Written by ScottyM on 27.12.2018 at 19:03

Something that I didn't include in the news, as it's purely speculation, but to play devil's advocate here, throughout J Salmeron's entire correspondence with both Angela and Alissa, both members of the band keep insisting that he is trying to extort 100 Euros from them, and not the typical 500 that he would otherwise insist upon. This reeks of shady behavior from Thunderball Clothing. To speculate, I would not be surprised if the merch company forwarded his "demand" to the band, conveniently leaving out the fact that he was willing to accept a 100 Euro donation to the Dutch Cancer Foundation.

In no way does this excuse the immature response and lack of willingness to negotiate with the photographer from Arch Enemy's perspective (if anything, they should hopefully be reviewing their willingness to work with such a shady merch company), but it may shed some light on why they were so quick to take a defensive stance. Judging by how fervently they are removing comments from FB and other social media outlets, it may be dawning on them right about now how poorly they responded to this miscommunication.

Written by RaduP on 27.12.2018 at 19:21

Written by ScottyM on 27.12.2018 at 19:03

Something that I didn't include in the news, as it's purely speculation, but to play devil's advocate here, throughout J Salmeron's entire correspondence with both Angela and Alissa, both members of the band keep insisting that he is trying to extort 100 Euros from them, and not the typical 500 that he would otherwise insist upon. This reeks of shady behavior from Thunderball Clothing. To speculate, I would not be surprised if the merch company forwarded his "demand" to the band, conveniently leaving out the fact that he was willing to accept a 100 Euro donation to the Dutch Cancer Foundation.

In no way does this excuse the immature response and lack of willingness to negotiate with the photographer from Arch Enemy's perspective (if anything, they should hopefully be reviewing their willingness to work with such a shady merch company), but it may shed some light on why they were so quick to take a defensive stance. Judging by how fervently they are removing comments from FB and other social media outlets, it may be dawning on them right about now how poorly they responded to this miscommunication.

The convo with Alissa, she says that he asked for 500. The convo with Angela, she says that they do donate to charity but not when forced to. That kinda disproves that.

Written by Lanthros on 27.12.2018 at 19:18

Seems to me if someone takes a picture of you, then you have equal right to the image as the photographer does. The photogrpher has a case but so does the band.

Written by Lanthros on 27.12.2018 at 19:18

Seems to me if someone takes a picture of you, then you have equal right to the image as the photographer does. The photogrpher has a case but so does the band.

Written by ScottyM on 27.12.2018 at 19:43

Written by Lanthros on 27.12.2018 at 19:18

Seems to me if someone takes a picture of you, then you have equal right to the image as the photographer does. The photogrpher has a case but so does the band.

That's not how copyrights work. If the photographer takes a photo, it is his property, the same way that if a band produces a (original) song, it is their song, or if an artist paints a portrait, it is his portrait. Others do not have the right to use copyright works they do not own without the express consent of the original artist (or in this case, the photographer). He has been lenient (read that as granted permission) with fans, and even Alissa using his photo on their social media accounts because why not, for the most part no one profits (except when they do, *cough*Thunderball Clothing*cough*), and it's a pretty badass picture. It's once someone uses someone else's art/creations that the original artist does not approve of, which most commonly is by profiting or misrepresentation, that they copyright holder can and should express his right to shut it down.

The unethical and questionable grey area is when bands/venues enforce the photographer to sign a waiver before being admitted into the event that "enforces" a bullshit rule that all photographs taken are property of the band/venue, and not the artist who took them. If it's a paid employee of the venue/band, that's one thing, but if it's a media outlet like Metal Blast, or even our beloved Metal Storm, under no circumstance should this be practiced as it removes representation from the media. That'd be like saying a band came to Metal Storm and sent them a cease and desist to remove an interview they did with a band because that interview is property of the band, and not Metal Storm. Working for exposure is bullshit, and frankly there is no logical explanation for why people should stand for it.

Written by carltonh on 27.12.2018 at 22:44

A big part of it seems to be that Alissa is just not an attentive person. She skimmed the email and so misunderstood the 500 Euro comment, then wouldn't listen or comprehend her own misunderstanding when clearly pointed out. This is not the first time. In her conflict with The Agonist, it was clear that the response written for The Agonist was very intelligent and excessively polite, just like this photographer, all going way over Alissa's head.

Written by The Melting Snow on 28.12.2018 at 22:00

Any email address that i can send an email to? just for fun. will send them torrent links, youtube audio links and mp3 download links of their songs, and tell them I don't even feel bad about it. I'll also tell them i'll share these links on facebook in order to promote the band, so they better have a hefty cheque ready for me.

way to spend the weekend.

Written by WorpeX on 28.12.2018 at 06:32

Meh, who cares. There are so many photographers in the world that if Arch Enemy doesn't want one at their gig there will be hundreds more lining up to take his place. Their reasoning shouldn't even matter. Maybe the dude just rubs them the wrong way, who gives a shit. They don't want this dude taking pictures of them and now he wont be.

Written by Lanthros on 27.12.2018 at 22:29

Written by ScottyM on 27.12.2018 at 19:43

Written by Lanthros on 27.12.2018 at 19:18

Seems to me if someone takes a picture of you, then you have equal right to the image as the photographer does. The photogrpher has a case but so does the band.

That's not how copyrights work. If the photographer takes a photo, it is his property, the same way that if a band produces a (original) song, it is their song, or if an artist paints a portrait, it is his portrait. Others do not have the right to use copyright works they do not own without the express consent of the original artist (or in this case, the photographer). He has been lenient (read that as granted permission) with fans, and even Alissa using his photo on their social media accounts because why not, for the most part no one profits (except when they do, *cough*Thunderball Clothing*cough*), and it's a pretty badass picture. It's once someone uses someone else's art/creations that the original artist does not approve of, which most commonly is by profiting or misrepresentation, that they copyright holder can and should express his right to shut it down.

The unethical and questionable grey area is when bands/venues enforce the photographer to sign a waiver before being admitted into the event that "enforces" a bullshit rule that all photographs taken are property of the band/venue, and not the artist who took them. If it's a paid employee of the venue/band, that's one thing, but if it's a media outlet like Metal Blast, or even our beloved Metal Storm, under no circumstance should this be practiced as it removes representation from the media. That'd be like saying a band came to Metal Storm and sent them a cease and desist to remove an interview they did with a band because that interview is property of the band, and not Metal Storm. Working for exposure is bullshit, and frankly there is no logical explanation for why people should stand for it.

Its obvious you have no idea how IP publishing actually works.

Written by Irritable Ted on 28.12.2018 at 00:30

Can't see how the band can come out of this except giving an apology. I hope it is a misunderstanding otherwise they come out looking like complete asshats.