What do you think about the term "Sold Out"?
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Posted by selken, 19.08.2007 - 06:06
We must keep in mind that many musicians have the music as their jobs, and thus, this is the way for them to put food on their tables, so we must consider why a band sometimes really NEEDS commercial success, I know this is not an excuse (read about Therion), but we must stay in the artists shoes to know what is really happening.
IMO, I don't like the term, for me, Metallica is the only "sold out" band, because of the Napster issue, i mean, they are millionaires, and were so at the time of the Napster issue and blah, blah, blah..... you know the rest.
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| Boxcar Willy yr a kook Posts: 8978 From: Canada  |
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| Unhealer Eclecticist Posts: 2311 From: Argentina  |
I think the term is overused and not correctly applied sometimes. Like calling Opeth's latest effort as "selling out". Sometimes bands just want a change in their style and they happen to reach a wider audience. And well, if a band wants to go mainstream and starts going for a more mainstream approach just for the money I guess it's alright in a certain aspect. Those guys probably grew up, had a family and need it for a living. I think that is better than to see them disband. It's not like the older cds are going to vanish from existence, and they'll keep playing older songs live.
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| Sentinel65 Posts: 208 From: USA  |
Written by Unhealer on 29.02.2012 at 05:40 This is what I was just going to say. If you dislike the bands new direction, don't listen to it, if you actually liked the band you would give them breathing room and allow them to experiment as they please. Don't get me wrong, Metallica & Lou Reed is utter shit, and i hate the album, but I don't call Metallica "sell outs", and even though Loutallica is awful, I can still respect them for doing what they want to creatively.
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| mojo Posts: 93 From: UK  |
"Sold Out", to me, just means a band or artist doing anything solely and specifically to make more money than they already do, rather than because their inspiration and creativity takes them there. It could be a change of sound, look or label, firing or recruiting members, or doing commercials. Whether anyone minds is entirely up to them and their attitude to integrity. If it's a band who never made any bones about wanting to be rich and famous then whatever - I might not be a big fan anyway. But if it's people who've always made a lot of their own integrity (in some way or another) then I'd feel disappointed, I guess. Personally, I hate seeing musicians / performers (or anyone else, for that matter) I thought I respected for their uncompromising vision or attitude, compromising for cash. But there you go. Maybe I'm (jeez, no!) old-fashioned, heh...
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| Thrash83 Posts: 17 From: USA  |
I just hate the fact that when a band has been deemed to have "sold out" they are automatically deemed crap. Metallica's album "Load" for example. I really love that album, but most metalheads will call it shit just because it isn't metal. That's another factor in this, the tendency for a lot of metalheads to be closed minded towards most stuff that isn't metal.
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| PiercingMetal Posts: 138 From: USA  |
As I have observed it, when bands are labelled as "selling out", this generally starts from the long supporting fans who feel that "their band" is no longer their own and now belongs to a larger populace. I remember when "Master Of Puppets" came out, and only Metalheads were listening to them, and yet several years later with the "Black" album, one would find the guido types cruising in their Daddylacs up and down the avenue blasting "Enter Sandman" or "Everywhere I Roam". It was bothersome to have "that kind" suddenly appreciating Metal to us long time fans of the day and then you heard the band had sold out. I just used Metallica as an example since they are always tossed into this mix. I was once a musician myself and if selling out meant that I would be able to pay my bills and eat for another day then so be it. The music geography changes far too dramatically to let bands sit on one sound and one core audience. Just my three cents.
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| Nosurper Stinky Lips Posts: 442 From: USA  |
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| vezzy Stallmanite Posts: 3493 From: Bulgaria  |
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| Spirit Molecule spirit molecule Posts: 1918 From: India  |
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| Nosurper Stinky Lips Posts: 442 From: USA |
Written by vezzy on 28.03.2012 at 09:19  Splendiferous. You know, it was a lot like this  . But, really, the credit goes to Devin in the sig box; whom, without thoust wise words, thine undertaking hast kaput. Und eine frau und flee das realmgehbergen, YA 
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| Nosurper Stinky Lips Posts: 442 From: USA |
Written by Spirit Molecule on 28.03.2012 at 09:49 Because I deserved it a second time. Watsup
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| Cynic Metalhead Paisa Vich Nasha Posts: 6809 From: India  |
Tbh Sold Out= everything related to that "thing" is been sold off completely as easy as possible.
