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21.12.2020 - 14:22Rating: 6
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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I like 2 guitar idea, can compose and are better chances fix good music, 1 guitar band somehow cant do much, Raven, Anvil, even motorhead needet one more, to mix better riffs, meliodies. 80's and youth worked fine, but to me this is better as what band did in 90's n 00's
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6061 |
Written by RaduP on 21.12.2020 at 14:22
*grabs popcorn*
I don't think many people will rush in to defend this turd. It would take a completely infatuated, deaf fanboy to sing praise for this album.
Sodom is the European equivalent of Testament - one of the most overrated classic thrash bands. Mind you, I used to be a huge fan of Sodom, but it was ages ago. After "Better Off Dead" they never released a really great album. And even before that, there were only two really good releases: "Persecution Mania" and "Agent Orange", of which I like the former much better. What put me off about "Agent Orange" was its obvious fascination with American thrash. Still, I like this album alot. "Persecution Mania" is Sodom's best, also because they were trying to do their own thing, without looking up to 'Murica.
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21.12.2020 - 15:32Rating: 6
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Written by Daniell on 21.12.2020 at 15:24
I don't think many people will rush in to defend this turd. It would take a completely infatuated, deaf fanboy to sing praise for this album.
This was our highest rated album for 2020 for a while. It's still in a pretty good position with about 150 votes. I'm fairly sure people like this album.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7046 |
I'd be happy to hear any counter-arguments.
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TheDarkWizard
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21.12.2020 - 15:52Rating: 9
Love this album
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Hyamendacil1450
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21.12.2020 - 15:54Rating: 5
Written by Daniell on 21.12.2020 at 15:24
I don't think many people will rush in to defend this turd. It would take a completely infatuated, deaf fanboy to sing praise for this album.
Sodom is the European equivalent of Testament - one of the most overrated classic thrash bands. Mind you, I used to be a huge fan of Sodom, but it was ages ago. After "Better Off Dead" they never released a really great album. And even before that, there were only two really good releases: "Persecution Mania" and "Agent Orange", of which I like the former much better. What put me off about "Agent Orange" was its obvious fascination with American thrash. Still, I like this album alot. "Persecution Mania" is Sodom's best, also because they were trying to do their own thing, without looking up to 'Murica.
Implying that Better off Dead was anything great. It was not. Persecution Mania and to a lesser degree, Agent Orange were their best efforts. Their third best album was, ironically Code Red, but the album after it received critical acclaim by riding on its trail, despite the fact that the songwriting was weaker and the production wasn't as powerful.
I think people are also a bit hypocritical and overreacting with this album. It is played safe and feels very retro, very 80-ish. It caters to nostalgia, many tunes and riffs feel as if they were unearthed from 80s recording sessions. But then again Sodom has been releasing average albums for over 15 or 20 years, if not more (can't remember when Code Red was released) which mostly consisted of the odd good/great song, 2-3 more solid ones and the rest being filler tracks. The previous album was exactly the same. The one before it also, the same.
Another aspect is Tom's deteriorating vocal ability. The vocals sound weak and buried in the mix as well. The scream in track 6 is pitiful. Sodom should get a new vocalist. Not only Sodom has this problem, but also Kreator's Mille's vocals sound funny, almost as if he is witch in heat. Voivod's Snake is in the exact same situation.
This is hardly a turd though. Average, mediocre? Of course. Outright awful? Nah. There is FAR worse stuff out there. Compared to that, Sodom's new album is passable. Offers nothing new, but it ain't repulsive to the ear.
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KaninStryparn
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21.12.2020 - 16:40Rating: 9
To be honest, i haven't heard much of sodom before this album. But i like the album.
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21.12.2020 - 16:55Rating: 6
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Written by KaninStryparn on 21.12.2020 at 16:40
To be honest, i haven't heard much of sodom before this album. But i like the album.
You owe it to yourself to listen to In The Sign Of Evil, Persecution Mania and Agent Orange.
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KaninStryparn
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21.12.2020 - 17:06Rating: 9
Written by RaduP on 21.12.2020 at 16:55
Written by KaninStryparn on 21.12.2020 at 16:40
To be honest, i haven't heard much of sodom before this album. But i like the album.
