Written by AiwiAstwihad on 29.07.2008 at 22:41

"After Buddha was dead people showed his shadow for centuries afterwards in a cave,?an immense frightful shadow. God is dead: but as the human race is constituted, there will perhaps be caves for millenniums yet, in which people will show his shadow.?And we?we have still to overcome his shadow! " _Nietzsche

exactly. but how do you fight the shadow? you can't. you can't convince people that you are right and they are wrong. think of god as an axiome. how can you disprove an axiome?
but what if you destroy the cave .. ?

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 29.07.2008 at 23:04

yeah...but is there any anti-judaism bands? they must have the guts too cos they will be labeled Nazi !!
but still islam is the hardest one to write lyrics against, cos the ppl who dare to do so will not only be killed but also will be tortured/ beheaded/etc. lol
do you know any bands with anti-islamic lyrics? i'm eagerly looking for them.

I have seen logos on the back of Zyklon records (I think it was "Disintegrate" although I am not sure offhand) which includes logos of all the world's three major religions with the Circle/Slash "anti" logo around them, accompanied by the text "religion destroys lives" or something to that effect.

Burning churches is just a pointless act. It makes the Christians more proud to be who they are because they're being persecuted and feel then like they're martyrs of some kind. It's simply pointless....

Having a conversation with a few of them however might allow a small mind fuck in which they question their beliefs and in turn, existence. Some are just strictly set in their ways and refuse to change regardless.

"I'm right, you're wrong" is an endless battle. The people who are still around from the early scene have finally gotten older and no longer use such methods.

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 29.07.2008 at 23:04

yeah...but is there any anti-judaism bands? they must have the guts too cos they will be labeled Nazi !!
but still islam is the hardest one to write lyrics against, cos the ppl who dare to do so will not only be killed but also will be tortured/ beheaded/etc. lol
do you know any bands with anti-islamic lyrics? i'm eagerly looking for them.

The only explicitly anit-Islamic band I know is a lebanese band called Damaar, but they've moved to another country because of ostracization haha. Besides that, Arallu, an Israeli band has some anti Islamic imagry, but nothing that substantial. The funny thing about Israeli bands, that even if they're anti-religious they still remain devout to their jewish roots. Maybe they won't be that explicit though when dismissing other religions... tough call.

Written by Damnated on 30.07.2008 at 01:34

but what if you destroy the cave .. ?

i personally think the 'cave' is the psychological need for religion.. and that would be quite hard to tear down now would it?

Written by Damnated on 30.07.2008 at 01:34

exactly. but how do you fight the shadow? you can't. you can't convince people that you are right and they are wrong. think of god as an axiome. how can you disprove an axiome?
but what if you destroy the cave .. ?

the cave must be destroyed too, but the concept must be vanished first, IMO.
by destroying the cave while ppl still believe in that shadow, you just make 'em stronger in their belief, simply cos you treathen 'em, frighten 'em and so on.
imagine there's no holy place in the whole fuckin world, will pll stop looking for a higher power? i don't think so.
maybe you can't prove there's no god but you can prove that all current god(s) ppl believe in don't exist.
for example Allah & Judeo-christian-God are both claimed to be Omniscient/Omnipotent/free-willed, you can simply prove that the idea of a being who has those attributes at the same time is illogical.
you can prove their God is not all-good nor loving.
you can trap them with a little philosophy, ask them one one the famouse paradoxical question regarding to God, such as: can your God surprize Himself?
they have nothing to say, their BEST answer would be:
-God can, but won't. He doesn't have to do anything you ask.
-God's power is only applied to logically possible things.

it's not just the ordinary believers but also their masterminds actually have no practical answer.
see how weak-minded believers' reasons are...

Written by Valentin B on 30.07.2008 at 18:18

i personally think the 'cave' is the psychological need for religion.. and that would be quite hard to tear down now would it?

i think that "psychological need" is closer to "the shadow".