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| Nosurper Stinky Lips Posts: 442 From: USA |
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 28.03.2012 at 18:07 Or this, well put
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| GoldenGod2112 Posts: 41 From: USA  |
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| Monolithic ♠♠♠ Posts: 668 From: UAE  |
A slightly overused term, and does not necessarily represent the quality of the music.
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| Dinruth Posts: 419 From: Austria |
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| Capt. Fluntas Posts: 38 From: Lithuania  |
I find it very disappointing when bands sell out, because, from a selfish perspective  , I would like a band to keep on releasing amazing albums, if they're capable of doing so, because sometimes 1 or 2 masterpieces is just not enough...Realistically though, it's up to the bands themselves to decide what direction they want to take, we don't know what we would do in their situation  But hey, money is pretty tempting sometimes 
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| squidrick420 Posts: 187 From: USA  |
To me a sell-out is somebody who is willing to forsake their own principals in order to gain large amounts of wealth. It is a simple concept, commercial success does not mean your a sell-out, however being the record company's bitch and doing whatever they want you to is.
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| Sinnercist Posts: 40 From: USA  |
Seems to me the term means nothing more than the marketability of a band. Now, if you are a newly signed band, it probably means that you are the record label's bitch and they pull your leash so your music freedom will probably suffer (unless your music was already widely receptable before managerial mingling). If you are an old band who has lost its allure with the new, younger and more impressionable audience you probably will try to find new ways (ie: exploring or switching genre) to retain them. Unfortunately this comes at the expense of old fans complaining. At the end of the day, if your band is your main career then selling out (from monetary perspectives) is really not that bad. BUT if you want to retain musical integrity, then you're more likely die as a starving and unnoticed artist only to be discovered years post mortem. The days of pure talent being marketable unhindered are long gone.
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| whatsacow Posts: 2075 From: Australia  |
It depends. I find a lot of people will attack a band if it gets popular, regardless of whether they changed or not. An example of this would be Opeth. They have in no way changed their style to appeal to a mainstream audience, and yet they still get ostracised for selling out. I think a lot of it has to do with the possessive nature of fans, that they found a band by looking for them, and then all of a sudden everyone likes them and they aren't special anymore. It's entitled and quite pathetic really.
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| theFIST Posts: 1061 From: Austria  |
Written by Sinnercist on 14.02.2013 at 08:41 you think such days existed?
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662 From: Czech Republic  |
I dont care if the band is "sold out" or not...i only care if i like the music or not...eg. i like Sabaton no matter how objectively "bad" they are, i dont like (maybe even hate) "new" Metallica...i should say - both is sellout - both sucks...but i dont...
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| Sinnercist Posts: 40 From: USA |
Written by theFIST on 19.02.2013 at 16:27 yes they did... before the internet and mass marketing.
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| theFIST Posts: 1061 From: Austria |
Written by Sinnercist on 19.02.2013 at 20:21 back then the labels and radio stations were controlling what got released unless the band members put in the money for vinyl or tape production, now with the internet there is finally an affordable way of independently releasing a time in which anyone can put out stuff and customers select by the talent and quality out of everything that exists might be a hope for the future, but it was not a possibility of the past
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| Sinnercist Posts: 40 From: USA |
Written by theFIST on 19.02.2013 at 20:57 I'm talking about pre-labels. Labels became a marketing organization once investors figured out "hey we can bottle this and sell it" before this, musicians had to find sponsors and market themselves individually. This usually hinged on their ability to fill a venue. Before recording equipment this meant your talent and reputation had to precede you which meant it had to linger in someones mind for longer than what your composition initial took. Then again, I digress. Technically most musician given talent alone can "sell out" even without involvement of record labels but that takes amazing organization skills (which most lack), networking skills, self promotion skills and some dable in publicizing.
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