You owe it to yourself to listen to In The Sign Of Evil, Persecution Mania and Agent Orange.
will do!
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AndreMarcos
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21.12.2020 - 17:10Rating: 6
Was anyone really expecting it to be Agent Orange 2.0?
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musclassia StaffPosts: 7041 |
21.12.2020 - 17:28Rating: 5
^nah, but I thought it might be a bit less boring than it was - In War And Pieces was only 10 years ago and is a lot better than this album
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Roman Doez Hallucigenia
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21.12.2020 - 17:29Rating: 4
Never liked Sodom, even their classic albums, this is just the final nail in the coffin for me
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Well, its not their best. I enjoyed a lot their previous ones. And i dont consider this band overrated!
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
21.12.2020 - 19:57Rating: 6
Haven't listened to this yet myself but you do a good job explaining the reasoning behind your low score so I think it's justified regardless of what my opinion will be.
You weren't nearly inflammatory enough to generate a war in the comments section, much to my chagrin. We need a little hate to counteract all that mushy love and affection in the anniversary article.
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sgtrobo
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21.12.2020 - 21:09Rating: 7
Damn, harsh!
I like the album, a solid 8/10 for me. I'd say they still are the best German thrash band primarily because Kreator has been so hit-or-miss.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7046 |
To avoid any misunderstandings, I love Sodom and consider them to be a great thrash band, one of my favourites even. The rating of this album and the review is based on the fact that I will never revisit it (I tried it already more than a dozen times and it was a chore every single time - I would not give so many chances to a band that I don't respect an awful lot). I might spin "Sodom & Gomorrah", the title track or "Friendly Fire" again in the future but that's about it. And even this is not very likely since I very rarely listen to individual songs, I don't really do playlists and predominantly listen to whole albums. Yes, I know I have a 2020 playlist in my signature but this is more a way for me to keep track of stuff regarding the MSAs and I also thought others might find it helpful to hear songs that I liked this year. I have never listened to it though, as a playlist. Now, I just reminded myself that I want to add "Friendly Fire" to it.
I would really like someone who enjoys this to tell me what it is exactly that they find enjoyable. It is obvious from the album's rating here that the majority's opinion is different to mine and I am curious about what it is that people find in it.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by nikarg on 21.12.2020 at 23:44
I would really like someone who enjoys this to tell me what it is exactly that they find enjoyable. It is obvious from the album's rating here that the majority's opinion is different to mine and I am curious about what it is that people find in it.
Its not as I enjoy it as old their old, but only fact I like is 2 guitars, because of there would be one, it would be million times worst. Somehow 2 guitars gave some variation in their sound, a bit rich, its like put meet on fire, or make marinade and spices and take beer.
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Written by Bad English on 22.12.2020 at 08:45
Its not as I enjoy it as old their old, but only fact I like is 2 guitars, because of there would be one, it would be million times worst. Somehow 2 guitars gave some variation in their sound, a bit rich, its like put meet on fire, or make marinade and spices and take beer.
Ok, I see what you are saying but I personally don't hear that richness. As I said in the review, there is nothing on the guitar front that is so exciting to justify having two guitar players. The riffs are largely derivative and some of the solos make Kerry King's solos sound like they were played by Malmsteen. And Tom himself said - when he announced the two guitar players - that the main reason for doing this was to have more options at live shows (which is bullcrap imo). Anyway, in the studio you can do whatever you want even with one guitarist, just look at all these one-man bands. Look at what the guy in Kvaen did, a band you recommended to me, one guitarist and he is absolutely killing it with the instrument. Now, that is rich, not the latest Sodom. It's not a matter of how many, it is a matter of who. At least that's what I think.
If you want a thrash example of just one guitarist doing wonders both technically and composition-wise, check out the next issue of Clandestine Cuts.
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Written by nikarg on 22.12.2020 at 09:39
Ok, I see what you are saying but I personally don't hear that richness. As I said in the review, there is nothing on the guitar front that is so exciting to justify having two guitar players. The riffs are largely derivative and some of the solos make Kerry King's solos sound like they were played by Malmsteen. And Tom himself said - when he announced the two guitar players - that the main reason for doing this was to have more options at live shows (which is bullcrap imo). Anyway, in the studio you can do whatever you want even with one guitarist, just look at all these one-man bands. Look at what the guy in Kvaen did, a band you recommended to me, one guitarist and he is absolutely killing it with the instrument. Now, that is rich, not the latest Sodom. It's not a matter of how many, it is a matter of who. At least that's what I think.