Written by Sunioj on 30.07.2008 at 18:00

The only explicitly anit-Islamic band I know is a lebanese band called Damaar, but they've moved to another country because of ostracization haha. Besides that, Arallu, an Israeli band has some anti Islamic imagry, but nothing that substantial. The funny thing about Israeli bands, that even if they're anti-religious they still remain devout to their jewish roots. Maybe they won't be that explicit though when dismissing other religions... tough call.

thanX man. i'm gonna check them as soon as possible.

Written by BitterCOld on 30.07.2008 at 02:20

I have seen logos on the back of Zyklon records (I think it was "Disintegrate" although I am not sure offhand) which includes logos of all the world's three major religions with the Circle/Slash "anti" logo around them, accompanied by the text "religion destroys lives" or something to that effect.

i'm not familiar enough with this band but what i know about their lyrical content is that they mostly criticise the genereal concept of gods/relligions not specific ones and in some lyrics christainity_ such as "2000 years".
none of the covers of these albums have such a logo:
Disintegrate,Storm Detonation Live,Aeon,Zyklon/Red Harvest,World ov Worms.

thanX anyway.

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 29.07.2008 at 23:04
yeah...but is there any anti-judaism bands?

Grand Belial's Key.

So loaded with justified guilt is the soul of the Yisrealites
That only the sacrifice of a cow may save them

Miasmic ritual of the Levi tribes
Opens the gate to a bygone era
Labor camp vultures plan to topple
The Dome of the Rock

Bring forth the Red Heifer upon which never came yoke
To be murdered on its third year
Avenging the Temple's demolition
...
Hyssop and scarlet ruin the air
Four legged messiah, color of rust
Its blood, skin, flesh and dung
To burneth before the impure
Levitical dogs cleanse themselves
Beneath a torrential storm of piss

Oh, no! The tabernacle sprinkled with its ashes

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 29.07.2008 at 23:04
do you know any bands with anti-islamic lyrics? i'm eagerly looking for them.

The Monolith Deathcult.

They conspire in their caves in their envious world of emptiness
Preparing for Jihad to obey their desert god
They murder for belief to deflower 70 virgins
These "brave" Mudjahedeen brought Gaza in darknesss
Their God is a worm baptised in the blood of the prophet
On the hills of mount Sinai we meet in Armageddon
The laws of the Sharia will not impress upon us
Your holy army, blotted out, pounded into sand
In the napalm sea, the suns of Ismael bathe in flames
Is this the prophet's breed? Headless corpses return to dust
They have defiled our graves, their punishment will be endless
Our blistering napalm rain wipes them from the face of the earth
We desecrate the black stone
Slayer of Jihad
We do not obey their wretched desert God
We are impure
We are unrepentant, your final blasphemers
We distort your image of God
The walls of Jericho will fall again
We root out the seeds of the Mudjahedeen
The golden dome shall return to sand
"The blood of your forefathers shall be shed on mount Arafat
The bastard sons of Abraham shall never rise up again"
The laws of the Sharia will not impress upon us
Your holy army, blotted out pounded into sand
The pest of Arabia shall not overwhelm us
Their lustful prophet desecrates the innocent virginal skin
In my dreams I go back to the forest of flesh
Where the Ottomans lay slain before the cathedral of death
The sacred black stone, the black seeds of Jihad
We blaspheme in the presence of their backward desert God
Impalement is delightful, let us urinate on foes
We hammer the stake through the back of their throats
Face the flesh horizon, destructor, misantrophe
The corpses of the impaled Turks penetrate your hopes
They have defiled our graves, their punishment will be endless
Our blistering napalm rain wipes them from the face of the earth
We desecrate the black stone
Slayer of Jihad

Hehe, I actually covered most of this in my degree project about Black Metal (even got an A). Still feels like I haven't much to say.

OMFG!! i wanna listen to this song and headbang to it till i pass out...
but seriously i love these lines, they are very...uhmm...expressive:

Preparing for Jihad to obey their desert god
They murder for belief to deflower 70 virgins
The laws of the Sharia will not impress upon us
We do not obey their wretched desert God
We are unrepentant, your final blasphemers
We distort your image of God
We root out the seeds of the Mudjahedeen
The pest of Arabia shall not overwhelm us
Their lustful prophet desecrates the innocent virginal skin


thanX for those lyrics totaliteraliter.

