretty much all I'm saying, I do understand your point though.
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nobody

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  18.04.2007 at 14:13
@Judas - I agree but estonain culture are so close to Finland and actualy then finish bands cant play real viking metal(BTW there are not viking band sin finland, Enisferum, Moonsorrow are folk) and I there can be mix viking/folk/pagan metal and IMO viking metal goes in same category how folk metal viking/folk, black/viking

There was viking contacts in Latvai too specely in 'Kurzeme' west notyh. west east part and pll from there goes to Danmark and attack to viliages there but it was not big historic event and here are no viking bands and only one folk band Skyforger and ist NOT viking metal
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  18.04.2007 at 14:38
Written by Bad English on 18.04.2007 at 14:13

@Judas - I agree but estonain culture are so close to Finland and actualy then finish bands cant play real viking metal(BTW there are not viking band sin finland, Enisferum, Moonsorrow are folk) and I there can be mix viking/folk/pagan metal and IMO viking metal goes in same category how folk metal viking/folk, black/viking

There was viking contacts in Latvai too specely in 'Kurzeme' west notyh. west east part and pll from there goes to Danmark and attack to viliages there but it was not big historic event and here are no viking bands and only one folk band Skyforger and ist NOT viking metal

I never actually called Ensiferum and Moonsorrow 'Viking', although with the latter I've grudgingly accepted that definition (they actually have referred to themselves as more 'Viking' of late, rather than their earlier preferred 'Epic Heathen'). Oh, and way back when you were new to MS, you were the one who recommended me Skyforger, and I do agree they're great and NOT Viking!

OK, I'm now guilty of further off-topic discussions too. To pull things back into some shape of order, shall we take the examples of bands like Runic, who aren't from Nordic lands but sing Viking Metal? What are your thoughts on occurrences like that?

I personally think that as long as they fulfill the requirements (i.e. lyrics, music, and to an extent, image) that it's fine. Runic play Viking Metal, sing about Vikings, and try and be as Scandinavian as they can!

@Valaskjalf: Have you gone one way or another yet with your musical expression?
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  18.04.2007 at 15:01
Written by Judas on 18.04.2007 at 14:38

Written by Bad English on 18.04.2007 at 14:13

@Judas - I agree but estonain culture are so close to Finland and actualy then finish bands cant play real viking metal(BTW there are not viking band sin finland, Enisferum, Moonsorrow are folk) and I there can be mix viking/folk/pagan metal and IMO viking metal goes in same category how folk metal viking/folk, black/viking

There was viking contacts in Latvai too specely in 'Kurzeme' west notyh. west east part and pll from there goes to Danmark and attack to viliages there but it was not big historic event and here are no viking bands and only one folk band Skyforger and ist NOT viking metal

I never actually called Ensiferum and Moonsorrow 'Viking', although with the latter I've grudgingly accepted that definition (they actually have referred to themselves as more 'Viking' of late, rather than their earlier preferred 'Epic Heathen'). Oh, and way back when you were new to MS, you were the one who recommended me Skyforger, and I do agree they're great and NOT Viking!

OK, I'm now guilty of further off-topic discussions too. To pull things back into some shape of order, shall we take the examples of bands like Runic, who aren't from Nordic lands but sing Viking Metal? What are your thoughts on occurrences like that?

I personally think that as long as they fulfill the requirements (i.e. lyrics, music, and to an extent, image) that it's fine. Runic play Viking Metal, sing about Vikings, and try and be as Scandinavian as they can!

@Valaskjalf: Have you gone one way or another yet with your musical expression?


me to I never call them viking metal and I dont know if tahy call them selfs viking too
Yes Skyforger are great and its pagan/folk/black black first album and demo

About Runic well if thay come from not viking countries then thay shood be good in music, lyrics and make them selfs lbe real viking band but a lot of bands just dont do it
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  04.02.2010 at 23:17
Well at first i know there is excellent Thronar from Netherlands (yes, Holland still quite close to "viking countries")

but what about for instance Viking Throne from Brasil?



i claim this is real Viking WAR...possibly even more than Swedish War's
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  05.02.2010 at 20:12
I think you can always try playing music with influences from the folk music of your place, and maybe you can get the same pagan feeling and atmosphere
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  14.02.2010 at 14:13
You can always "try", but not always you success with it
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  16.02.2010 at 11:13
I dunno if they have been mentioned already, but DoomSword from Italy is fucking outstanding. Every song on every album is memorable...to me anyway.
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  16.02.2010 at 13:17
In my opinion, when bands from "non-viking countries" make viking metal, its really often cheap and easy, in the sense that the lyrics and the style is just plain retarded. In particularly often seen after the boom of folk/viking metal bands and their popularity that happened some time ago. As I see it the bands with the best quality on the content both lyric and music wise seems to be from the countries who has vikings originally. There's just something about it, far away foreign countries use it as a "cool" thing and don't appear authentic at all. Lyrics like "Odin I raise my mead/sword/ for you as I go to war!" makes me laugh rather than making me feel ready for battle.
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  17.02.2010 at 01:45
Arkona is from Russia and they're pretty fucking good.