If you want a thrash example of just one guitarist doing wonders both technically and composition-wise, check out the next issue of Clandestine Cuts.
Well maybe if there would be one guitar player it would sound worst. After M16 this is best album, IMO, better as Desctruction anyway. But we cant compare this to 1992 Tapping The Vein and before, those were great. Somehow I liked M16 when it was out,
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22.12.2020 - 11:00Rating: 8
Written by Daniell on 21.12.2020 at 15:24
Written by RaduP on 21.12.2020 at 14:22
*grabs popcorn*
It would take a completely infatuated, deaf fanboy to sing praise for this album.
You rang?
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My two cents on this: thrash is nowadays a pretty stale genre, there's not much room for invention even in obscure thrash (Possessed/Dark Angel/Aura Noir/Usurper) or technical/progressive (Vektor/Nocturnus) sides of it. So, hoping for something revolutionary out of a modern thrash album is half way to disappointment. What can we wait from a good thrash album nowadays then? Simple: good catchy aggressive riff oriented songs.
Kreator is doing it extremely well, Testament is kind of doing it too. New acts like Power Trip were doing just that. Recent Aura Noir and Possessed albums are f*cking awesome.
Now, are Sodom doing it? Nah. Apart from the classic older stuff (first 3 albums, that is), I only like the self titled album, with City of God being a stand out song. But the remaning albums range from bad to average/listenable. On the later category i'd put M-16 and Decision Day.
This new album has a nice initial impact, but after a couple of listens it loses all interest. Sure, there's the aditional guitar and Waldo & Pigpen is actually catchy in it's silly chorus, but after 3 spins i have no desire whatsoever to return to listening the full thing. I find myself doing what i always do: save one or two good songs (Nicht Mehr Mein Land is my fav song in here) to my Sodom spotify playlist and forget about the whole album.
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22.12.2020 - 13:54Rating: 5
Written by Guest on 22.12.2020 at 11:37
My two cents on this: thrash is nowadays a pretty stale genre, there's not much room for invention even in obscure thrash (Possessed/Dark Angel/Aura Noir/Usurper) or technical/progressive (Vektor/Nocturnus) sides of it. So, hoping for something revolutionary out of a modern thrash album is half way to disappointment. What can we wait from a good thrash album nowadays then? Simple: good catchy aggressive riff oriented songs.
Kreator is doing it extremely well, Testament is kind of doing it too. New acts like Power Trip were doing just that. Recent Aura Noir and Possessed albums are f*cking awesome.
Now, are Sodom doing it? Nah. Apart from the classic older stuff (first 3 albums, that is), I only like the self titled album, with City of God being a stand out song. But the remaning albums range from bad to average/listenable. On the later category i'd put M-16 and Decision Day.
This new album has a nice initial impact, but after a couple of listens it loses all interest. Sure, there's the aditional guitar and Waldo & Pigpen is actually catchy in it's silly chorus, but after 3 spins i have no desire whatsoever to return to listening the full thing. I find myself doing what i always do: save one or two good songs (Nicht Mehr Mein Land is my fav song in here) to my Sodom spotify playlist and forget about the whole album.
Thrash has been stale for 2 decades, if not 3 if we refer to the 80s thrash bands only. Expecting anything of quality from the classic thrash bands is like hoping to find fish swimming in sand. There has been the odd good album coming up, such as Sodom's Code Red, but that is the exception. Personally I am more harsh on new, young thrash bands who shamelessly ape the oldies with no intention to refine or innovate. They are content with being cover bands essentially.
Kreator has devolved into a cheese-oriented power/thrash metal band. Which partly explains why the band has seen a popularity resurgence and is among the few thrash bands that tend to be liked by power metal fans. Their last 3 albums were stink-bombs. Testament is recycling their own brand of thrash but avoid the trappings of power metal. However, that doesn't say much. Their 2008 reunion album was decent, but what followed after that was a string of below average albums, full of fillers. The band is content to dish out albums without any sort of drive or plan to deliver a measure of quality. The only pro is that Chuck's vocals are never boring nor annoying. Whereas Mille's vocals have seriously devolved.