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Written by AiwiAstwihad on 29.07.2008 at 23:04
do you know any bands with anti-islamic lyrics? i'm eagerly looking for them.

The Monolith Deathcult.

They conspire in their caves in their envious world of emptiness
Preparing for Jihad to obey their desert god
They murder for belief to deflower 70 virgins
These "brave" Mudjahedeen brought Gaza in darknesss
Their God is a worm baptised in the blood of the prophet
On the hills of mount Sinai we meet in Armageddon
The laws of the Sharia will not impress upon us
Your holy army, blotted out, pounded into sand
In the napalm sea, the suns of Ismael bathe in flames
Is this the prophet's breed? Headless corpses return to dust
They have defiled our graves, their punishment will be endless
Our blistering napalm rain wipes them from the face of the earth
We desecrate the black stone
Slayer of Jihad
We do not obey their wretched desert God
We are impure
We are unrepentant, your final blasphemers
We distort your image of God
The walls of Jericho will fall again
We root out the seeds of the Mudjahedeen
The golden dome shall return to sand
"The blood of your forefathers shall be shed on mount Arafat
The bastard sons of Abraham shall never rise up again"
The laws of the Sharia will not impress upon us
Your holy army, blotted out pounded into sand
The pest of Arabia shall not overwhelm us
Their lustful prophet desecrates the innocent virginal skin
In my dreams I go back to the forest of flesh
Where the Ottomans lay slain before the cathedral of death
The sacred black stone, the black seeds of Jihad
We blaspheme in the presence of their backward desert God
Impalement is delightful, let us urinate on foes
We hammer the stake through the back of their throats
Face the flesh horizon, destructor, misantrophe
The corpses of the impaled Turks penetrate your hopes
They have defiled our graves, their punishment will be endless
Our blistering napalm rain wipes them from the face of the earth
We desecrate the black stone
Slayer of Jihad

that black seed of jihad is the same infamous Hajar-al-asvad!!! thats funny

I don't understand how any europeans can really be very anti-christian. We live in a secular society where church is seperated from state so what's the problem? Most of the anti-christian rhetoric I read on forums is concerned with the power of the church and the oppression of science and nay-sayers (hundreds of years ago - not relevant today), single examples of religious nuts (single examples of nutters from a wide spectrum of different people and different attitudes) or the perceived notion that they are wrong and we must prove this. We can't say whether or not god exists in some abstract concept yet it's atheists, not those crazy christians, trying to prove otherwise.

Very few people take the bible at face value. The stories in the bible are philosophical teachings. I can't really imagine many christians trying to convince others that the world was created in 6 days. It's actually atheists that seem to believe the bible should be taken at face value. On numerous occasions I've seen people trying to discredit religion by trying to explain that these fictional stories didn't happen.

Christianity does seem to have some effect on society in America but why do Europeans care about that when few seem to care about politics at all? You don't have to browse metal forums for long to realise that most of these people that are strongly anti-christian are actually politically ignorant and apathetic. So, rather than there being any logic behind it, would it be a fair conclusion to say that extreme metal fans become anti-christian because they are naive knee-jerk reactionists that fall for any rhetoric providing the people around them are just as silly, and their views won't be too controversial?

I fell for this crap too but I thought about it and realised it's all a bit imaginary. I'm just thinking aloud here. I'm not really concerned with politics either.

Written by -tom- on 23.10.2008 at 20:33
The stories in the bible are philosophical teachings.

That's the focus in metal... Christianity teaches a slave ideology, metal is often against not only this but also the apathetic tolerance of it. You see something you don't like, you attack it. It's the militant atheists and secular humanists that tend to get caught up with creationism and biblical literalism and all that stuff, not the metalheads per se. The stuff you're talking about is more common on skeptic boards than metal ones, if you want to see anti-religion go to a forum like JREF.

What makes christianity a "slave ideology"?

Written by -tom- on 24.10.2008 at 01:17
What makes christianity a "slave ideology"?