Usually viking metal from non-nordic countries is garbage, especially if it's from the USA
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  17.02.2010 at 04:48
Ulveheim from Mexico, lol, though I kinda like them, at least I like them more than most prehispanic black metal bands(prehispanic influences and black metal could be an interesting mix, unfortunately most bands who play this style fail a lot). Also, they sing in norwegian.

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  22.02.2010 at 11:33
Written by danielllewis on 17.02.2010 at 01:45

Arkona is from Russia and they're pretty fucking good.

Usually viking metal from non-nordic countries is garbage, especially if it's from the USA

If I remember correctly Arkona played Folk metal / Slav Metal. But hey they might still be damn good.
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  26.02.2010 at 22:02
Written by danielllewis on 17.02.2010 at 01:45

Arkona is from Russia and they're pretty fucking good.

Usually viking metal from non-nordic countries is garbage, especially if it's from the USA

Well... Russia is actually rather legitimate to play this music because they use Russian (and also Finno-Ugric) style plus it should not be forgotten that vikings were around in Russia as well... tho in Russia they were called varyags... they made their way along the Volga river down to Byzantine Empire...

Viking does not mean Norway/Sweden only in that sense...
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  27.02.2010 at 17:02
When countrys who are not viking countrys, such as US, it comes out as some deformed death metal thing, so the only viking metal that should be out there sould come from the origanal viking countrys.
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  04.03.2010 at 19:43
This is untrue and unfair...just take the fact, that "original viking countries" may produce shitty music as well easily...one must judge every band separately
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  04.03.2010 at 20:29
Written by Ellrohir on 04.03.2010 at 19:43

This is untrue and unfair...just take the fact, that "original viking countries" may produce shitty music as well easily...one must judge every band separately


and its true there many Norvegian, swedish, danish bands(specely danish because I dont like moust of it) play shity muisc and moust overated danish band is where Kim Bendix Petersen plays, now re located in Dallas
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  08.03.2010 at 11:34
I know of lots of Canadian bands that play viking metal. I guess it doesn't have anything to do of whether or not you live in Scandinavia. Bands here are not less talented, musicially. But i've heard of some people make fun of other bands who don't fit the viking image yet play viking metal.
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  01.09.2010 at 18:38
Hammer Horde is a US-act, pretty close to viking-metal, though obviously more death metal-oriented like AA
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  23.09.2010 at 21:30
Bah! For shame.

If a band creates their craft well then who gives a shit where they're from, aside from a few native Scandinavian elitists who want to own a hereditary monopoly on a sub-genre. Nevermind the fact that such closed systems are inherantly doomed for failure.

It shouldn't matter if a band is made up of Wodaabe tribesmen from the Sahara, if they create convincing sounding "viking metal" then so be it.
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  27.09.2010 at 13:12
Written by Jötun on 23.09.2010 at 21:30

Bah! For shame.

If a band creates their craft well then who gives a shit where they're from, aside from a few native Scandinavian elitists who want to own a hereditary monopoly on a sub-genre. Nevermind the fact that such closed systems are inherantly doomed for failure.

It shouldn't matter if a band is made up of Wodaabe tribesmen from the Sahara, if they create convincing sounding "viking metal" then so be it.

I absolutly agree here. No problem with a band from a non-viking country playing viking metal as long as it's done good. Saying otherwise would be like saying that only bands from say Ireland can play folk metal with an "Irish sound or inspiration"
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  01.10.2010 at 12:14
See it the bands with the best quality on the content both lyric and music wise seems to be from the countries who has vikings originally. There's just something about it, far away foreign countries use it as a "cool" thing and don't appear authentic at all. Lyrics like "Odin I raise my mead/sword/ for you as I go to war!"





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Thunderhead

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  17.02.2011 at 07:35
Manowar is not... Viking metal, but they sound like a silly Viking-Lyric oriented sometimes... It's like Iron man512 said... "I raise my sword to thy Odin/My hammer to thy thor/ etc".

Here in Brazil we have... Tuatha de Danann, it's not viking, but it's folk, and it is about celtic mithologies.

But i know a viking metal from Brazil, it's called Hugin Munim.
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  17.02.2011 at 08:38
If somebody lives in South Africa and wants to form a Viking Metal band, then by all means go for it. Vikings were by far the most metal people in history, the more viking metal the better.
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  17.02.2011 at 11:09
It has nothing to do with where you're from ...
It's art, it's music. You can do whatever you want.
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  17.02.2011 at 16:35
Written by infernalius on 17.02.2011 at 11:09

It has nothing to do with where you're from ...
It's art, it's music. You can do whatever you want.


I couldn't agree more.
But if it's to talk about folk, or something like that...
I would prefer to talk about folklore off my own country...
But i got to admit, Celtic or Nordic mithologies, are far more interesting than brazilian folklore.
(Brazil has some interesting myths, but there's nothing like a real history conneting all of them)
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