You pinpointed the only good song on this album though, Waldo & Pigpen is good stuff. The only tune worth listening here. There are 3 more sections with brief interesting sections (tracks 4-6), the rest is filler material. Anyway, how do you innovate thrash while confining yourself to its genre limitations? I don't know the answer. Neither do almost all old or new thrash bands.
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23.12.2020 - 03:09Rating: 7
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It's solid and works well enough for background music but it isn't exactly bursting with creativity/inspiration. To be honest the only "thrash metal" record I was really blown away by in the last couple of years was Paladin's record last year. But that's as much (extreme) power metal as it is thrash metal. At least thanks to that mix it was a pretty unique and varied experience. (Especially the vocal department was damn impressive).
Best thrash album I've heard this year is probably Schizoprenia's Voices. That was a really nice EP.
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Written by tominator on 23.12.2020 at 03:09
It's soild and works well enough for background music but it isn't exactly bursting with creativity/inspiration. To be honest the only "thrash metal" record I was really blown away by in the last couple of years was Paladin's record last year. But that's as much (extreme) power metal as it is thrash metal. At least thanks to that mix it was a pretty unique and varied experience. (Especially the vocal department was damn impressive).
Best thrash album I've heard this year is probably Schizoprenia's Voices. That was a really nice EP.
Yeah, that Paladin record was sweet and power-ful and this year's EP by Schizophrenia is strong, I love the Demolition Hammer influence on it. I also really liked Flotsam And Jetsam and Sacred Reich last year. Still listen to them.
Written by Guest on 22.12.2020 at 11:37
What can we wait from a good thrash album nowadays then? Simple: good catchy aggressive riff oriented songs.
Exactly.
Written by Hyamendacil1450 on 22.12.2020 at 13:54
Thrash has been stale for 2 decades, if not 3 if we refer to the 80s thrash bands only. Expecting anything of quality from the classic thrash bands is like hoping to find fish swimming in sand.
Thrash was stale already in the '80s imo. Very few bands stood out and had a unique sound of their own, the rest were just copycats riding on the bandwagon. Some of those copycats were amazing though.
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23.12.2020 - 08:55Rating: 7
They have a few good songs in this album, as mentioned by you. They should have selected only those songs and made a small 25 - 30 mins thrash album. Why make a full length when you don't have the material for it? I suppose there would be pressure from the record label.
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Written by tintinb on 23.12.2020 at 08:55
They have a few good songs in this album, as mentioned by you. They should have selected only those songs and made a small 25 - 30 mins thrash album. Why make a full length when you don't have the material for it? I suppose there would be pressure from the record label.
I couldn't agree more. Sacred Reich came back after 23 freaking years and what did they do? Did they release an hour-long album to fill the gap of all this absence? No. They kept only the good stuff, released a 30-minute album and the result was very, very good. Not all-killer, but definitely no-filler. It's exactly the same thing that Metallica should have done with Hardwired and there are hundreds more examples like that. I guess self-editing is not easy to do.
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Am i the only one that thinks Out Of The Frontline Trench (EP) is far better than Genesis XIX (Album)?
Quality of songs and production all together.
Genesis XIX 2019's version is better than 2020's version, change my mind,
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Written by TRB on 24.12.2020 at 09:13
Am i the only one that thinks Out Of The Frontline Trench (EP) is far better than Genesis XIX (Album)?
Quality of songs and production all together.
I don't know how an EP can be compared with an LP. But I would happily listen to the EP again (as opposed to the LP) even though this is mainly due to the fact that it has "Agent Orange" and "Bombenhagel" on it. The production on the EP is slightly grittier, less polished, and I prefer that too.
Written by TRB on 24.12.2020 at 09:13
Genesis XIX 2019's version is better than 2020's version, change my mind,
In what way? The only difference I hear is that the 2020 version takes longer to start, the rest is the same.
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JavierPaper
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27.12.2020 - 01:23Rating: 8
It isn't agent orange 2, but still being a good album, 8/10 for me
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