Well, put briefly, you have a master and if you don't obey him you are punished. That's the gist of it.

Written by Damnated on 30.07.2008 at 01:34

but what if you destroy the cave .. ?

then that's fascism and relligion racism and intolerance. what's your problem if someone wants to believe in something? he doesn't bother you, why bother him?

Written by iaberis on 24.10.2008 at 05:12

Written by Damnated on 30.07.2008 at 01:34

but what if you destroy the cave .. ?

then that's fascism and relligion racism and intolerance. what's your problem if someone wants to believe in something? he doesn't bother you, why bother him?

Good post, but whatif we destroy pagan holy treas my house need new roof some pagan 1000 oak can be good

Written by iaberis on 24.10.2008 at 05:12

Written by Damnated on 30.07.2008 at 01:34

but what if you destroy the cave .. ?

then that's fascism and relligion racism and intolerance. what's your problem if someone wants to believe in something? he doesn't bother you, why bother him?

if you want to have an imaginary friend, be my guest. but i don't see how is this relevant to this topic or to me.

@ K7
Christians need no more destructions/burnings, they've already burnt enough, not only places but also ppl...

Written by AiwiAstwihad on 24.10.2008 at 14:39

@ K7
Christians need no more destructions/burnings, they've already burnt enough, not only places but also ppl...

But in 21th century such thinks dont heppened so we live in civilazed world, sometimes its more barvaric like barbaic days

Written by totaliteraliter on 24.10.2008 at 04:23

Written by -tom- on 24.10.2008 at 01:17
What makes christianity a "slave ideology"?

Well, put briefly, you have a master and if you don't obey him you are punished. That's the gist of it.

I guess we're all slaves then. If you don't obey the law, you get punished.

I think the bible merely offers moral guidance rather than creates a fear of doing wrong.

Written by Damnated on 24.10.2008 at 14:13

Written by iaberis on 24.10.2008 at 05:12

then that's fascism and relligion racism and intolerance. what's your problem if someone wants to believe in something? he doesn't bother you, why bother him?

if you want to have an imaginary friend, be my guest. but i don't see how is this relevant to this topic or to me.

because the topic is about intolerance of religion so why should you care what others believe if it has no effect on you?

Written by -tom- on 24.10.2008 at 16:34

Written by totaliteraliter on 24.10.2008 at 04:23

Written by -tom- on 24.10.2008 at 01:17
What makes christianity a "slave ideology"?

Well, put briefly, you have a master and if you don't obey him you are punished. That's the gist of it.

I guess we're all slaves then. If you don't obey the law, you get punished.

I think the bible merely offers moral guidance rather than creates a fear of doing wrong.

The comparison to the law of man is predictable but inadequate. If you don't care for the laws of your nation you can disobey them and have a chance of getting away through fortune or cunning, you can move somewhere else, you can vote against laws or run for office yourself to have them changed, you can start an armed rebellion and seize control, etc. If you don't care for the laws of the Christian god you can't do anything about it. Obey or be punished, there is no element of choice or freedom.

Of course the bible creates other motivations for obedience, but saying it "merely" offers guidance is a bit absurd when it holds the gun of eternal damnation to your head. Recall the proper Christian attitude described in Luke 17:10, "So you too, when you do all the things which are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy slaves; we have done only that which we ought to have done.'"

Written by -tom- on 24.10.2008 at 16:34

because the topic is about intolerance of religion so why should you care what others believe if it has no effect on you?

faith doesn't bother me. religion does.

Written by Damnated on 25.10.2008 at 12:11

Written by -tom- on 24.10.2008 at 16:34

because the topic is about intolerance of religion so why should you care what others believe if it has no effect on you?

faith doesn't bother me. religion does.

and the church is a way to express your faith, not all people can pray along, some need a place to

Written by iaberis on 27.10.2008 at 15:21

the church is a way to express your faith

exactly, a big church means that the people who built it have a lot of faith.

Written by Damnated on 27.10.2008 at 18:57

Written by iaberis on 27.10.2008 at 15:21

the church is a way to express your faith

exactly, a big church means that the people who built it have a lot of faith.

have you eve rtry burn one, or have you ever damiged graves, church yards or something holy?
Are there church burning in Romania

Written by Bad English on 27.10.2008 at 18:58

have you eve rtry burn one, or have you ever damiged graves, church yards or something holy?
Are there church burning in Romania

i know a guy who used to desecrate graves every once in a while, after he drank a couple of shots of vodka, but that's the most extreme thing that happened around here. i never did anything like that though.
romanians are usually very religious, so church burnings don't really happen.

Written by Damnated on 27.10.2008 at 19:42

Written by Bad English on 27.10.2008 at 18:58

have you eve rtry burn one, or have you ever damiged graves, church yards or something holy?
Are there church burning in Romania

i know a guy who used to desecrate graves every once in a while, after he drank a couple of shots of vodka, but that's the most extreme thing that happened around here. i never did anything like that though.
romanians are usually very religious, so church burnings don't really happen.

I know in Romania is not big metal bands fiew Labyrint Of Abys, Spere Noctis, Vieftava, thoise I have, but how metal society acts I mean think about churvh burning

Moust what hepen here(not Swe) are damige church and steel thinks like icons and something where you can get money from selling it

My ''friend'' one stool song book from churvh, but in those days we doidnt know nothing about metal We had maybe 9-11

Lats church ''burning'' here was at war time

There's something called "Law of the country" which is the most dominating force in any community, Christianity is a religion and every person has the right to be a christian or whatever he wants, so when someone wanna be an Anti-Christian he should be respectable not an abuser looking only for cursing and burning, so when an individual become an abuser for any religion he'll be facing a lawsuit [especially If he messed up with his behavior] ,so Extreme bands are not serious at all, cuz If they were serious they would be facing the law, so it's all about "Shock Value" and I once read an interview with the guitarist of Cradle of Filth and he said "People doesn't have take all of our lyrics seriously" so Extreme stuff as I believe is meaningless in lyrics. And some people take the whole Black Metal scene too serious as for guys becomes a real satanists (not like BM bands which appears to be satanists in name only) they start taking drugs and abuse animals (of course that's so rare to happen) but whenever something like that happens, the people whom is responsible will be punished by the laws, there is a lot of bands make "Anti Religion" albums with effecting lyrics with reasons with realistic stuff, with a point of view not just stupid reverted crosses and pentagrams, I recommend Arch Enemy for anyone who wants anti religion stuff and for anyone who's convinced that religion is not the right way in life.

Written by The Night Wisher on 22.08.2009 at 17:28

There's something called "Law of the country" which is the most dominating force in any community, Christianity is a religion and every person has the right to be a christian or whatever he wants, so when someone wanna be an Anti-Christian he should be respectable not an abuser looking only for cursing and burning, so when an individual become an abuser for any religion he'll be facing a lawsuit [especially If he messed up with his behavior] ,so Extreme bands are not serious at all, cuz If they were serious they would be facing the law, so it's all about "Shock Value" and I once read an interview with the guitarist of Cradle of Filth and he said "People doesn't have take all of our lyrics seriously" so Extreme stuff as I believe is meaningless in lyrics. And some people take the whole Black Metal scene too serious as for guys becomes a real satanists (not like BM bands which appears to be satanists in name only) they start taking drugs and abuse animals (of course that's so rare to happen) but whenever something like that happens, the people whom is responsible will be punished by the laws, there is a lot of bands make "Anti Religion" albums with effecting lyrics with reasons with realistic stuff, with a point of view not just stupid reverted crosses and pentagrams, I recommend Arch Enemy for anyone who wants anti religion stuff and for anyone who's convinced that religion is not the right way in life.

Good posts and I agree whit you but church n law is strongm if someone beat bla bla person in bar non cares, if someone burn church all world talk, personaly I think footbvall hollifganism is better how burn churches, but somehow fore all BM be better if Varg geth death penalty for murder un burn or etleast life , in USA he get ir or life but arryan brotherhood deal whit it like they didnt protect Charles Menson